Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

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Anonymous wrote:We're keeping our kids at home because we feel that the in-school operations are unsafe. If we feel that way for our kids then I can COMPLETELY understand why teachers feel that way for themselves. The kids who have gone back already are either 1) the kids whose moms want them out of the house because they are hellions, or 2) the kids who have special needs or need extra support. I think most of the kids are in the #1 category. No way do I want our kids in that mix and, again, I can completely understand why teachers would want to avoid them. I would, too.

+1 Our kids have taken a look at who is in the classrooms and there is absolutely no way that our kids want to be there with them.

I'm surprised you didn't just call out which races they saw.

Not that poster, but it might not be a racial divide at all. One of my kids is in a class with lots of children from our family’s racial background. The nice part about DL is that class clowns and behavior problems just didn’t show up at all. If their parents force them to come in-person, it’ll derail everything for everyone in-person and virtual.

In our school it is the school counselors who are actually recruiting the kids who are failing because they weren't showing up for online. Now those kids are in school acting out and the teacher has to deal not only with them but the whole rest of the class that is online. It is a hot mess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because it is way easier and more relaxing to work from home..saves time and money and there’s no financial or professional penalty. So they are riding the gravy train as long as they can.

+10000

Obviously not all teachers with many being back but plenty are riding the gravy train

The gravy train of... managing their own children’s online learning while trying to work? Or maybe the endless interruptions from spouses or partners in the house. I know, I know! The crushing existential dread of pandemic life.

I mean, come on. If working from home is a sinecure, I’ve definitely been screwed over. I really feel bad for teachers. They are in an untenable situation and they get to deal with people who think they understand education because they went to school 30 years ago critiquing their every move AND the crazy parents who are blaming them for the pandemic.

All for the princely sum of less than 75k/year.

+1 much less than 75k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think teachers can make a personal choice on this but yes it may effect whether not they have a job just like it would for the rest of us. The thing that has upset me the most this year is there is a representation by some, certainly not all, teachers that they are the only ones facing risk in the pandemic. I have gone to work every day in my very crowded government office and so have thousands of others who work on classified systems. We also did not sign up for it. We worked before the vaccines were even created. We changed our hours and made crazy schedules in order to be home for virtual school. But it often feels like a vocal group of teachers act like they’re the only ones taking risks and making sacrifices when the reality is they are one of the most protected groups during this. I think this is where the relationship with teachers went South for many parents.

Fed who has volunteered to go in when needed so my manager who is 65+ and a cancer survivor doesn’t and 1000% this. Public servants especially have always understood that the agency’s mission must be met. Otherwise, why are we there. And sometime, it can be met well from telework. And sometime it can’t. Lot of feds in this area are in person at least some, in building with crappy cleaning staffs, in cube mills amd it never dawned on us not to go. So, we’re over it from teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We're keeping our kids at home because we feel that the in-school operations are unsafe. If we feel that way for our kids then I can COMPLETELY understand why teachers feel that way for themselves. The kids who have gone back already are either 1) the kids whose moms want them out of the house because they are hellions, or 2) the kids who have special needs or need extra support. I think most of the kids are in the #1 category. No way do I want our kids in that mix and, again, I can completely understand why teachers would want to avoid them. I would, too.

+1 Our kids have taken a look at who is in the classrooms and there is absolutely no way that our kids want to be there with them.

I'm surprised you didn't just call out which races they saw.

Not that poster, but it might not be a racial divide at all. One of my kids is in a class with lots of children from our family’s racial background. The nice part about DL is that class clowns and behavior problems just didn’t show up at all. If their parents force them to come in-person, it’ll derail everything for everyone in-person and virtual.

In our school it is the school counselors who are actually recruiting the kids who are failing because they weren't showing up for online. Now those kids are in school acting out and the teacher has to deal not only with them but the whole rest of the class that is online. It is a hot mess.

At our school, the IPL slots were so limited that basically the only kids going in are the ones with IEPs and known behavior issues- hate to say it, but by 5th grade, kids know what’s up about other kids in their grade. In regular times, everyone is all mixed together (as it should be) but the consequence of the priority groups is that the IPL classes are all kids with issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We're keeping our kids at home because we feel that the in-school operations are unsafe. If we feel that way for our kids then I can COMPLETELY understand why teachers feel that way for themselves. The kids who have gone back already are either 1) the kids whose moms want them out of the house because they are hellions, or 2) the kids who have special needs or need extra support. I think most of the kids are in the #1 category. No way do I want our kids in that mix and, again, I can completely understand why teachers would want to avoid them. I would, too.

JFC. You’re insane.

Now do my HS junior with 4 APs maintaining a 3.9 UW this year. Strong introvert and no a single notation on her disciplinary record in 12 years. What’s you theory on why she went back?

I’ll let you ponder. While you do, I will note that I telework and love having her home. My office gave up space earlier this year and isn’t allowing people back. I feel isolated and enjoy having her in the house. She’s a great co-workers. I like to eat lunch with her. But when I get jammed up at work around lunch time, she’s been known to heat up lunch for me and drop it on my desk before heading down to her basement office.

Okay— here’s you answer. Because, it is socially, emotionally and academically better for her to be in school. And since I’m the adult parent, it isn’t about what I want. It’s about what’s best for her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think teachers can make a personal choice on this but yes it may effect whether not they have a job just like it would for the rest of us. The thing that has upset me the most this year is there is a representation by some, certainly not all, teachers that they are the only ones facing risk in the pandemic. I have gone to work every day in my very crowded government office and so have thousands of others who work on classified systems. We also did not sign up for it. We worked before the vaccines were even created. We changed our hours and made crazy schedules in order to be home for virtual school. But it often feels like a vocal group of teachers act like they’re the only ones taking risks and making sacrifices when the reality is they are one of the most protected groups during this. I think this is where the relationship with teachers went South for many parents.

Fed who has volunteered to go in when needed so my manager who is 65+ and a cancer survivor doesn’t and 1000% this. Public servants especially have always understood that the agency’s mission must be met. Otherwise, why are we there. And sometime, it can be met well from telework. And sometime it can’t. Lot of feds in this area are in person at least some, in building with crappy cleaning staffs, in cube mills amd it never dawned on us not to go. So, we’re over it from teachers.

Catholic school teachers across the country showed up, unvaccinated, and did their jobs in person from the beginning. Their school buildings and their air filtration systems are hardly state of the art. They deserve great credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're keeping our kids at home because we feel that the in-school operations are unsafe. If we feel that way for our kids then I can COMPLETELY understand why teachers feel that way for themselves. The kids who have gone back already are either 1) the kids whose moms want them out of the house because they are hellions, or 2) the kids who have special needs or need extra support. I think most of the kids are in the #1 category. No way do I want our kids in that mix and, again, I can completely understand why teachers would want to avoid them. I would, too.

+1 Our kids have taken a look at who is in the classrooms and there is absolutely no way that our kids want to be there with them.

I'm surprised you didn't just call out which races they saw.

Mostly white, high income fwiw

That matches the complaints pre-pandemic about who was being disruptive.

[Anonymous]

They do because they have no other choice. I prefer to work in a district where my union looks out for me. We returned to school with weekly asymptomatic testing and every teacher was able to get at least their first shot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're keeping our kids at home because we feel that the in-school operations are unsafe. If we feel that way for our kids then I can COMPLETELY understand why teachers feel that way for themselves. The kids who have gone back already are either 1) the kids whose moms want them out of the house because they are hellions, or 2) the kids who have special needs or need extra support. I think most of the kids are in the #1 category. No way do I want our kids in that mix and, again, I can completely understand why teachers would want to avoid them. I would, too.

+1 Our kids have taken a look at who is in the classrooms and there is absolutely no way that our kids want to be there with them.

I'm surprised you didn't just call out which races they saw.

Not that poster, but it might not be a racial divide at all. One of my kids is in a class with lots of children from our family’s racial background. The nice part about DL is that class clowns and behavior problems just didn’t show up at all. If their parents force them to come in-person, it’ll derail everything for everyone in-person and virtual.

In our school it is the school counselors who are actually recruiting the kids who are failing because they weren't showing up for online. Now those kids are in school acting out and the teacher has to deal not only with them but the whole rest of the class that is online. It is a hot mess.

At our school, the IPL slots were so limited that basically the only kids going in are the ones with IEPs and known behavior issues- hate to say it, but by 5th grade, kids know what’s up about other kids in their grade. In regular times, everyone is all mixed together (as it should be) but the consequence of the priority groups is that the IPL classes are all kids with issues.

Same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Construction is different as you are in a persons home or building and separated. Much easier to keep safe than with 30+ students to a room. You sound entitled. Hire a nanny.

Construction workers are not in people’s homes, and they can’t pay for nannies.

If you can’t do, teach.

[Anonymous]

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Because construction is usually more distant, more outdoors, and as you can imagine, it's a much harsher profession where workers can easily get fired for requesting the most basic protections.

I'm a parent, not a teacher, but I don't fault teachers for wanting more security in a roomful of little Covid spreaders...

Construction workers are not mostly distant either. Have you ever been on a site? If not, save it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think teachers can make a personal choice on this but yes it may effect whether not they have a job just like it would for the rest of us. The thing that has upset me the most this year is there is a representation by some, certainly not all, teachers that they are the only ones facing risk in the pandemic. I have gone to work every day in my very crowded government office and so have thousands of others who work on classified systems. We also did not sign up for it. We worked before the vaccines were even created. We changed our hours and made crazy schedules in order to be home for virtual school. But it often feels like a vocal group of teachers act like they’re the only ones taking risks and making sacrifices when the reality is they are one of the most protected groups during this. I think this is where the relationship with teachers went South for many parents.

Fed who has volunteered to go in when needed so my manager who is 65+ and a cancer survivor doesn’t and 1000% this. Public servants especially have always understood that the agency’s mission must be met. Otherwise, why are we there. And sometime, it can be met well from telework. And sometime it can’t. Lot of feds in this area are in person at least some, in building with crappy cleaning staffs, in cube mills amd it never dawned on us not to go. So, we’re over it from teachers.

Catholic school teachers across the country showed up, unvaccinated, and did their jobs in person from the beginning. Their school buildings and their air filtration systems are hardly state of the art. They deserve great credit.

Or, they don't deserve credit for behaving badly during a pandemic and not caring about the community.

[Anonymous]

Catholic school teachers don’t have a union to defend them. That’s why. I am friends with lots of private and Catholic school teachers and they all felt railroaded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think teachers can make a personal choice on this but yes it may effect whether not they have a job just like it would for the rest of us. The thing that has upset me the most this year is there is a representation by some, certainly not all, teachers that they are the only ones facing risk in the pandemic. I have gone to work every day in my very crowded government office and so have thousands of others who work on classified systems. We also did not sign up for it. We worked before the vaccines were even created. We changed our hours and made crazy schedules in order to be home for virtual school. But it often feels like a vocal group of teachers act like they’re the only ones taking risks and making sacrifices when the reality is they are one of the most protected groups during this. I think this is where the relationship with teachers went South for many parents.

Fed who has volunteered to go in when needed so my manager who is 65+ and a cancer survivor doesn’t and 1000% this. Public servants especially have always understood that the agency’s mission must be met. Otherwise, why are we there. And sometime, it can be met well from telework. And sometime it can’t. Lot of feds in this area are in person at least some, in building with crappy cleaning staffs, in cube mills amd it never dawned on us not to go. So, we’re over it from teachers.

And many feds in other agencies are and have been working from home, many of them in positions previously thought to be ineligible for telework.

P.S. No one cares that you're "over it from teachers," including teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Construction is different as you are in a persons home or building and separated. Much easier to keep safe than with 30+ students to a room. You sound entitled. Hire a nanny.

Construction workers are not in people’s homes, and they can’t pay for nannies.

If you can’t do, teach.

Construction workers work in large spaces with adults, often outside. Teachers work in enclosed petri dishes with kids who won't cooperate and admin who won't allow them to be made to cooperate. Google "prolonged indoor exposure + COVID" and maybe then you'll understand the difference between construction work and teaching in a pandemic. Thanks ever so.

If you went to school 20-30 years ago, it doesn't mean you know jack about the profession of teaching, including that idiotic backwards bumper sticker slogan you just dropped. How embarrassing for you.