PAVE paying $100 to go to a meeting

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Anonymous wrote:What is PAVE trying to do?

the question is actually, what is OP trying to do by insinuating bad conduct by PAVE? Clearly OP is threatened by PAVE. Why is that, and how do we feel about charters post pandemic school closure? Personally, I used to buy the basic progressive anti-charter stance, but no longer. I don’t think it’s anything but a union-led attack. That’s not to say charters did better during the pandemic, but that I don’t trust the anti-charter faction to give an accurate public policy assessment of modes of public education that sidestep unions (charters, vouchers, testing, etc).

No, the question is actually what is PAVE trying to do. I really don't care what motivations a DCUM poster might have. I do care what motivations a well funded lobbying group might have. The fact that several have shown up here to defend them without addressing what they want, suggests that what they want won't be too popular.

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PAVE is extremely well-funded and just popped up out of no where a few years back. I think they’re pretty shady.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

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Anonymous wrote:Is it strange to pay people to be a part of their political constituency? Funders are Walton (Walmart) and others.

Well that explains it. I don't trust anything sourced to those crooks.

How are they “crooks”?

Don't they employ disabled people? I wish more companies actively did that.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

A lot of DC charter schools serve under-served communities, whose constituents did not want IPL. There was an article about KIPP making distance plans for next year, because their populations are not vaccinated and don't want to come in person. That's the reality--and it's good they are planning for it so kids don't fall behind. DCPS should do the same (make a plan B), since Delta is going to shut schools down anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is PAVE trying to do?

the question is actually, what is OP trying to do by insinuating bad conduct by PAVE? Clearly OP is threatened by PAVE. Why is that, and how do we feel about charters post pandemic school closure? Personally, I used to buy the basic progressive anti-charter stance, but no longer. I don’t think it’s anything but a union-led attack. That’s not to say charters did better during the pandemic, but that I don’t trust the anti-charter faction to give an accurate public policy assessment of modes of public education that sidestep unions (charters, vouchers, testing, etc).

No, the question is actually what is PAVE trying to do. I really don't care what motivations a DCUM poster might have. I do care what motivations a well funded lobbying group might have. The fact that several have shown up here to defend them without addressing what they want, suggests that what they want won't be too popular.

their motivation is to get the in-person engagement of an under-resourced group of parents who need financial assistance to get to the meeting. It’s not uncommon to offer payments to focus group. it reflects that their time is valuable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

A lot of DC charter schools serve under-served communities, whose constituents did not want IPL. There was an article about KIPP making distance plans for next year, because their populations are not vaccinated and don't want to come in person. That's the reality--and it's good they are planning for it so kids don't fall behind. DCPS should do the same (make a plan B), since Delta is going to shut schools down anyway.

NP, but You realize…that dcps exists outside of ward 3, right? I don’t have the actual stats but a large part of the DCPS student body also comes from those underserved communities. Continue union bashing tho, it’s good stuff

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is PAVE trying to do?

the question is actually, what is OP trying to do by insinuating bad conduct by PAVE? Clearly OP is threatened by PAVE. Why is that, and how do we feel about charters post pandemic school closure? Personally, I used to buy the basic progressive anti-charter stance, but no longer. I don’t think it’s anything but a union-led attack. That’s not to say charters did better during the pandemic, but that I don’t trust the anti-charter faction to give an accurate public policy assessment of modes of public education that sidestep unions (charters, vouchers, testing, etc).

No, the question is actually what is PAVE trying to do. I really don't care what motivations a DCUM poster might have. I do care what motivations a well funded lobbying group might have. The fact that several have shown up here to defend them without addressing what they want, suggests that what they want won't be too popular.

OP posting a trolly, insinuating, out-of-context piece of information clearly intended to attack PAVE. Burden is on OP to explain their motivations. I don’t really have an opinion on PAVE, but I *absolutely* have a new understanding that anti-charter partisans are motivated to protect teacher’s unions primarily, and thus cannot be trusted to really be presenting an honest assessment of charters. OP’s post is very much of a type.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

my kid goes to DCPS. based on the union’s conduct, I have zero trust in teacher’s unions critiques of education policy. it’s all self-interest, and not an honest assessment of charters. Separately, charters have issues of their own. But certainly charters did no worse than DCPS and some did better. My sense is they were able to pivot to DL better in some cases, but were not as good at reopening as quickly as DCPS.

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There is something very off about PAVE. A parent at my school (who we later realized worked for PAVE) pressured my Latino husband (both from the same country) a lot to attend PAVE meetings - calling a lot. He tried to attend, but works late and is not really interested in that stuff. One day he got a call from the lady basically saying he was fired from PAVE because he wasnt committing enough time. HE found it weird, but I found it even weirder and lo and behold I looked on PAVE's website and found out he was a PARENT LEADER!! Anyway - super super weird...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

my kid goes to DCPS. based on the union’s conduct, I have zero trust in teacher’s unions critiques of education policy. it’s all self-interest, and not an honest assessment of charters. Separately, charters have issues of their own. But certainly charters did no worse than DCPS and some did better. My sense is they were able to pivot to DL better in some cases, but were not as good at reopening as quickly as DCPS.

I just don’t understand how people can look at the last 2 years of dcps’ inability to plan, communicate, adapt, fail to follow through on safety protocols and still think this is the fault of unions.
“But they had a one day strike tho”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

my kid goes to DCPS. based on the union’s conduct, I have zero trust in teacher’s unions critiques of education policy. it’s all self-interest, and not an honest assessment of charters. Separately, charters have issues of their own. But certainly charters did no worse than DCPS and some did better. My sense is they were able to pivot to DL better in some cases, but were not as good at reopening as quickly as DCPS.

I just don’t understand how people can look at the last 2 years of dcps’ inability to plan, communicate, adapt, fail to follow through on safety protocols and still think this is the fault of unions.
“But they had a one day strike tho”

maybe because that one-day strike resulted in keeping my SN child out of school? Hard to ignore that. And no, I don’t find fault with DCPS’s communication or planning. at the end of the day they came up with a system that allowed local parent pressure to get kids back on a school-by-school basis, and that pivot was done very quickly. they did better than other urban school districts like SF, worse than NYC. There was ONE organization sharing my interest in educating my child, and that was DCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

my kid goes to DCPS. based on the union’s conduct, I have zero trust in teacher’s unions critiques of education policy. it’s all self-interest, and not an honest assessment of charters. Separately, charters have issues of their own. But certainly charters did no worse than DCPS and some did better. My sense is they were able to pivot to DL better in some cases, but were not as good at reopening as quickly as DCPS.

I just don’t understand how people can look at the last 2 years of dcps’ inability to plan, communicate, adapt, fail to follow through on safety protocols and still think this is the fault of unions.
“But they had a one day strike tho”

maybe because that one-day strike resulted in keeping my SN child out of school? Hard to ignore that. And no, I don’t find fault with DCPS’s communication or planning. at the end of the day they came up with a system that allowed local parent pressure to get kids back on a school-by-school basis, and that pivot was done very quickly. they did better than other urban school districts like SF, worse than NYC. There was ONE organization sharing my interest in educating my child, and that was DCPS.

also … their adaption and safety protocols worked very well. our school had 2 covid quarantines in 2 terms - that seems quite good to me. No complaints.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you kidding? Charters were a mess responding to the pandemic compared to DCPS. There’s no accountability. I know so many people who lotteried for DCPS this year because their charter schools couldn’t get their heads out of their bums to come up with a reopening plan.

right - but OP isn’t slandering PAVE because she thinks schools should have reopened sooner. Neither sector showed itself to be particularly dedicated to kids during the pandemic. Will be interesting to see how they do next year.

I’m slandering PAVE because they’re funded by the Walton family who want to destroy public schools to cut taxes on the rich.

The two biggest state and local budget lines are schools and police and prisons. There’s a reason the Waltons and Charles Koch fund school “reform” and prison “reform”. They don’t care about the kids or the prisoners. They just want to shrink government to cut taxes on the ultra rich (themselves.)

It’s just hard to take any school reform organization seriously if it takes money from bad actors. Maybe PAVE will do good. Or maybe they have secretive conflicts of interest that affect what they do. We don’t know.

you know who ACTUALLY destroyed my child's schooling for the past 1.5 years? The teacher's union. So spare me the histrionics.

Do I have the following details wrong?
- The vast majority (all?) DC charter schools were closed for the entirety of last school year.
- With few exceptions, those schools do not have unionized teachers.

If those are both correct, then how did the teacher's union destroy your kid's school? Do they dictate policy for charter schools as well?

my kid goes to DCPS. based on the union’s conduct, I have zero trust in teacher’s unions critiques of education policy. it’s all self-interest, and not an honest assessment of charters. Separately, charters have issues of their own. But certainly charters did no worse than DCPS and some did better. My sense is they were able to pivot to DL better in some cases, but were not as good at reopening as quickly as DCPS.

I just don’t understand how people can look at the last 2 years of dcps’ inability to plan, communicate, adapt, fail to follow through on safety protocols and still think this is the fault of unions.
“But they had a one day strike tho”

maybe because that one-day strike resulted in keeping my SN child out of school? Hard to ignore that. And no, I don’t find fault with DCPS’s communication or planning. at the end of the day they came up with a system that allowed local parent pressure to get kids back on a school-by-school basis, and that pivot was done very quickly. they did better than other urban school districts like SF, worse than NYC. There was ONE organization sharing my interest in educating my child, and that was DCPS.

also … their adaption and safety protocols worked very well. our school had 2 covid quarantines in 2 terms - that seems quite good to me. No complaints.

They completely abandoned asympt testing which was promised; told families one thing and schools another re: return protocols, pressured principals to not report positive cases (at my school my principal tried to cover up a positive staffer and got called out by another teacher who reported it anonymously).
Teachers unions fought a hard line because they knew they couldn’t count on the district to keep them safe. Now that they are vaxxed and have a years worth of data from the science community, you don’t hear any noise about not returning for the fall. If the WTU tries it, I can promise you we as members wouldn’t allow it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is PAVE trying to do?

the question is actually, what is OP trying to do by insinuating bad conduct by PAVE? Clearly OP is threatened by PAVE. Why is that, and how do we feel about charters post pandemic school closure? Personally, I used to buy the basic progressive anti-charter stance, but no longer. I don’t think it’s anything but a union-led attack. That’s not to say charters did better during the pandemic, but that I don’t trust the anti-charter faction to give an accurate public policy assessment of modes of public education that sidestep unions (charters, vouchers, testing, etc).

No, the question is actually what is PAVE trying to do. I really don't care what motivations a DCUM poster might have. I do care what motivations a well funded lobbying group might have. The fact that several have shown up here to defend them without addressing what they want, suggests that what they want won't be too popular.

their motivation is to get the in-person engagement of an under-resourced group of parents who need financial assistance to get to the meeting. It’s not uncommon to offer payments to focus group. it reflects that their time is valuable.

That's the purpose of the organization? To get under-resourced parents to go to meetings? I've seen a lot of large organizations spend money on worthless things, so I won't rule it out, but seems they likely have an end goal that is very different from merely getting these parents to meetings.