The Talk put on hiatus thanks to Sharon Osbourne

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Anonymous wrote:This is the conversation that got her in deep shit -- really...blowing up your career over Piers Morgan

She asked for an example of him saying racists stuff. I didn’t hear any examples....

So no example, then blame Sharon. Wow

If Sharon is confused, she can do a quick Google search. Demanding a black woman to explain why this extreme white man is racist? It doesn’t make Sharon racist but her privilege and ignorance shines.

The black woman (Underwood) made the assertion - yet provided zero examples of racism. None. Osbourne had every right to be offended and disgusted. You don’t get a pass for rudely accusing someone of something they haven’t done just because you’re black.

So you didn’t actually watch the video? Bc it’s pretty clear Sheryl was trying to explain what could be construed as racist and Sharon didn’t want to hear it. Sharon screeched, wailed, cussed and wouldn’t even let her speak. And the comment that Sheryl can’t cry was ridiculous but Sharon sure knows how to play a victim and make it all about her.

Sharon made her bed by defending an as*hole of a man. A man who reached crazy stalker level by being so loud in his hate of someone he barely knows. A man who can most certainly stand up for himself. Piers didn’t need Sharon to take his side. Sharon should’ve kept her mouth close. She wanted everyone to know she stands with Piers. Now she can stand there alone and look as stupid as he does.

Interestingly, I somewhat agree with your last paragraph. Morgan is a vile, nasty bully and I personally would never want to be friends with someone like that. However, the accusations of racism are truly ridiculous. If he had said the same things about a white woman - behaved in the same aggressive, sick way - we’d be calling him out for it. But “racism” wouldn’t even be a consideration. There is nothing he has said about MM that relates to her race, in any way. At some point, when is “racism” going to stop being the go-to for so many of you?? Call the man a a$hole, but you don’t need to fabricate additional outrage.

Your understanding of what makes someone racist is surface level at best. The fact is, he didn't say the same things about a white woman, and that isn't what we're talking about. You cannot divorce her race from the issue.

It's like when you find yourself in a sexist, misogynistic environment. You can see it in the little things that are said and done, but if you point out every one of those little things, people will gaslight you with plausible explanations. But you still know what's going on, even if it isn't egregious or obvious enough for a well meaning man to also see it. Racism can work this way too.

Yeah sorry, but no. It doesn’t work that way. Racism isn’t a feeling you feel and then assign to someone. You have to be able to prove it with concrete facts and examples.

I didn't say it's merely a feeling. It's often the culmination of a lot of little things, that taken in isolation, can easily be dismissed with plausible explanations. There are people like you who won't accept as racism unless it involves a racial slur and a Klan hood.

+1 yep 👏👏👏

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Anonymous wrote:This is the conversation that got her in deep shit -- really...blowing up your career over Piers Morgan

She asked for an example of him saying racists stuff. I didn’t hear any examples....

So no example, then blame Sharon. Wow

If Sharon is confused, she can do a quick Google search. Demanding a black woman to explain why this extreme white man is racist? It doesn’t make Sharon racist but her privilege and ignorance shines.

The black woman (Underwood) made the assertion - yet provided zero examples of racism. None. Osbourne had every right to be offended and disgusted. You don’t get a pass for rudely accusing someone of something they haven’t done just because you’re black.

So you didn’t actually watch the video? Bc it’s pretty clear Sheryl was trying to explain what could be construed as racist and Sharon didn’t want to hear it. Sharon screeched, wailed, cussed and wouldn’t even let her speak. And the comment that Sheryl can’t cry was ridiculous but Sharon sure knows how to play a victim and make it all about her.

Sharon made her bed by defending an as*hole of a man. A man who reached crazy stalker level by being so loud in his hate of someone he barely knows. A man who can most certainly stand up for himself. Piers didn’t need Sharon to take his side. Sharon should’ve kept her mouth close. She wanted everyone to know she stands with Piers. Now she can stand there alone and look as stupid as he does.

Interestingly, I somewhat agree with your last paragraph. Morgan is a vile, nasty bully and I personally would never want to be friends with someone like that. However, the accusations of racism are truly ridiculous. If he had said the same things about a white woman - behaved in the same aggressive, sick way - we’d be calling him out for it. But “racism” wouldn’t even be a consideration. There is nothing he has said about MM that relates to her race, in any way. At some point, when is “racism” going to stop being the go-to for so many of you?? Call the man a a$hole, but you don’t need to fabricate additional outrage.

+1. I know it feels good to point your finger and accuse someone else of racism. It makes you feel like you’re a righteous warrior for justice.

But you need to be able to identify the racism. You need to be able to provide specific examples. Otherwise you’re cheapening the accusation, and that does real damage to actual victims of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

For both Sharon and Piers, the racism was present in their agrssive interupting POC who were trying to explain to them their biased behavior. The racism was literally on display. If you can't see it, it doesn't mean it is not there.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

What would constitute "proof"? Who gets to decide?

Because right now it seems like white people get to decide, and only the most obvious and egregious examples count, while the real every day experiences of racism get dismissed as not being "actual racism" and we're told not to "cheapen" the accusation of racism.

Every person gets to decide for themselves. We all have free will. But accusations alone are never sufficient. If you throw around accusations of racism but don’t or can’t back them up, it becomes a “boy who cried wolf” situation. You’re not actually helping black people by making accusations of racism that you can’t support.

For both Sharon and Piers, the racism was present in their agrssive interupting POC who were trying to explain to them their biased behavior. The racism was literally on display. If you can't see it, it doesn't mean it is not there.

Piers and Sharon aggressively interrupt lots of non-black people too. They do it all the time. If they treat people the same regardless of race, then they’re not being racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Sharon gave Sheryl an opportunity to explain where she heard Piers making racist comments. “Educate me” is a way to give somebody an opportunity to explain themselves. If everyone in the world reads into implications, reactions, and tone, there are going to be a lot of disgruntled people. Why can’t people just be taken at face value for the words they actually use—not how someone feels or interprets those words.

No. Educate me is a demand that someone do work for you when if you weren't so set in your world views and obstinate - you would have seen it already yourself.

Educate me is a demand to take your thoughts, actions, and history on the subject and condense it for a person who couldn't be bothered to think beyond their own circumstances.

Educate me is nothing but a gaslighting tactic and Sharon, if she hasn't been blind for 3 years, is well aware of what her 'friend' Pierce has been doing this whole time.

yes, here we go. White people, especially women, are not allowed to ask for anything from POC because they "shouldn't have to do the work for you". So Sharon is ignorant and will only go further down that hole because nobody is treating each other with respect here. Also, these people on TV are provocative trash. Of course Piers is saying ridiculous stuff, but that's his god damn job. And us idiots spend our time watching these dumb people spew nonsense on TV. Whatever.

The worst part is when other women call someone Karen as though they are completely ignorant to the fact that this is a sexist slur. If Black women are ever going to have full rights and opportunities, ALL women need them. It goes both ways, as you say. The traditional feminist movement can't happen without all women historically meant stop leaving WOC out. But you can't do it while also saying white women are trash which is the opinion de rigueur.

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For both Sharon and Piers, the racism was present in their agrssive interupting POC who were trying to explain to them their biased behavior. The racism was literally on display. If you can't see it, it doesn't mean it is not there.

Works both ways. Cheryl could have given specific examples of Piers' racism if there are any. Simply criticizing Meghan is not an example of racism. I always liked her-from what I saw. I watched the wedding and thought it was lovely. I thought she was lovely. When they pulled their split last summer, I did not understand. It appeared to me that they wanted to have their cake and eat it, too. I watched the interview and felt she was lying.

1. She lost me with the attack on Kate. She could have minimized it by saying that both were in tears--which, I am guessing was what really happened.
2. Her story about not googling Harry was also questionable. Maybe she didn't google him, but she certainly would have found out as much as she could about him. I was a young, single woman once. I don't remember any of my girlfriends who did not want to know as much as possible about the man they loved.
3. Her story about not knowing much about Diana also smells. She was 16. I cannot imagine any starstruck young woman not being fascinated with Diana.
4. Meghan clearly enjoys her celebrity--why else do the interview with her dress that cost thousands of dollars? And, those extremely high heels on a pregnant woman? This gal is all about image.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the conversation that got her in deep shit -- really...blowing up your career over Piers Morgan

She asked for an example of him saying racists stuff. I didn’t hear any examples....

So no example, then blame Sharon. Wow

If Sharon is confused, she can do a quick Google search. Demanding a black woman to explain why this extreme white man is racist? It doesn’t make Sharon racist but her privilege and ignorance shines.

The black woman (Underwood) made the assertion - yet provided zero examples of racism. None. Osbourne had every right to be offended and disgusted. You don’t get a pass for rudely accusing someone of something they haven’t done just because you’re black.

So you didn’t actually watch the video? Bc it’s pretty clear Sheryl was trying to explain what could be construed as racist and Sharon didn’t want to hear it. Sharon screeched, wailed, cussed and wouldn’t even let her speak. And the comment that Sheryl can’t cry was ridiculous but Sharon sure knows how to play a victim and make it all about her.

Sharon made her bed by defending an as*hole of a man. A man who reached crazy stalker level by being so loud in his hate of someone he barely knows. A man who can most certainly stand up for himself. Piers didn’t need Sharon to take his side. Sharon should’ve kept her mouth close. She wanted everyone to know she stands with Piers. Now she can stand there alone and look as stupid as he does.

Interestingly, I somewhat agree with your last paragraph. Morgan is a vile, nasty bully and I personally would never want to be friends with someone like that. However, the accusations of racism are truly ridiculous. If he had said the same things about a white woman - behaved in the same aggressive, sick way - we’d be calling him out for it. But “racism” wouldn’t even be a consideration. There is nothing he has said about MM that relates to her race, in any way. At some point, when is “racism” going to stop being the go-to for so many of you?? Call the man a a$hole, but you don’t need to fabricate additional outrage.

Your understanding of what makes someone racist is surface level at best. The fact is, he didn't say the same things about a white woman, and that isn't what we're talking about. You cannot divorce her race from the issue.

It's like when you find yourself in a sexist, misogynistic environment. You can see it in the little things that are said and done, but if you point out every one of those little things, people will gaslight you with plausible explanations. But you still know what's going on, even if it isn't egregious or obvious enough for a well meaning man to also see it. Racism can work this way too.

Yeah sorry, but no. It doesn’t work that way. Racism isn’t a feeling you feel and then assign to someone. You have to be able to prove it with concrete facts and examples.

I didn't say it's merely a feeling. It's often the culmination of a lot of little things, that taken in isolation, can easily be dismissed with plausible explanations. There are people like you who won't accept as racism unless it involves a racial slur and a Klan hood.

+1 yep 👏👏👏

This is true, but we have a specific situation here where there weren't even any examples given AT ALL. So... Piers and Sharon are both stupid and ridiculous, but that doesn't mean you just get to cancel them with no evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

Well there seems to be enough evidence for everyone, except you.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Sharon gave Sheryl an opportunity to explain where she heard Piers making racist comments. “Educate me” is a way to give somebody an opportunity to explain themselves. If everyone in the world reads into implications, reactions, and tone, there are going to be a lot of disgruntled people. Why can’t people just be taken at face value for the words they actually use—not how someone feels or interprets those words.

No. Educate me is a demand that someone do work for you when if you weren't so set in your world views and obstinate - you would have seen it already yourself.

Educate me is a demand to take your thoughts, actions, and history on the subject and condense it for a person who couldn't be bothered to think beyond their own circumstances.

Educate me is nothing but a gaslighting tactic and Sharon, if she hasn't been blind for 3 years, is well aware of what her 'friend' Pierce has been doing this whole time.

And what racist acts has Morgan been engaged in? We’re all still waiting yet you seem completely unable to list them.

NP. I hope that PP doesn’t waste her thumb muscle responding to your arrogance. Minorities do not need your acknowledgement or agreement to accept reality and still thrive in it. So — your loss. Go back to sleep. Lights out, baby!

So do white people need acknowledgement or agreement to say their reality is it's racist to target whites and demand they be cancelled when no evidence is given as to their wrongdoing? I mean, that's Sharon's reality. If a white person says something stupid, it can just be something stupid. It doesn't have to be racist because you all know that's the nuclear option that destroys their careers. I don't actually care because all these idiots should go home and be quiet, but just think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the conversation that got her in deep shit -- really...blowing up your career over Piers Morgan

She asked for an example of him saying racists stuff. I didn’t hear any examples....

So no example, then blame Sharon. Wow

You heard the co-host. It was the implication, reaction, and imo - the tone - for his complete dismissal of Meghan Markle as well as his absurd hounding.

It is possible to "completely dismiss" what someone is saying without being a racist. And I think Piers Morgan is a horrible journalist absolutely vile, but I don't think he is a racist. And I also think Sharon was right but she was aggressive and that's unacceptable.

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Best part about this whole thing is, if you grow up in a racist system so it's ingrained in you, but you're doing your best... you make one single racial microagression in public and your entire life is over.

But walk all over women, put them down, physically assault them, and nobody cares. We are so hyper focused on race, we can't even see the damage we are doing to women (white and Black alike) with the misogyny that is part of the movement.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Morgan is probably motivated in part by racism. He sees Meghan as lesser and that's why he was so shocked at her rejection.

I don't think it's possible to prove this, though. If I were a juror listening to my own reasons for my relatively intense dislike of Piers, I wouldn't vote in my favor because the burden of proof hasn't been met.

So while it seems obvious to me that race is an issue in this, I get why others don't think it is so obvious.

That's the problem with issues of race often. I can know very well that it's at the root of someone's problem with me because of the little issues of tone, word choice, discrepancies between how they treat me vs. white people. But then if I say so and so is a racist, I have to have "proof" of their racism in the form of them using a slur. It's ridiculous.

A major factor in his problems with Meghan are rooted in issues of race. I know it. You know it. Sharon knows it. Someone can be racist and not have used a slur.

Yes. Anytime you want to accuse someone of racism, you should have proof of their racism. In general, you shouldn’t accuse people of anything unless you have evidence.

Well there seems to be enough evidence for everyone, except you.

and me, there's not enough, in fact there is zero evidence of actual "racism" for me too