Spin-off: VDOE math changes?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone told the Fairfax AAP parents about this? I would imagine they would go at the VA DOE with pitchforks.

The AAP Forum is up to 12 pages discussing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if equity is that important, they're also going to make all school sports no-cut with equal playing time for all, right? Everyone should get an equal chance to play. After all, school sports use public funds.

If you want equity, don't apply it selectively to academics.

There is a huge difference between something mandatory, school, and something extra, sports. Our children are required to attend school and the school district is required to provide them with an education that meets their needs.

The school district is not required to provide extra curricular activities, like sports. It is an option. PE needs to be taught in a manner that is available to all the students, after school football/basketball/softball and the like do not.

Math in school needs to meet the needs of all kids, including those who are behind and advanced. AoPS does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if equity is that important, they're also going to make all school sports no-cut with equal playing time for all, right? Everyone should get an equal chance to play. After all, school sports use public funds.

If you want equity, don't apply it selectively to academics.

There is a huge difference between something mandatory, school, and something extra, sports. Our children are required to attend school and the school district is required to provide them with an education that meets their needs.

The school district is not required to provide extra curricular activities, like sports. It is an option. PE needs to be taught in a manner that is available to all the students, after school football/basketball/softball and the like do not.

Math in school needs to meet the needs of all kids, including those who are behind and advanced. AoPS does not.

But wouldn't that argue for more tracking? All kids take enough English and history in high school to major in those subjects in college. Kids who will major in physics and math need to be prepared for those majors. I am all for giving every kid the chance to try the advanced math track but I think you need it to prepare the kids who need that rigor for their future studies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if equity is that important, they're also going to make all school sports no-cut with equal playing time for all, right? Everyone should get an equal chance to play. After all, school sports use public funds.

If you want equity, don't apply it selectively to academics.

There is a huge difference between something mandatory, school, and something extra, sports. Our children are required to attend school and the school district is required to provide them with an education that meets their needs.

The school district is not required to provide extra curricular activities, like sports. It is an option. PE needs to be taught in a manner that is available to all the students, after school football/basketball/softball and the like do not.

Math in school needs to meet the needs of all kids, including those who are behind and advanced. AoPS does not.

So schools are going to start offering after school math enrichment to compensate for removing the opportunity from the school day curriculum? Kids can compete in private sports. No need for school teams unless they're accessible to all. They're tax payer funded after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if equity is that important, they're also going to make all school sports no-cut with equal playing time for all, right? Everyone should get an equal chance to play. After all, school sports use public funds.

If you want equity, don't apply it selectively to academics.

There is a huge difference between something mandatory, school, and something extra, sports. Our children are required to attend school and the school district is required to provide them with an education that meets their needs.

The school district is not required to provide extra curricular activities, like sports. It is an option. PE needs to be taught in a manner that is available to all the students, after school football/basketball/softball and the like do not.

Math in school needs to meet the needs of all kids, including those who are behind and advanced. AoPS does not.

So schools are going to start offering after school math enrichment to compensate for removing the opportunity from the school day curriculum? Kids can compete in private sports. No need for school teams unless they're accessible to all. They're tax payer funded after all.

True, I think PP spoke truth that after school sports are not core to school’s mission, so unless they are making money for the school, they need to go.

The funding, resources, and teacher staff needs to be migrated to core subjects to close the achievement gap and make Virginia education exceptional.

[Anonymous]

When is this being implemented? Have any other states done something similar and how was the actual differentiation?

[Anonymous]

So, how exactly will kids magically be prepared to take the most advanced math in 11th grade? Can someone explain this? If this is true, I will finally get my husband to agree to let our kids leave public school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if equity is that important, they're also going to make all school sports no-cut with equal playing time for all, right? Everyone should get an equal chance to play. After all, school sports use public funds.

If you want equity, don't apply it selectively to academics.

There is a huge difference between something mandatory, school, and something extra, sports. Our children are required to attend school and the school district is required to provide them with an education that meets their needs.

The school district is not required to provide extra curricular activities, like sports. It is an option. PE needs to be taught in a manner that is available to all the students, after school football/basketball/softball and the like do not.

Math in school needs to meet the needs of all kids, including those who are behind and advanced. AoPS does not.

So schools are going to start offering after school math enrichment to compensate for removing the opportunity from the school day curriculum? Kids can compete in private sports. No need for school teams unless they're accessible to all. They're tax payer funded after all.

True, I think PP spoke truth that after school sports are not core to school’s mission, so unless they are making money for the school, they need to go.

The funding, resources, and teacher staff needs to be migrated to core subjects to close the achievement gap and make Virginia education exceptional.

To be clear, I'm the PP and I was play devil's advocate. Personally I believe that kids should be given opportunities to excel in all areas--not every kid has the same interests and aptitudes. Let the math whiz live their best life and be challenged. Let the sports start play their best game. Let the well rounded dabbler dabble. Taking away opportunities for kids to find a place for themselves in school is detrimental to our community and learning as whole.

[Anonymous]

Why are they trying to tank VA education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Come on now DCUM Progressives, put your money where your mouth is.

This is equity, lowering the math curriculum content so all student outcomes are more equivalent in the end. This is fair for under-resourced minority families

Not all college courses and future employment need advanced math, and those that do need advanced math can be supplemented at home or wait to focus on advanced math in your kids Junior and Senior year. Your kids will be enriched by helping lower performing math students in mixed ability classes through their 10th grade.

Tracking advanced math students is racist since those students are predominantly white and Asian kids from UMC backgrounds. Public school is not about pushing/challenging these students. Public school is intended to bring students to a basic achievement level.

https://youtu.be/w4kowE_YIVw

+1000

Everyone screamed for "equity!", now you have equity so don't complain.

I'm not sure you know what equity means.

[Anonymous]

I am pro having a track that doesn't assume all kids need to take advanced math. The push for earlier and earlier Algebra I and every kid taking Algebra II is silly. I work in computing and don't use Algebra II in my every day life (though I took advanced math in college and could still use it if I needed to).

That said, taking away the chance for kids who are interested to take advanced math is ridiculous. One of my kids adores math and wants to be an aerospace engineer. Should she lose that chance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am pro having a track that doesn't assume all kids need to take advanced math. The push for earlier and earlier Algebra I and every kid taking Algebra II is silly. I work in computing and don't use Algebra II in my every day life (though I took advanced math in college and could still use it if I needed to).

That said, taking away the chance for kids who are interested to take advanced math is ridiculous. One of my kids adores math and wants to be an aerospace engineer. Should she lose that chance?

They will assume you take calc in college. That’s how it was at my rural southern school, and many grads went on to engineering.

It’s a waste and college will suck for your DD but not impossible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am pro having a track that doesn't assume all kids need to take advanced math. The push for earlier and earlier Algebra I and every kid taking Algebra II is silly. I work in computing and don't use Algebra II in my every day life (though I took advanced math in college and could still use it if I needed to).

Creating a standard track that wouldn't get kids prepared for calculus in college would be detrimental because kids could be derailed from being able to pursue a STEM major or attend a competitive college based on choices made in middle school, before they've even taken high school science classes (which IMO are far more interesting that elementary school science). In the US we generally don't allow kids to self select for a trade school path so early.

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Anonymous wrote:This is going to crater VA real estate. Hoardes will move to MD.

Ha! Zero chance MCPS sticks with "tracking" if VA gets rid of it. People would need to move to Howard or Frederick to escape it.
No, this will be great business for any private schools willing to open in the next few years (given that current ones are all full).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is going to crater VA real estate. Hoardes will move to MD.

Ha! Zero chance MCPS sticks with "tracking" if VA gets rid of it. People would need to move to Howard or Frederick to escape it.
No, this will be great business for any private schools willing to open in the next few years (given that current ones are all full).

This needs to become an issue in the VA governor's race. My guess is the people opposed to this are much more likely to vote based on this than the people who would support it.