PAVE paying $100 to go to a meeting

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Anonymous wrote:What is PAVE trying to do?

the question is actually, what is OP trying to do by insinuating bad conduct by PAVE? Clearly OP is threatened by PAVE. Why is that, and how do we feel about charters post pandemic school closure? Personally, I used to buy the basic progressive anti-charter stance, but no longer. I don’t think it’s anything but a union-led attack. That’s not to say charters did better during the pandemic, but that I don’t trust the anti-charter faction to give an accurate public policy assessment of modes of public education that sidestep unions (charters, vouchers, testing, etc).

No, the question is actually what is PAVE trying to do. I really don't care what motivations a DCUM poster might have. I do care what motivations a well funded lobbying group might have. The fact that several have shown up here to defend them without addressing what they want, suggests that what they want won't be too popular.

OP posting a trolly, insinuating, out-of-context piece of information clearly intended to attack PAVE. Burden is on OP to explain their motivations. I don’t really have an opinion on PAVE, but I *absolutely* have a new understanding that anti-charter partisans are motivated to protect teacher’s unions primarily, and thus cannot be trusted to really be presenting an honest assessment of charters. OP’s post is very much of a type.

No. Paying people a rather large chunk of money is bizarre behavior that makes an organization suspect. OP seems to be calling attention to that in a way that makes one wonder what PAVE is up to. Now I assume they are up to no good unless there is information that suggests otherwise. It feels very astroturfy. The half-hearted defense of them here - that never address what PAVE is after - feels much the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

my kid goes to DCPS. based on the union’s conduct, I have zero trust in teacher’s unions critiques of education policy. it’s all self-interest, and not an honest assessment of charters. Separately, charters have issues of their own. But certainly charters did no worse than DCPS and some did better. My sense is they were able to pivot to DL better in some cases, but were not as good at reopening as quickly as DCPS.

I just don’t understand how people can look at the last 2 years of dcps’ inability to plan, communicate, adapt, fail to follow through on safety protocols and still think this is the fault of unions.
“But they had a one day strike tho”

maybe because that one-day strike resulted in keeping my SN child out of school? Hard to ignore that. And no, I don’t find fault with DCPS’s communication or planning. at the end of the day they came up with a system that allowed local parent pressure to get kids back on a school-by-school basis, and that pivot was done very quickly. they did better than other urban school districts like SF, worse than NYC. There was ONE organization sharing my interest in educating my child, and that was DCPS.

also … their adaption and safety protocols worked very well. our school had 2 covid quarantines in 2 terms - that seems quite good to me. No complaints.

They completely abandoned asympt testing which was promised; told families one thing and schools another re: return protocols, pressured principals to not report positive cases (at my school my principal tried to cover up a positive staffer and got called out by another teacher who reported it anonymously).
Teachers unions fought a hard line because they knew they couldn’t count on the district to keep them safe. Now that they are vaxxed and have a years worth of data from the science community, you don’t hear any noise about not returning for the fall. If the WTU tries it, I can promise you we as members wouldn’t allow it

well, that wasn’t my experience. as much as you want to point fingers at DCPS, they reopened our school with minimal covid burden. y’all got your way - schools closed and prioritized vaccinations. maybe it’s time to be humble and accept that asserting your interests caused serious harms and lost union allies for a long time.

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lol I see the WTU defender got a whole bunch of posts deleted. Super honest!! Surely makes me believe the bona fides of your attacks on PAVE even more.

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Anonymous wrote:Sign me up. Where is this meeting?

This. Can someone post it?!

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Anonymous wrote:There is something very off about PAVE. A parent at my school (who we later realized worked for PAVE) pressured my Latino husband (both from the same country) a lot to attend PAVE meetings - calling a lot. He tried to attend, but works late and is not really interested in that stuff. One day he got a call from the lady basically saying he was fired from PAVE because he wasnt committing enough time. HE found it weird, but I found it even weirder and lo and behold I looked on PAVE's website and found out he was a PARENT LEADER!! Anyway - super super weird...

Creepy!

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This is super common now. The organization I work for starting "bribing" people to come to workshops, do surveys, attend meetings, etc. Now most people won't attend without receiving some sort of stipend.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something very off about PAVE. A parent at my school (who we later realized worked for PAVE) pressured my Latino husband (both from the same country) a lot to attend PAVE meetings - calling a lot. He tried to attend, but works late and is not really interested in that stuff. One day he got a call from the lady basically saying he was fired from PAVE because he wasnt committing enough time. HE found it weird, but I found it even weirder and lo and behold I looked on PAVE's website and found out he was a PARENT LEADER!! Anyway - super super weird...

Who was the "parent leader" your husband?

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Anonymous wrote:lol I see the WTU defender got a whole bunch of posts deleted. Super honest!! Surely makes me believe the bona fides of your attacks on PAVE even more.

Really makes me trust WTU!

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Anonymous wrote:What is PAVE trying to do?

the question is actually, what is OP trying to do by insinuating bad conduct by PAVE? Clearly OP is threatened by PAVE. Why is that, and how do we feel about charters post pandemic school closure? Personally, I used to buy the basic progressive anti-charter stance, but no longer. I don’t think it’s anything but a union-led attack. That’s not to say charters did better during the pandemic, but that I don’t trust the anti-charter faction to give an accurate public policy assessment of modes of public education that sidestep unions (charters, vouchers, testing, etc).

No, the question is actually what is PAVE trying to do. I really don't care what motivations a DCUM poster might have. I do care what motivations a well funded lobbying group might have. The fact that several have shown up here to defend them without addressing what they want, suggests that what they want won't be too popular.

their motivation is to get the in-person engagement of an under-resourced group of parents who need financial assistance to get to the meeting. It’s not uncommon to offer payments to focus group. it reflects that their time is valuable.

Right? All I’m hearing is that it is to get parents “engaged.” But engaged in WHAT?

That's the purpose of the organization? To get under-resourced parents to go to meetings? I've seen a lot of large organizations spend money on worthless things, so I won't rule it out, but seems they likely have an end goal that is very different from merely getting these parents to meetings.

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Ugh I don’t want to retype that. Basically “engaged in what?”

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Yu call someone else out for "histrionics" while spewing histrionics of your own. Priceless.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Yu call someone else out for "histrionics" while spewing histrionics of your own. Priceless.

I know you are but what am I? Lol perfect. Are you with the WTU.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Yu call someone else out for "histrionics" while spewing histrionics of your own. Priceless.

I know you are but what am I? Lol perfect. Are you with the WTU.

Probably. They're not known for coming up with the best arguments. I would say tossing body bags on the ground in an attention-grabbing stunt is more histrionics than logical argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union.[b] So spare me the histrionics.

Yu call someone else out for "histrionics" while spewing histrionics of your own. Priceless.

Am I crazy or didn't a lot of charters stay closed (and are still more likely to pivot to virtual in 21-22). Didn't realize the WTU was strong enough to infiltrate them as well to make sure even more schooling could be "destroyed"

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union.[b] So spare me the histrionics.

Yu call someone else out for "histrionics" while spewing histrionics of your own. Priceless.

Am I crazy or didn't a lot of charters stay closed (and are still more likely to pivot to virtual in 21-22). Didn't realize the WTU was strong enough to infiltrate them as well to make sure even more schooling could be "destroyed"

It's like the same argument from 2020. Maybe pay attention a bit and get new material?

First, the person who posted might indeed be in DCPS, so yeah, they union played a part in keeping schools closed.

Second, yes, when DCPS closes it impacts the charters through various channels (e.g., the charter teachers have kids at DCPS and need childcare) so the unions do impact the charter decisions.

Keep deflecting, though! You are totally winning hearts and minds!