Can we have an honest, good faith conversation about fat acceptance and body positivity?

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Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

You can’t be serious. Eat less and you will lose weight. It may be difficult to do but it’s bs to say that there’s no known cure.

There is no studied population for which that has permanently cured diabetes. None.

*obesity not diabetes

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

You can’t be serious. Eat less and you will lose weight. It may be difficult to do but it’s bs to say that there’s no known cure.

It's like swimming against the current. Sugar is everywhere, food industry uses it to make food taste good. In addition to that - nobody is willing to admit that sugar is addictive.
Until society admits that added sugar is a drug - we won't have cure for obesity.

Sugar is addictive. But, not just sugar. Food id addictive. There are studies upon studies about it.
My mom eats tomatoes and green beans non stop. She is obese even though I would say her diet is better than 90% of the population. She was also clinically dead, pumped full of cortisone and kept on it for years by... yet doctors who told here to try and lose the weight while giving her another steroid prescription so she could breathe.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

You can’t be serious. Eat less and you will lose weight. It may be difficult to do but it’s bs to say that there’s no known cure.

It’s statistically almost impossible.

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https://www.health.harvard.edu/exercise-and-fitness/obesity-is-complicated-and-so-is-treating-it-2018053013943

Obesity isn’t just about energy balance, i.e., calories in/calories out. “That’s simplistic, and if the equation were that easy to solve we wouldn’t have the prevalence of obesity that we have today,” Dr. Stanford explains. She goes on to say that not only is the energy balance theory wrong, but the focus on that simplistic equation and blaming the patient have contributed to the obesity epidemic. Stigma, blame, and shame add to the problem, and are obstacles to treatment. Indeed, over 36% of adults in the United States have obesity, and the world is not far behind.

She describes her research and experience in the treatment of obesity, including several cases from her own clinic. These are the cases that capture my attention, as they demonstrate most clearly the effects of different treatment approaches (and combinations) to obesity: diet and lifestyle (i.e. behavioral), medications, and surgery. Stanford has seen remarkable, long-lasting positive results with all, but she always emphasizes diet and lifestyle change first and foremost. The program (called Healthy Habits for Life) offered at the MGH Weight Center is a huge commitment, but it can help reframe a person’s relationship with food, emphasizing a high-quality diet, and not calorie-counting.

Abeer Bader is a registered dietitian and the lead clinical nutrition specialist at the center. She described the program to me in more detail: it’s a 12-week group-based education and support program with a structured curriculum and frequent contact with patients. The classes are 90 minutes long and led by a registered dietitian, and cover everything from the causes of obesity to healthy eating to debunking popular diet myths, plus recommendations for dining out, grocery shopping, meal prep, physical activity, and more. “The goal of the HHL program is to provide patients with the education, support, and tools to lead a healthy lifestyle.”

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Anonymous wrote:The health care industry has shown itself to be a complete failure at treating obesity. Instead they just chastise their obese patients once a year. And fail to treat them for their other issues (broke your arm? You should lose weight!) Shockingly, that doesn't work, and it costs all of us a lot of money... which is great, for the health care industry.

This is so accurate. I once had a non weight related for injury from running. The doctor spent the whole time testing me for diabetic neuropathy despite having excellent blood work and an a1c of 5 less than a month before (not on meds). And then she told me it was plantar fasciitis even though the TOP of my foot was purple and swollen. Then told me to lose weight. I just wanted to make sure I didn't break anything. Suuupppper helpful.

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There is no cure for type I diabetes, people!

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Anonymous wrote:There is no cure for type I diabetes, people!

that was the point - there is no cure for obesity in general either

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Anonymous wrote:There is no cure for type I diabetes, people!

that was the point - there is no cure for obesity in general either

Yet, pp goes on and one about eat less!
I am sure my friend's 13 year old who has been getting shots several times a day since birth!, she does it herself now, will do great if she just ate less!
Oh, wait, she is underweight, and HAS to eat every few hours and it makes no difference what she eats.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

What?? How so?

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Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

Actually it’s known to fail in every single population that it’s ever been tested on. It literally never has led to curing obesity in a population. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

What?? How so?

Because you are spreading blatantly false information. For what reason?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

Actually it’s known to fail in every single population that it’s ever been tested on. It literally never has led to curing obesity in a population. Ever.

People don't get obese from air. They get obese from consuming more calories than they burn. Diets don't work, but eating less and moving more? It's fool proof.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

What?? How so?

Because you are spreading blatantly false information. For what reason?

Actually, you're the one who's spreading blatantly false information.
There is no cure for obesity same way that there is no cure for addiction. You can control it temporarily, but you can't cure it.
Your universal solution fails at the first step - willpower to do what's hard. It is against the human nature. Fish always looking for a deeper pond, human is always looking for the better place (or greener pasture if you will).
Is there a pill to get more willpower? Motivation? Going against the current? Some can do it, but majority would never be able too.
So we are where we are, sadly.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic problem here is that there is NO known cure for obesity. Imagine sitting around discussing whether to accept type 1 diabetes. Until someone can actually permanently cure obesity in a population, it’s not really a debate at all.

I'm sorry, what? Eat less, move more - it's an exact cure. I know it, because I followed it and went from obese to a healthy weight.

So have many, many others.

Is it hard? Sure. Does it take a while and consistency? Yes. But it's a known cure that works. Comments like yours pp are exactly what drives empathy and sympathy away from obese people.

Actually it’s known to fail in every single population that it’s ever been tested on. It literally never has led to curing obesity in a population. Ever.

People don't get obese from air. They get obese from consuming more calories than they burn. Diets don't work, but eating less and moving more? It's fool proof.

Many diets result in short term weight loss but you gain it back. That really doesn't help. In my experience sustainable weight gain is about shiftinh your approach to food - focusing on what you should eat (nutritious foods with LOTS of veggies) and incorporating less healthy foods as occasional treats to look forward to, not feel guilty about.