Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Remarkable that there were no leaks about this.

And Trump was the one who got the word out. So, he must be running scared and is trying to whip up everyone to come to his defense. (And even his most ardent supporters must be getting tired of defending him.).

It seems unlikely that this is “just” that he packed up classified docs when he left the White House because then surely he would have just handed them back. Why save classified docs??

They've already retrieved/he's already handed back many boxes of classified docs over the past few months. But apparently there were more that they wanted, or wanted to make sure that he had, or hadn't given away.

The GSA packed boxes marked classified and shipped them to Mar a Lago. Trump did not pack them or order them packed. White House Counsel also didn’t declassify the material in the boxes when Trump told them to (The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings) NARA then deliberately identified them as classified to the media, when in truth, the FBI has had access to these documents for months. Remember, the president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government and he exercised that right. The media then put out to the public that Trump 'stole' classified information to justify a raid on Mar A Lago. That's it in a nutshell. There is documented evidence of GSA packing the boxes and a paper trail showing WH Counsel did not declassify. In addition: NARA is only temporary custodian of a president's old White House archives until all those records are transferred back to president, once his presidential library is built. All the classified papers are returned to the former president. So why were the papers shipped to Mar-A-Lago by GSA in the first place? You can't tell me that the GSA didn't know their job? Please!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remarkable that there were no leaks about this.

And Trump was the one who got the word out. So, he must be running scared and is trying to whip up everyone to come to his defense. (And even his most ardent supporters must be getting tired of defending him.).

It seems unlikely that this is “just” that he packed up classified docs when he left the White House because then surely he would have just handed them back. Why save classified docs??

They've already retrieved/he's already handed back many boxes of classified docs over the past few months. But apparently there were more that they wanted, or wanted to make sure that he had, or hadn't given away.

The GSA packed boxes marked classified and shipped them to Mar a Lago. Trump did not pack them or order them packed. White House Counsel also didn’t declassify the material in the boxes when Trump told them to (The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings) NARA then deliberately identified them as classified to the media, when in truth, the FBI has had access to these documents for months. Remember, the president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government and he exercised that right. The media then put out to the public that Trump 'stole' classified information to justify a raid on Mar A Lago. That's it in a nutshell. There is documented evidence of GSA packing the boxes and a paper trail showing WH Counsel did not declassify. In addition: NARA is only temporary custodian of a president's old White House archives until all those records are transferred back to president, once his presidential library is built. All the classified papers are returned to the former president. So why were the papers shipped to Mar-A-Lago by GSA in the first place? You can't tell me that the GSA didn't know their job? Please!

Didn't Trump order the GSA to not cooperate with Biden's incoming team?

Now you are saying that the GSA had it in for him?

Please!

And if what you say is true about the GSA, I'm pretty sure that Trump would've blamed the GSA from the get go. He has zero problems blaming others for his stupidity. That's the way he operates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

and actually, a legiimiate democracy should root out corrupt officials and indict criminals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Indeed.. Trump wanted to prosecute his political rivals, and turned his base on them.

"Lock her up!", or now "Lock him up!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

This is why it is important to elect people who have our national interests at heart, regardless of party.

This is ALL on the GOP.

In my opinion, Top Secret Clearance should be a qualifying requirement for every presidential candidate. We cannot guarantee national interest from a compromised individual. How do we ensure a candidate is not compromised before any voting starts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remarkable that there were no leaks about this.

And Trump was the one who got the word out. So, he must be running scared and is trying to whip up everyone to come to his defense. (And even his most ardent supporters must be getting tired of defending him.).

It seems unlikely that this is “just” that he packed up classified docs when he left the White House because then surely he would have just handed them back. Why save classified docs??

They've already retrieved/he's already handed back many boxes of classified docs over the past few months. But apparently there were more that they wanted, or wanted to make sure that he had, or hadn't given away.

The GSA packed boxes marked classified and shipped them to Mar a Lago. Trump did not pack them or order them packed. White House Counsel also didn’t declassify the material in the boxes when Trump told them to (The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings) NARA then deliberately identified them as classified to the media, when in truth, the FBI has had access to these documents for months. Remember, the president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government and he exercised that right. The media then put out to the public that Trump 'stole' classified information to justify a raid on Mar A Lago. That's it in a nutshell. There is documented evidence of GSA packing the boxes and a paper trail showing WH Counsel did not declassify. In addition: NARA is only temporary custodian of a president's old White House archives until all those records are transferred back to president, once his presidential library is built. All the classified papers are returned to the former president. So why were the papers shipped to Mar-A-Lago by GSA in the first place? You can't tell me that the GSA didn't know their job? Please!

You seem to have a lot of knowledge. Where is the source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

This is why it is important to elect people who have our national interests at heart, regardless of party.

This is ALL on the GOP.

In my opinion, Top Secret Clearance should be a qualifying requirement for every presidential candidate. We cannot guarantee national interest from a compromised individual. How do we ensure a candidate is not compromised before any voting starts?

1000%

[Anonymous]

The FBI would not execute a warrant on a former President unless it was really serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

This is why it is important to elect people who have our national interests at heart, regardless of party.

This is ALL on the GOP.

x1 million

GOP = party over country = traitors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe how Republicans are still defending this treasonous man who was our president! He has made our country unsafe. He cow towed to Putin (how can we forget Helsinki when he sided with Putin over our own national security) and kissed North Korea's ass. If a Democrat had done this I would be up in arms. I am a staunch Democrat but I am a patriot before party.

And everybody who saying this would not happen to a Democrat this is some sort of witchhunt on Trump, what about the fact that there was an investigation on Hillary Clinton two weeks before an election? And I need to remind everybody that the head of the FBI is a trump appointee. The judge who signed the warrant is more than likely also a trump appointee and that's why he's not showing the warrant with the judges name.

It's truly mind blowing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

This is why it is important to elect people who have our national interests at heart, regardless of party.

This is ALL on the GOP.

In my opinion, Top Secret Clearance should be a qualifying requirement for every presidential candidate. We cannot guarantee national interest from a compromised individual. How do we ensure a candidate is not compromised before any voting starts?

The country used to be smart enough to avoid nominating let alone voting for compromised individuals. A whiff of it would have been enough to turn the public against you. Not now. Too many people thinking they were being so smart putting Trump in office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

This is why it is important to elect people who have our national interests at heart, regardless of party.

This is ALL on the GOP.

In my opinion, Top Secret Clearance should be a qualifying requirement for every presidential candidate. We cannot guarantee national interest from a compromised individual. How do we ensure a candidate is not compromised before any voting starts?

The country used to be smart enough to avoid nominating let alone voting for compromised individuals. A whiff of it would have been enough to turn the public against you. Not now. Too many people thinking they were being so smart putting Trump in office.

That’s the GOP for you. No matter how bad the previous one was, they’ll find someone worse next time and be even stronger in their devotion to him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

+1

This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

According to reports, the Archives was concerned about the nature and subject of missing documents that were so sensitiive that they could not be itemized in the warrant. This isn't a fishing expedition, that isn't how the warrants work. Stop watching Fox.

Really now?

Yes, the reports really say that.

Wow, she has such credentials!

What are yours?

The GOP is freaking out before they have all the information. This is exactly what they do to bills. They vote everything down before reading and having all the information. Something like 23 FBI agents participated in the search. They have a duty to refuse illegal orders. I’ve known many agents and am pretty sure all of them are conservative. That tells me there is something justified in the search warrant. Wait for more information before calling for sedition as one FL state lawmaker has.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remarkable that there were no leaks about this.

And Trump was the one who got the word out. So, he must be running scared and is trying to whip up everyone to come to his defense. (And even his most ardent supporters must be getting tired of defending him.).

It seems unlikely that this is “just” that he packed up classified docs when he left the White House because then surely he would have just handed them back. Why save classified docs??

They've already retrieved/he's already handed back many boxes of classified docs over the past few months. But apparently there were more that they wanted, or wanted to make sure that he had, or hadn't given away.

The GSA packed boxes marked classified and shipped them to Mar a Lago. Trump did not pack them or order them packed. White House Counsel also didn’t declassify the material in the boxes when Trump told them to (The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings) NARA then deliberately identified them as classified to the media, when in truth, the FBI has had access to these documents for months. Remember, the president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government and he exercised that right. The media then put out to the public that Trump 'stole' classified information to justify a raid on Mar A Lago. That's it in a nutshell. There is documented evidence of GSA packing the boxes and a paper trail showing WH Counsel did not declassify. In addition: NARA is only temporary custodian of a president's old White House archives until all those records are transferred back to president, once his presidential library is built. All the classified papers are returned to the former president. So why were the papers shipped to Mar-A-Lago by GSA in the first place? You can't tell me that the GSA didn't know their job? Please!

whatever you want to believe is fine with me.