Regular decision at UVA

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Anonymous wrote:DS HAS GPA 4.3 AND SAT 1430 WITH A FAIR AMOUNT OF GOOD ECS, APPLIED FOR CS, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES FOR ACCEPTANCE.

Depends on essays, course load rigor, and high school. The chance is certainly not zero as the PP said. We had lots of defers at our high school during the EA round. Many schools don't do class rank, but your son needs to be in the top 5%. A 4.3 at our high school is top 10%. We have a 6 point grading scale, so GPAs can be misleading.

According to the GPA/SAT comparison, OP's son likely doesn't have the course/school rigor such as those at TJ. So the chance is slim.

You can't compare GPA until you know the high school.

Here's an example from this year:

Lots of kids in our high school were deferred during EA. Only 4 kids got in that we know of so far (I think there are a few more, but can't confirm). Those GPAs range from 4.3 - 4.5. My DS (4.39, test optional) got in, but some kids with 4.5s didn't. To have a fighting chance, you need to be in the top 5% of the class. You simply can't look at stats and determine who has a chance and who doesn't. A 4.5 in our school is just about a 4.0 UW. I'd have to do the math, but a 4.6 is just about the max you can get to with some of the required 4.0 weighted classes.

A few governor's schools go over 6.0, especially if you are taking college courses at a local community college your high school year.

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you need to be in the top 5% of the class

This is all that matters. Coming from a NoVa public, this is all that matters. Where are you in class. YEAH I KNOW, it is said FCPS doesn't rank students. I believe that but there is still *some* way or colleges to know.

Not saying the number is 5%. In a better year it might be 10%. No student from a NoVa public who's out of the top 15-20% of their class, unless a recruited athlete/URM, need not apply. Look out of state. For a NoVa student where UVA is a reach, a possible waitliist, that student can attend out of state with merit aid for less total cost.

UVA knows because each high school sends a "school profile" to the colleges and universities early in the season or with the application. The profile shows the number and types of AP courses offered, a bar graph as to how many students take those classes, what the grades in those classes are, and then the final GPA coming out of Junior year. It takes any college less than 30 seconds to figure out by comparing transcript to the profile where your students stands in terms of rank. Also the counselor in his or her mandatory letter of recommendation has to check off a "did this student take the most rigorous courses offered at your high school" or "very rigorous" and down the line. UVA wants to see the most rigorous box checked off (as do any of the top colleges) .

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Anonymous wrote:Zero.

Rude

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Anonymous wrote:Zero.

Rude

True, and there seem to be a lot of rude trolls on "Colleges and Universities" lately, but OP's son is below the 75th percentile of enrolled last fall (normal year, except for those taking a gap year) which was a 4.48, ergo 25th of the class walking around has a GPA that is higher. And he didn't hit the 75th percentile mark for incoming students with SAT at 1490, either. So unlikely. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my gosh, can we have a new thread so we don't start over on this one?

Why don't you do it. "UVA RD results please"

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Anonymous wrote:Dean J’s blog announced that RD comes out tomorrow.

Any idea when these decisions usually post? I know it says after office hours, but curious when it has happened in the past.

5 PM, just start checking the portal as we never received an email.

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Here's what I'm wrestling with. I think UVA has gone overboard this year with the first-generation segment of applicants. We know UVA received almost 50,000 applications, a 17 percent increase this year. Out of the ED applications (38% increase), 968 were accepted. A few were rejected. The rest were deferred. Then 28,897 students applied for EA. 21,048 of those applications came from OOS. 18% OOS students were offered a slot.

But a whopping 692 first-generationers (remember the entire class is 3,750) were offered and ED or EA slot. I could be wrong but I don't think admissions has been transparent about how many of the first-generation students were EA or ED.

So with a class of 3,750, you first have to subtract those that took a gap year due to covid. Let's just say 200. the ED (minus or take a few that bowed out due to finances). Now, take 3,550 and subtract the EDs of 968 and you are down to 2,582. You have now a 6000 accepted EA (no one knows in this year how many of them will show up - family finances will play a huge party). So you are now in negative territory (2,582 - 6,000). Also you have those students who were deferred, not rejected from ED. If one-half of those 6,000 showed up, UVA is still over subscribed. If a third show up, then there are 582 slots left for ED deferred, EA deferred and RD. Now toss in the athletes (may already be in), URM, more low-income, Blue Ridge Scholars, the Jefferson Scholars, rich daddys who have made calls and it increasingly becomes an imposible situation for those like OP's kid.

What I'm pondering and haven't settled on a decision yet is why are so many slots going to in-state and OOS first-generation students? 692 slots for a class of 3,750 seems extreme. I'm a first-generation student (and white) and back then it didn't count for squat. No one even thought of it. Yes, I understand USN&WR now uses this category as a "social mobility" factor, but why are we rewarding students simply because their parents didn't finish college? Mine didn't. My grandfather didn't even finish middle school because his father died and he had to take care of the farm. VT is also doing the same.

I think -all things being equal - there are other more important subcategories in Admissions such as URM, Blue Ridge Scholars (disadvantaged and poor), etc. etc. Why is first-generation now so hot. Even as of 2015, 54% of all students were first-generationers (although most of us didn't know it). And only 14-16% of those were minorities.
https://firstgen.naspa.org/research-and-policy/national-data-fact-sheets-on-first-generation-college-students/national-data-fact-sheets. That may have changed. So I don't think you can say this is pushing race issues. Is this all just because USN&WR added the social mobility criteria and schools must now report the number to USN&WR.

But where does that leave the superstars at Virginia's top public and private schools. Or the TJ superstars? It's happening at TJ too. The Commonwealth's top kids aren't getting into the flagship or the state's best tech school. Is this right? I'm very proud of the fact that I am self-made with no help from anyone along the way. I should not have been rewarded that my parents did not graduate from college. And I was low-income too.

What do you think (and don't make this a DCUM yelling match). I'm genuinely curious.

Another step I think needs to be taken is to increase the number of seats at Virginian schools as other states have. Texas is top 6% of public high school class (a fairer one than Virginia's - and easier on the students and the parents); California has virtually pushed out all the OOS when the voters got fed up paying for a very good system (UC, Cal State, Community college) but their own chldren couldn't get in. UVA is still at 35%OOS and I bet that a lot of them are the first-generation students that Jim Ryan is so keen on admitting.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/historic-application-year-uva-offers-early-action-admission-more-6000

[Anonymous]

^^ meant to say Virginia Tech three paragraphs above, not TJ. And I am being sincere (I have no horse in the race this year or every again). What do you think of the first-generation preference. Should one-this of the student body be devoted to this?

[Anonymous]

What do you do that you have time to write all that out and are you hiring?

[Anonymous]

I'm not copying your whole post because...what the heck.

But where does that leave the superstars at Virginia's top public and private schools. Or the TJ superstars? It's happening at TJ too. The Commonwealth's top kids aren't getting into the flagship or the state's best tech school. Is this right? I'm very proud of the fact that I am self-made with no help from anyone along the way. I should not have been rewarded that my parents did not graduate from college. And I was low-income too.

What do you think (and don't make this a DCUM yelling match). I'm genuinely curious.

Another step I think needs to be taken is to increase the number of seats at Virginian schools as other states have. Texas is top 6% of public high school class (a fairer one than Virginia's - and easier on the students and the parents); California has virtually pushed out all the OOS when the voters got fed up paying for a very good system (UC, Cal State, Community college) but their own chldren couldn't get in. UVA is still at 35%OOS and I bet that a lot of them are the first-generation students that Jim Ryan is so keen on admitting.

The superstars get it. I think there are people who are kidding themselves about whether their kid is one.

I also think there are plenty of spots at the public universities in Virginia. Everyone can't go to UVA, but I'm going to bet that there are enough spots at the universities in Virginia overall for those who want them. In the summer, someone always posts the area colleges that still have open spots and the list is substantial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not copying your whole post because...what the heck.

But where does that leave the superstars at Virginia's top public and private schools. Or the TJ superstars? It's happening at TJ too. The Commonwealth's top kids aren't getting into the flagship or the state's best tech school. Is this right? I'm very proud of the fact that I am self-made with no help from anyone along the way. I should not have been rewarded that my parents did not graduate from college. And I was low-income too.

What do you think (and don't make this a DCUM yelling match). I'm genuinely curious.

Another step I think needs to be taken is to increase the number of seats at Virginian schools as other states have. Texas is top 6% of public high school class (a fairer one than Virginia's - and easier on the students and the parents); California has virtually pushed out all the OOS when the voters got fed up paying for a very good system (UC, Cal State, Community college) but their own chldren couldn't get in. UVA is still at 35%OOS and I bet that a lot of them are the first-generation students that Jim Ryan is so keen on admitting.

The superstars get it. I think there are people who are kidding themselves about whether their kid is one.

I also think there are plenty of spots at the public universities in Virginia. Everyone can't go to UVA, but I'm going to bet that there are enough spots at the universities in Virginia overall for those who want them. In the summer, someone always posts the area colleges that still have open spots and the list is substantial.

Both true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you do that you have time to write all that out and are you hiring?

Retired education lawyer and columnist. Sadly not hiring.

[Anonymous]

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The superstars get it. I think there are people who are kidding themselves about whether their kid is one.

I also think there are plenty of spots at the public universities in Virginia. Everyone can't go to UVA, but I'm going to bet that there are enough spots at the universities in Virginia overall for those who want them. In the summer, someone always posts the area colleges that still have open spots and the list is substantial.

[url=https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/878753.page]
Found this from last year.[/url]

11 Maryland Schools on the list:
Allegany
Frostburg State
Garrett
Goucher
Hood
Salisbury
Stevenson
Towson
UMBC
UBaltimore
UMES (Eastern Shore)

17 Virginia Schools
Bluefield
Bridgewater
Eastern Mennonite
Hollins
Longwood
Mary Baldwin
Marymount
Norfolk State
Radford
Randolph (in Lynchburg)
Randolph-Macon (in Ashland)
Sweet Briar
ULynchburg
Mary Washington
UVA Wise
Virginia Wesleyan
W&L (this is a surprise!)

[Anonymous]

^^ UVA needs to increase its share of first-generation students to compete with UCLA and UMich. It will improve its US news ranking. 695 offered in EA/ED round is actually not that many. UVA makes roughly 9000 offers each year. So it's not even 10%. UVA's yield is only around 40%. Don't equate the admitted number with the final enrollment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's what I'm wrestling with. I think UVA has gone overboard this year with the first-generation segment of applicants. We know UVA received almost 50,000 applications, a 17 percent increase this year. Out of the ED applications (38% increase), 968 were accepted. A few were rejected. The rest were deferred. Then 28,897 students applied for EA. 21,048 of those applications came from OOS. 18% OOS students were offered a slot.

But a whopping 692 first-generationers (remember the entire class is 3,750) were offered and ED or EA slot. I could be wrong but I don't think admissions has been transparent about how many of the first-generation students were EA or ED.

So with a class of 3,750, you first have to subtract those that took a gap year due to covid. Let's just say 200. the ED (minus or take a few that bowed out due to finances). Now, take 3,550 and subtract the EDs of 968 and you are down to 2,582. You have now a 6000 accepted EA (no one knows in this year how many of them will show up - family finances will play a huge party). So you are now in negative territory (2,582 - 6,000). Also you have those students who were deferred, not rejected from ED. If one-half of those 6,000 showed up, UVA is still over subscribed. If a third show up, then there are 582 slots left for ED deferred, EA deferred and RD. Now toss in the athletes (may already be in), URM, more low-income, Blue Ridge Scholars, the Jefferson Scholars, rich daddys who have made calls and it increasingly becomes an imposible situation for those like OP's kid.

What I'm pondering and haven't settled on a decision yet is why are so many slots going to in-state and OOS first-generation students? 692 slots for a class of 3,750 seems extreme. I'm a first-generation student (and white) and back then it didn't count for squat. No one even thought of it. Yes, I understand USN&WR now uses this category as a "social mobility" factor, but why are we rewarding students simply because their parents didn't finish college? Mine didn't. My grandfather didn't even finish middle school because his father died and he had to take care of the farm. VT is also doing the same.

I think -all things being equal - there are other more important subcategories in Admissions such as URM, Blue Ridge Scholars (disadvantaged and poor), etc. etc. Why is first-generation now so hot. Even as of 2015, 54% of all students were first-generationers (although most of us didn't know it). And only 14-16% of those were minorities.
https://firstgen.naspa.org/research-and-policy/national-data-fact-sheets-on-first-generation-college-students/national-data-fact-sheets. That may have changed. So I don't think you can say this is pushing race issues. Is this all just because USN&WR added the social mobility criteria and schools must now report the number to USN&WR.

But where does that leave the superstars at Virginia's top public and private schools. Or the TJ superstars? It's happening at TJ too. The Commonwealth's top kids aren't getting into the flagship or the state's best tech school. Is this right? I'm very proud of the fact that I am self-made with no help from anyone along the way. I should not have been rewarded that my parents did not graduate from college. And I was low-income too.

What do you think (and don't make this a DCUM yelling match). I'm genuinely curious.

Another step I think needs to be taken is to increase the number of seats at Virginian schools as other states have. Texas is top 6% of public high school class (a fairer one than Virginia's - and easier on the students and the parents); California has virtually pushed out all the OOS when the voters got fed up paying for a very good system (UC, Cal State, Community college) but their own chldren couldn't get in. UVA is still at 35%OOS and I bet that a lot of them are the first-generation students that Jim Ryan is so keen on admitting.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/historic-application-year-uva-offers-early-action-admission-more-6000

The current president, Jim Ryan, made First Gen acceptance a priority when he came on board. The legislature sets the in state/out of state numbers and how public colleges/universities are designed; this is not a a high priority for them. Charlottesville is small compared to California markets, Texas markets etc. Virginia does not have a large state system like UCs, UTs, UNCs, etc.