How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the vitriol over the non vaxxers.
My husband and I are vaccinated along with our parents. I really don’t care if my neighbor gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if my coworker gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if any of the people working on my team get vaccinated or not.
What I like them to be vaccinated? Yes. But it’s really none of my business.
Enforcement of any vax rules to go to the movies or put to eat will be impossible.

The problem is that if your neighbors and coworkers don't get vaccinated, it's going to be really hard for the country to get to herd immunity. And we need them to get vaccinated in order to protect kids, immunocompromised people and people who are physically unable to get the vaccines (not anti vaxxers). So we should all care.

+1. Also the more people infected increases the chances that more virulent or deadly strains will develop. Some of those may not be covered by the vaccine. So the rest of us will keep needing updated boaters or risk getting sick from the new strains. We are not isolated from others' choices.

And that is justification for measures that control spread while we are still in the midst of all this, and while other parts of the world literally have people dying in the streets.

But the paranoid persecution fantasies that sometimes get posted here? That's addressing some internal mental health issue, not reality. The point is to control spread, not to punish people. I get that it may feel like punishment, but -- pandemic. Make your choices and live (hopefully) with them.

They are paranoid, and also perverted in a sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).

And there will just be a new group of colleges created for conservatives that don't want the government to be able to force them to inject things into their bodies.

And those colleges might just choose to exclude other groups like ADHD, autism, behavioral disorders based on medical histories.

I don't think the country wants to head in this direction.

+1. Look at this school. The same will happen with colleges and this will encourage private education. More will open up and some won’t be as extreme as this one. It’s a business and there will be options for everyone. Don’t fool yourself by thinking anyone’s lives will be limited.

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article250961279.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And should we do more to get them to do the patriotic thing?

No cruises, no international travel, no college.

How else will people who refuse to get the shot be affected?

I have friends who are all upset their kids can't live on campus next year unless they are vaccinated. I don't know what they are going to do.

I will be suing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).

And there will just be a new group of colleges created for conservatives that don't want the government to be able to force them to inject things into their bodies.

And those colleges might just choose to exclude other groups like ADHD, autism, behavioral disorders based on medical histories.

I don't think the country wants to head in this direction.

Oh good grief. Of course a college can and should exclude a student unwilling to receive a vaccine against ac widespread, highly contagious, often lethal disease.

[Anonymous]

All of the unvaccinated will eventually get Covid, maybe multiple times as new variants emerge and spread. Some will survive and some will die. All will get infected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We will never have anything like Israel's internal Covid Green pass, but it has been wildly effective there.

Basically, you need to show that you have been vaccinated (and there records are centralized so there is little to no fear of people just lying or getting a fake vaccine card) to get into all sorts of places. But, because of these rules, a lot of life has gone back to pretty close to normal.

We do have centralized vaccine records, maintained on each state's existing immunization information system.

But we have 50 different states, not one central government record. That greatly complicates things, particularly as you have some states making it illegal to have anything like a vaccine passport.

[Anonymous]

Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

Oh you should submit that to a publisher, maybe you'll get a book deal. If people avoided covid while it was blowing up and there were no vaccines, it goes to reason that, if they continue good practices (masks, etc), chances are they'll make it through.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will never have anything like Israel's internal Covid Green pass, but it has been wildly effective there.

Basically, you need to show that you have been vaccinated (and there records are centralized so there is little to no fear of people just lying or getting a fake vaccine card) to get into all sorts of places. But, because of these rules, a lot of life has gone back to pretty close to normal.

We do have centralized vaccine records, maintained on each state's existing immunization information system.

But we have 50 different states, not one central government record. That greatly complicates things, particularly as you have some states making it illegal to have anything like a vaccine passport.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And should we do more to get them to do the patriotic thing?

No cruises, no international travel, no college.

How else will people who refuse to get the shot be affected?

I have friends who are all upset their kids can't live on campus next year unless they are vaccinated. I don't know what they are going to do.

I will be suing

You know you have to sue on specific grounds, right? And that those grounds are limited, and don't include "suppressing my freedoms," right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

Oh you should submit that to a publisher, maybe you'll get a book deal. If people avoided covid while it was blowing up and there were no vaccines, it goes to reason that, if they continue good practices (masks, etc), chances are they'll make it through.

But that’s because so much was closed and expectations were different. And it’s only been a year and a half, as opposed to all future years. I don’t think everyone will get it, but obviously many will and some of those will needlessly die, which is sad. But for the most part life will continue as before for everyone, vaccinated or not. The unvaccinated will have a slightly higher death rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will never have anything like Israel's internal Covid Green pass, but it has been wildly effective there.

Basically, you need to show that you have been vaccinated (and there records are centralized so there is little to no fear of people just lying or getting a fake vaccine card) to get into all sorts of places. But, because of these rules, a lot of life has gone back to pretty close to normal.

We do have centralized vaccine records, maintained on each state's existing immunization information system.

But we have 50 different states, not one central government record. That greatly complicates things, particularly as you have some states making it illegal to have anything like a vaccine passport.

But any qualified person can get accounts to check at any state online. So, for example, HeadStart personnel are authorized access to all state IISs -- they just need to set up accounts.

It would be just simple paperwork to authorize airline agents to access any or all state vaccine registries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And should we do more to get them to do the patriotic thing?

No cruises, no international travel, no college.

How else will people who refuse to get the shot be affected?

I have friends who are all upset their kids can't live on campus next year unless they are vaccinated. I don't know what they are going to do.

I will be suing

Maybe you will be sued when your student infects others at school. See how that works.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

Oh you should submit that to a publisher, maybe you'll get a book deal. If people avoided covid while it was blowing up and there were no vaccines, it goes to reason that, if they continue good practices (masks, etc), chances are they'll make it through.

Well, shoot, who wants to do that? Wear a mask everywhere? Keep your kids home from school? No indoor sports? No airline travel? No public transportation? Nobody in your home? No dinners with friends? No weddings? No funerals? No restaurants? I don’t know what you’ve been doing, but that’s what I did to avoid Covid. Without vaccines, you do all that...forever...and the. still end up with Covid.

And mocking me with the book deal thing? What’s that about. It was just a comment.

You guys should all just say “Thanks” to the rest of us for taking it for the team. You know, since we’re poisoning ourselves for your benefit and all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Probably nothing. Rates of transmission will drop here (but not disappear) and they will skate by on our efforts, all while congratulating themselves for not “poisoning” their bodies.

Some will die. And because it’s human behavior they’ll probably still say they did the right thing while they’re gasping for breath.

Oh you should submit that to a publisher, maybe you'll get a book deal. If people avoided covid while it was blowing up and there were no vaccines, it goes to reason that, if they continue good practices (masks, etc), chances are they'll make it through.

Well, shoot, who wants to do that? Wear a mask everywhere? Keep your kids home from school? No indoor sports? No airline travel? No public transportation? Nobody in your home? No dinners with friends? No weddings? No funerals? No restaurants? I don’t know what you’ve been doing, but that’s what I did to avoid Covid. Without vaccines, you do all that...forever...and the. still end up with Covid.

And mocking me with the book deal thing? What’s that about. It was just a comment.

You guys should all just say “Thanks” to the rest of us for taking it for the team. You know, since we’re poisoning ourselves for your benefit and all.

The book deal quip was a compliment. You have a great imagination, you are persuasive, and you are skilled in hyperbole. You could write a dystopian novel or an adventure. I mean it. Also, I didn't hide in my basement to avoid covid. I took common sense measures while going about my day to day life.