Why can't the Nat. Guard troops be used in high crime DC neighborhoods ???

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Anonymous wrote:Police are usually held back from enforcing all laws by the city government. They get in trouble for huge raids or roundups. Plenty of reasons why: don't want jails full of petty criminals, breaking up families, drugs are often a mental health issue, don't want to put money into other services to stop the poverty cycle, on and on.

I had a homeless man who used to threaten everyone on our block. He'd throw stuff at us, flash us, go through our trash and mail, and piss on our doorsteps. Cops told me they wouldn't do anything about him. My roommates and I got sick of it, didn't feel safe and moved out. I guarantee if a middle class man did any of that, he'd be arrested.

So people think a surge of military will solve this? I will say though that after the fact the military will find ways to twist numbers and data and charts to show that yes, since they increased their presence, the number of antagonistic homeless men increased to twenty, but there are not twenty-one, so technically the surge to the neighborhood was a success. Now increase the military’s funding!

Actually that's the opposite of what I was saying. I think we should allow the police to police and the problem would solve itself. Middle class and upper class neighborhoods don't put up with the crime and drugs that lower class ones do. We had a drug house in my neighborhood (mom was selling), we called the cops, there was a raid and it was fixed. In poor neighborhoods, cops wouldn't do anything. If there's a robbery on a street, we'd get a police car on our block patrolling for the next month.

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Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

The national guard have different training, rules of operation, oversight and duties than active duty military. There may be times they work together, but they are different entities.

Like?? Give examples, please.

Are you seriously unaware that the National Guard and the US Military are different entities? The national guard can be federalized to serve abroad under the Army; otherwise, NOT THE SAME.

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Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

Th Military goes where it is sent by politicians. Here's a good use for National Guard- mask compliance. We have been in covid land for a year https://wtop.com/tracking-metro-24-7/2021/01/metro-wont-strictly-enforce-new-covid-19-mask-mandate/

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Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

Th Military goes where it is sent by politicians. Here's a good use for National Guard- mask compliance. We have been in covid land for a year https://wtop.com/tracking-metro-24-7/2021/01/metro-wont-strictly-enforce-new-covid-19-mask-mandate/

It’s the military’s job to fight and win wars. They have the biggest budget in the world. Americans should expect them to be able to do this.
Also, good luck with “Mask Force”!

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Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

The national guard have different training, rules of operation, oversight and duties than active duty military. There may be times they work together, but they are different entities.

Like?? Give examples, please.

Are you seriously unaware that the National Guard and the US Military are different entities? The national guard can be federalized to serve abroad under the Army; otherwise, NOT THE SAME.

Ah. Okay. You meant active and federal reserve force as the US Military. Got it. Stills doesn’t change the fact that the US Military’s and National Guard’s track record in successfully fighting wars since 9/11 has been atrocious and I doubt there would be anything to be gained by having the guard patrol city streets.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want part time soldiers replacing the police in your neighborhood?

I would be fine with it. When we were heavily engaged in "quelling" Iraq, I often wondered why we left Chigao/Baltimore etc to be war zones. Sometimes the violence in the USA reaches emergency proportions and requires emergency measures. Yes, posse comitatus applies to the military--but the National Guard doesn't fall under posse comitatus and can be called up by the civilian authority in each state, or in DC Bowser. They could certainly be used to 'back up' the police to bring the gun violence and car jackings under control. We are already dealing with a monster virus. Enough is enough.

I think what you would be fine with, is part-time soldiers replacing the police in other people's neighborhoods.

Or PP is fine with it in neighborhoods where it is needed to quell violence, which may or may not be where he lives.

You're assuming that

(a) this is what the National Guard would do
(b) only the National Guard could do that

No, I am simply responding to someone's (maybe your's) post claiming someone would only want the guard to come to "other people's neighborhoods."

I wish they'd come to mine! Tired of the car-jackings and 3 murders we had recently. Welcome checkpoints, especially on 'get-away' roads like Western Ave. Zero issue with that - Ward 3

As someone who lived for several months in a city guarded by the National Guard, including lots of guns, some tanks and a curfew, no you DO NOT want the National Guard in your neighborhood. It’s terrifying and restrictive.

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Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

The national guard have different training, rules of operation, oversight and duties than active duty military. There may be times they work together, but they are different entities.

Like?? Give examples, please.

She can’t. Because it’s not true. When national Guard troops are sent overseas, they are on active duty. I have one kid in the Guard. One active duty. Both went through the same ROTC training. Both went to the same IOBC. Both went to Airborne and Ranger school. Both have trained at NTC. Both have deployed to the same places multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

The national guard have different training, rules of operation, oversight and duties than active duty military. There may be times they work together, but they are different entities.

Like?? Give examples, please.

She can’t. Because it’s not true. When national Guard troops are sent overseas, they are on active duty. I have one kid in the Guard. One active duty. Both went through the same ROTC training. Both went to the same IOBC. Both went to Airborne and Ranger school. Both have trained at NTC. Both have deployed to the same places multiple times.

That was already stated above PP. Thats when they are federalized. When they are in the states they are not the same. The point is they have a civic function in the States. The military generally doesnt (posse comitatus) though sometimes dispensation is made, like with natural disasters but they have to be very careful about how they are deployed.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want part time soldiers replacing the police in your neighborhood?

I would be fine with it. When we were heavily engaged in "quelling" Iraq, I often wondered why we left Chigao/Baltimore etc to be war zones. Sometimes the violence in the USA reaches emergency proportions and requires emergency measures. Yes, posse comitatus applies to the military--but the National Guard doesn't fall under posse comitatus and can be called up by the civilian authority in each state, or in DC Bowser. They could certainly be used to 'back up' the police to bring the gun violence and car jackings under control. We are already dealing with a monster virus. Enough is enough.

I think what you would be fine with, is part-time soldiers replacing the police in other people's neighborhoods.

Or PP is fine with it in neighborhoods where it is needed to quell violence, which may or may not be where he lives.

You're assuming that

(a) this is what the National Guard would do
(b) only the National Guard could do that

No, I am simply responding to someone's (maybe your's) post claiming someone would only want the guard to come to "other people's neighborhoods."

I wish they'd come to mine! Tired of the car-jackings and 3 murders we had recently. Welcome checkpoints, especially on 'get-away' roads like Western Ave. Zero issue with that - Ward 3

As someone who lived for several months in a city guarded by the National Guard, including lots of guns, some tanks and a curfew, no you DO NOT want the National Guard in your neighborhood. It’s terrifying and restrictive.

Did it prevent murders and mayhem?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want part time soldiers replacing the police in your neighborhood?

I would be fine with it. When we were heavily engaged in "quelling" Iraq, I often wondered why we left Chigao/Baltimore etc to be war zones. Sometimes the violence in the USA reaches emergency proportions and requires emergency measures. Yes, posse comitatus applies to the military--but the National Guard doesn't fall under posse comitatus and can be called up by the civilian authority in each state, or in DC Bowser. They could certainly be used to 'back up' the police to bring the gun violence and car jackings under control. We are already dealing with a monster virus. Enough is enough.

I think what you would be fine with, is part-time soldiers replacing the police in other people's neighborhoods.

Or PP is fine with it in neighborhoods where it is needed to quell violence, which may or may not be where he lives.

You're assuming that

(a) this is what the National Guard would do
(b) only the National Guard could do that

No, I am simply responding to someone's (maybe your's) post claiming someone would only want the guard to come to "other people's neighborhoods."

I wish they'd come to mine! Tired of the car-jackings and 3 murders we had recently. Welcome checkpoints, especially on 'get-away' roads like Western Ave. Zero issue with that - Ward 3

As someone who lived for several months in a city guarded by the National Guard, including lots of guns, some tanks and a curfew, no you DO NOT want the National Guard in your neighborhood. It’s terrifying and restrictive.

Did it prevent murders and mayhem?

If you'd rather trade essential liberty for temporary security, North Korea is that-a-way.

Don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want part time soldiers replacing the police in your neighborhood?

I would be fine with it. When we were heavily engaged in "quelling" Iraq, I often wondered why we left Chigao/Baltimore etc to be war zones. Sometimes the violence in the USA reaches emergency proportions and requires emergency measures. Yes, posse comitatus applies to the military--but the National Guard doesn't fall under posse comitatus and can be called up by the civilian authority in each state, or in DC Bowser. They could certainly be used to 'back up' the police to bring the gun violence and car jackings under control. We are already dealing with a monster virus. Enough is enough.

Exactly!!!!! Come on, ms bowser!

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Deploy them to se and retake it