Does the Lee in W & L ruin it?

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Anonymous wrote:It depends entirely on what your DC wants to study. Business school, law school, medical school, journalism, etc., it will not be a problem.

If you want to work in a more liberal field like education or marketing, yes, it will affect your employability in certain parts of the country.

It’s one of the best liberal arts schools in the country. No, it is not going to affect your employability.

But by all means, tell yourself your child’s Radford degree is more valuable because it’s not racist.

Ha!

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

My DD is interested in being an athletic recruit at W&L. The coach said she should score a 31 or better on the ACT. So yes, I think it’s pretty hard to get into.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t ruin it, but when I encounter a white, male (and some females but not all) W&L grad I do make certain assumptions.

Of course you do.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD has been selected as a Johnson scholarship finalist. If DD wins the scholarship, it is a free ride for all 4 years, plus additional opportunities. While we are able to afford to send our DD to college, saving this much money on their education would be incredibly beneficial.

We have been concerned about the stereotypes of the school and told our DD that if she is accepted to a college she prefers more, she should go where she wishes.

Due to covid, we have been unable to visit W&L (or pretty much any colleges). But a visit will be imperative before DD decides.

I was a Johnson Scholar and graduated a few years ago.

It’s an opportunity that I would not pass up. Many students are there for the quality education, not for the fraternities. The professors are mostly excellent and the opportunities on a campus of its size are unparalleled.

And that all may be true. But, there’s a reason they have to buy talent with such a high ranking. The white male frat boy stereotypes aren’t wrong and are probably fine in white male frat boy fields. Would I send one of my kids? No. Not even for free.

You’re “sending” your kids? They don’t choose their own colleges? Yikes.

Most people $end their kids to college. Ye$

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

My DD is interested in being an athletic recruit at W&L. The coach said she should score a 31 or better on the ACT. So yes, I think it’s pretty hard to get into.

For a selective college, 31 is not great. My DD did better than fall of junior year cold, while carrying a 26 (ouch!) in science.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

My DD is interested in being an athletic recruit at W&L. The coach said she should score a 31 or better on the ACT. So yes, I think it’s pretty hard to get into.

For a selective college, 31 is not great. My DD did better than fall of junior year cold, while carrying a 26 (ouch!) in science.

I just looked it up, and it appears that it is a lot more selective than what I remember it being back when I was in HS, if the stats are correct. I think the Lee association will turn off more potential applicants than in the past, though. I'm not sure if it would make me throw away an entire full-ride scholarship, though, like the PP has, if it were between that and borrowing money.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

My DD is interested in being an athletic recruit at W&L. The coach said she should score a 31 or better on the ACT. So yes, I think it’s pretty hard to get into.

For a selective college, 31 is not great. My DD did better than fall of junior year cold, while carrying a 26 (ouch!) in science.

Athletic recruits are generally expected to get to the 25th percentile. 31 is at or above most NESCAC’s 25th percentile. So I guess the NESCACs are not great.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

Yes. It’s hard to get into and ranked as the best university in Virginia. More selective than UVa or W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD has been selected as a Johnson scholarship finalist. If DD wins the scholarship, it is a free ride for all 4 years, plus additional opportunities. While we are able to afford to send our DD to college, saving this much money on their education would be incredibly beneficial.

We have been concerned about the stereotypes of the school and told our DD that if she is accepted to a college she prefers more, she should go where she wishes.

Due to covid, we have been unable to visit W&L (or pretty much any colleges). But a visit will be imperative before DD decides.

I was a Johnson Scholar and graduated a few years ago.

It’s an opportunity that I would not pass up. Many students are there for the quality education, not for the fraternities. The professors are mostly excellent and the opportunities on a campus of its size are unparalleled.

And that all may be true. But, there’s a reason they have to buy talent with such a high ranking. The white male frat boy stereotypes aren’t wrong and are probably fine in white male frat boy fields. Would I send one of my kids? No. Not even for free.

You’re “sending” your kids? They don’t choose their own colleges? Yikes.

Most people $end their kids to college. Ye$

If by send you mean allow or disallow certain schools, then no. Just the lunatics.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

Yes. It’s hard to get into and ranked as the best university in Virginia. More selective than UVa or W&M.

By which rankings??? US News and World Report has UVA and W&M as National Universities but W&L as a Liberal Arts College so totally different categories.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

Yes. It’s hard to get into and ranked as the best university in Virginia. More selective than UVa or W&M.

I'm not sure that W&L would be "best" in VA. That seems a little far-fetched. UVA and W&M are public universities and are completely different types of schools than W&L. I think you could say that W&L is the best "private" university in VA and then Richmond would probably be 2nd.

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Anonymous wrote:While you're at it, better change your names too if your last names are Washington or Lee.

And change "Washington Football Team" to "Football Team".

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Anonymous wrote:Is it hard to get into? In my day 20 years ago it wasn't, really - especially if you could pay for it, but I know a lot has changed.

Yes. It’s hard to get into and ranked as the best university in Virginia. More selective than UVa or W&M.

I'm not sure that W&L would be "best" in VA. That seems a little far-fetched. UVA and W&M are public universities and are completely different types of schools than W&L. I think you could say that W&L is the best "private" university in VA and then Richmond would probably be 2nd.

Niche has UVA #1, W&L #2, W&M #3...

[Anonymous]

Oh who cares. Most great architecture in history was built with slave labor of some sort. Should we tear it all down. We’ve all lost our minds. Focus on treating people in your real life fairly and kindly instead of on divisive woke-ism.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh who cares. Most great architecture in history was built with slave labor of some sort. Should we tear it all down. We’ve all lost our minds. Focus on treating people in your real life fairly and kindly instead of on divisive woke-ism.

Well, many people do care. It’s not that the Lee in the name. It’s the Grand Old South atmosphere that refuses to acknowledge they lost the War of Northern Aggression. The school is proud of its heritage, and Lee’s presidency and the gravesite and make no effort to put in context. Which is fine. It’s private. It’s a free country. Spend your money and send your kid there. But many people are not okay with the harkening back to the confederacy aspects of the school and take real issue with that southern white mentality. It’s says something about the kid who chooses to attend. You’re right. It’s a selective school. I’m sure every kid there had other options. They chose W&L, which is so frat boy southern.

People are judged by the choices they make and the college they attend. If so many kids weren’t chasing that, why would this Board exist? And most W&L grads had choices. They made theirs. Liberty grads made theirs. Harvard grads made theirs. Smith grads made theirs. Etc And every grad school and future employer will use that as a proxy. It might not be fair. But, I encourage my kid to make theirs and attend a college they feel proud of. You should to. If it’s W&L, I’m sure you have your reasons and you don’t need to defend them. Unless, you think you do?