2023 Girls Recruiting

[Anonymous]

as a parent of an Ivy League grad and athlete I have first hand experience. There are zero athletic scholarships, all financial aid is needs based, so if your household makes 250k a year you will get zippy in aid. You can apply for grants and such but those are all unique to there quals. So if you are looking to play Ivy League lax it can be very expensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as a parent of an Ivy League grad and athlete I have first hand experience. There are zero athletic scholarships, all financial aid is needs based, so if your household makes 250k a year you will get zippy in aid. You can apply for grants and such but those are all unique to there quals. So if you are looking to play Ivy League lax it can be very expensive.

So I guess the benefit is a lacrosse player getting into Ivy who without Lacrosse may not have been accepted?

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exactly, gojng through the process they state that all of the applicants are very smart and have great grades, they look for something that they are exceptional at to be the differentiator. It can be art, music, philanthropy and yes athletics.

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Anonymous wrote:Most College coaches don’t have a bloody clue how to recruit. Rarely do even half their recruits make it all 4 years and the same teams see success while the others continue to fail year after year.

Sounds like the new Pride line to keep those checks coming in after their recruiting failures….

Truth.

I’m the original author of the first Capital Blue comment.
I don’t know/don’t have time to read back about the Pride vs Cap Blue drama is all about.
All I meant is that the Cap Blue I just kind of a basic team. They are not really that special. My daughter plays for a big 5 team and we are from Baltimore. She is a23 so we have met some players on invitational/special teams in the past. They were nice, but like many of the players from outside the state(I mean way outside, not just over the border) that come to play and compete in Maryland, they’re just wannabes. You can practice twizzlers all you want but until you play against real defense or fast middies, you shouldn’t brag so much.

Cap 23 Blue beat Heros (multiple times), played competitively against the top NY / CT teams, and is sending players to Princeton, Brown, Harvard, Columbia, Hopkins, UVA, Northwestern, Georgetown, Michigan … and on and on. The list of Cap Blue 23 commits is just as strong (if not stronger) than any MD 23 team. The coaches who recruited them didn’t do so because they’re “nice” girls. They didn’t recruit them because the Cap 23s were “marketed well.” These coaches selected these kids because they believe these players can help them win. That’s their job; at the D1 level, coaches who don’t win are usually fired. The list of Cap 23 Blue commits is proof these kids can hang with any team in the country.

Well the coaches at Georgetown, Brown, UVA, Hopkins (retiring after this year), and Harvard (still pretty new) have not done much winning in years so should have already lost their jobs- why haven’t they? At a minimum Georgetown and Brown coaches should have got the boot years ago. They can’t recruit for crap and their ‘22 and ‘23 recruits are likely to be a disaster. UVA may get better. Harvard and Columbia may have new coaches but they are going to continue to lose. Writings on the wall but the coaches seem to hold onto their jobs anyway.

Any player would dream of playing at any one of these schools.

Well of course but that’s not the topic. The topic is that only players who can help a team win get recruited because losing teams get coaches fired. That should be true but it’s pretty obvious it isn’t. These losing teams in some cases have had same coach for over a decade. Clearly there are lots of college coaches who are crap recruiters. Proof is in the w-l records.

Of course those schools have their choice of recruits but make bad picks year after year after year.

You incorrectly assume the top academic schools can recruit any kid they want. They can’t. They have extremely high GPA and testing requirements not every player can meet. Ivies can’t offer scholarships — that weeds out a ton of kids looking for money. It’s still an unbelievably competitive environment, but to say these programs can get any kid they want just isn’t true.

Nit pick all you want. Lots of kids they can recruit and don’t. Princeton and UPenn do well enough. Plus Georgetown isn’t an Ivy nor Hopkins, Michigan, UVA. Yet those coaches have made bad recruiting decisions over many years and kept their job. Point is no matter how bad these coaches are at recruiting they never get called on it. Fried is the perfect example.

A rare example. Most top 50 players will opt to take money from schools where admission is a done deal vs pay full freight (and still have to hit extremely high GPA and take the SAT / ACT multiple times to reach ivy index targets). Many ivies are outgunned on the recruiting front, as they have difficulty competing with schools throwing money at players, especially now given continued D1 program expansion (think Clemson and more SEC schools to come). They need unique players who can afford the cost, play the game at a high level, and have the necessary academic qualifications. It's basic math; the pool of recruits is smaller.

Cap Blue 23 players largely come from DC area private schools where cost didn't drive the decision and academic strength was the priority. Those who went fast received offers and strong interest from a boatload of top programs with lots of scholarship $ attached. This was not a basic team, not by any measurement.

As for the others noted, Michigan HC is entering her fifth season - this will be a make or break year for the current admin. UVA is ranked 22 so they must be doing something right on the recruiting front. Hopkins ranked top 30 in 2018 and 2019 but dropped to 49 last year ... and what happened? Bye bye coach.

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Anonymous wrote:Most College coaches don’t have a bloody clue how to recruit. Rarely do even half their recruits make it all 4 years and the same teams see success while the others continue to fail year after year.

Sounds like the new Pride line to keep those checks coming in after their recruiting failures….

Truth.

I’m the original author of the first Capital Blue comment.
I don’t know/don’t have time to read back about the Pride vs Cap Blue drama is all about.
All I meant is that the Cap Blue I just kind of a basic team. They are not really that special. My daughter plays for a big 5 team and we are from Baltimore. She is a23 so we have met some players on invitational/special teams in the past. They were nice, but like many of the players from outside the state(I mean way outside, not just over the border) that come to play and compete in Maryland, they’re just wannabes. You can practice twizzlers all you want but until you play against real defense or fast middies, you shouldn’t brag so much.

Cap 23 Blue beat Heros (multiple times), played competitively against the top NY / CT teams, and is sending players to Princeton, Brown, Harvard, Columbia, Hopkins, UVA, Northwestern, Georgetown, Michigan … and on and on. The list of Cap Blue 23 commits is just as strong (if not stronger) than any MD 23 team. The coaches who recruited them didn’t do so because they’re “nice” girls. They didn’t recruit them because the Cap 23s were “marketed well.” These coaches selected these kids because they believe these players can help them win. That’s their job; at the D1 level, coaches who don’t win are usually fired. The list of Cap 23 Blue commits is proof these kids can hang with any team in the country.

Well the coaches at Georgetown, Brown, UVA, Hopkins (retiring after this year), and Harvard (still pretty new) have not done much winning in years so should have already lost their jobs- why haven’t they? At a minimum Georgetown and Brown coaches should have got the boot years ago. They can’t recruit for crap and their ‘22 and ‘23 recruits are likely to be a disaster. UVA may get better. Harvard and Columbia may have new coaches but they are going to continue to lose. Writings on the wall but the coaches seem to hold onto their jobs anyway.

Any player would dream of playing at any one of these schools.

Well of course but that’s not the topic. The topic is that only players who can help a team win get recruited because losing teams get coaches fired. That should be true but it’s pretty obvious it isn’t. These losing teams in some cases have had same coach for over a decade. Clearly there are lots of college coaches who are crap recruiters. Proof is in the w-l records.

Of course those schools have their choice of recruits but make bad picks year after year after year.

You incorrectly assume the top academic schools can recruit any kid they want. They can’t. They have extremely high GPA and testing requirements not every player can meet. Ivies can’t offer scholarships — that weeds out a ton of kids looking for money. It’s still an unbelievably competitive environment, but to say these programs can get any kid they want just isn’t true.

Nit pick all you want. Lots of kids they can recruit and don’t. Princeton and UPenn do well enough. Plus Georgetown isn’t an Ivy nor Hopkins, Michigan, UVA. Yet those coaches have made bad recruiting decisions over many years and kept their job. Point is no matter how bad these coaches are at recruiting they never get called on it. Fried is the perfect example.

A rare example. Most top 50 players will opt to take money from schools where admission is a done deal vs pay full freight (and still have to hit extremely high GPA and take the SAT / ACT multiple times to reach ivy index targets). Many ivies are outgunned on the recruiting front, as they have difficulty competing with schools throwing money at players, especially now given continued D1 program expansion (think Clemson and more SEC schools to come). They need unique players who can afford the cost, play the game at a high level, and have the necessary academic qualifications. It's basic math; the pool of recruits is smaller.

Cap Blue 23 players largely come from DC area private schools where cost didn't drive the decision and academic strength was the priority. Those who went fast received offers and strong interest from a boatload of top programs with lots of scholarship $ attached. This was not a basic team, not by any measurement.

As for the others noted, Michigan HC is entering her fifth season - this will be a make or break year for the current admin. UVA is ranked 22 so they must be doing something right on the recruiting front. Hopkins ranked top 30 in 2018 and 2019 but dropped to 49 last year ... and what happened? Bye bye coach.

Cap ‘23 Blue is only “exceptional” because it got the full weight of Gussie Johns and Alicia Mercer pushing for them to get whatever they wanted. Their reputations are going to suffer once some (not all) of those college coaches ress add luxe they were sold some serious bs.

[Anonymous]

Bitter, much?

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Anonymous wrote:Bitter, much?

No but reality is going to hit when some of those girls get to college and coaches realize the truth.

[Anonymous]

Wow someone’s daughter was overlooked by top teams and now every college coach knows nothing. LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bitter, much?

No but reality is going to hit when some of those girls get to college and coaches realize the truth.

Reality is hitting now as you kept telling yourself you don’t need to go to Capital to get recruited and now are out in the cold.

[Anonymous]

Why wouldn’t you want the team owner and HC “pushing for everything they wanted.” Why join a club where that isn’t the case?

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Anonymous wrote:Bitter, much?

No but reality is going to hit when some of those girls get to college and coaches realize the truth.

This says everything about how little you know (and didn't experience during the summer recruiting season). No player is ever recruited to the schools the Cap 23s are heading based on recommendation alone. Gussie and Alice helped attract top level coaches to the sidelines -- 100 percent. That's the job of any good club owner. But those college coaches attended every game the Cap 23s played last summer. Every one. Coaches had an entire summer season of play (roughly 16+ games) to evaluate and base their recruiting decisions. The girls proved themselves, every game, to earn their commitments. Keep inventing new attack lines to demean the success of these kids, whatever your hidden motive is. It's either out of spite you made the wrong club move for your kid, or a weak attempt to trash Cap's reputation to try and and protect your club's future. Either way, it's sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Bitter, much?

No but reality is going to hit when some of those girls get to college and coaches realize the truth.

Sounds like you have finally been hit with reality when you DD wasn't recruited...

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Anonymous wrote:Bitter, much?

No but reality is going to hit when some of those girls get to college and coaches realize the truth.

Capital girls committed to a big array of teams and coaches. Are there some college coaches out there who aren't great coaches/recruiters or just that the game has passed by? Yes, of course, there are in any college sport. Recruiting isn't an exact science in any sport and some are better than others at it, and some make some head scratching decisions. But you seem to have sour grapes (maybe cause your daughter/team couldn't cut it?). Almost every Capital game I saw this summer or fall had double digit coaches on the sidelines. Clearly they aren't all clueless and bad coaches and there was something to the program that attracted coaches to watch.

This also isn't 2020 where coaches had to rely on video and word of mouth. College coaches had a number of games over the summer and fall to watch girls in person, not to mention a number of camps/clinics to evaluate girls in person. A good club director/recruiter/coach helps open the door, yes, but the girls still have a lot of work to do to get noticed and close the deal. I'm sorry your club/team couldn't open doors for your daughter. Maybe if you had spent as much time working on their recruiting as you do demeaning the accomplishments of others on anonymous message boards, your life would have turned out differently.

I will say a prayer for you and your DD tonight. I hope God blesses you to lose your bitterness and find happiness in 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Too funny. Mr. Owings Mills graces us with his lax expertise. Please identify what club team your DD plays for, so we can evaluate the credibility of your comments.

Haha. BTW I would never choose to live in the OM zip code! Yikes.
I can’t tell you who my DD plays for! It’s Smalltimore!🤣 but she is already committed to a Div 1 school in the top 30. So I can afford
To comment without malice, and just use the power of observation.
But I will say that our club is one of the older ones and my family has been playing on the Coppermine Field before it even was leased to Bryn Mawr.

[Anonymous]

After the first big fall push, it’s going to telling how the next level falls out.