Why can't the Nat. Guard troops be used in high crime DC neighborhoods ???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want part time soldiers replacing the police in your neighborhood?

I would be fine with it. When we were heavily engaged in "quelling" Iraq, I often wondered why we left Chigao/Baltimore etc to be war zones. Sometimes the violence in the USA reaches emergency proportions and requires emergency measures. Yes, posse comitatus applies to the military--but the National Guard doesn't fall under posse comitatus and can be called up by the civilian authority in each state, or in DC Bowser. They could certainly be used to 'back up' the police to bring the gun violence and car jackings under control. We are already dealing with a monster virus. Enough is enough.

Uh the US military dismally failed in Iraq to do anything positive, particularly reduce violence, and now you think they should be trusted with our own cities? The increase in violence and millions of innocent deaths and the rise of ISIS are directly tied to the illegal war and occupation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

[Anonymous]

Police are usually held back from enforcing all laws by the city government. They get in trouble for huge raids or roundups. Plenty of reasons why: don't want jails full of petty criminals, breaking up families, drugs are often a mental health issue, don't want to put money into other services to stop the poverty cycle, on and on.

I had a homeless man who used to threaten everyone on our block. He'd throw stuff at us, flash us, go through our trash and mail, and piss on our doorsteps. Cops told me they wouldn't do anything about him. My roommates and I got sick of it, didn't feel safe and moved out. I guarantee if a middle class man did any of that, he'd be arrested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Police are usually held back from enforcing all laws by the city government. They get in trouble for huge raids or roundups. Plenty of reasons why: don't want jails full of petty criminals, breaking up families, drugs are often a mental health issue, don't want to put money into other services to stop the poverty cycle, on and on.

I had a homeless man who used to threaten everyone on our block. He'd throw stuff at us, flash us, go through our trash and mail, and piss on our doorsteps. Cops told me they wouldn't do anything about him. My roommates and I got sick of it, didn't feel safe and moved out. I guarantee if a middle class man did any of that, he'd be arrested.

So people think a surge of military will solve this? I will say though that after the fact the military will find ways to twist numbers and data and charts to show that yes, since they increased their presence, the number of antagonistic homeless men increased to twenty, but there are not twenty-one, so technically the surge to the neighborhood was a success. Now increase the military’s funding!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want the military to be your local police force then move to a dictator-run country.

Why move? We’re well on the way to having that right here!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want the military to be your local police force then move to a dictator-run country.

True.

[Anonymous]

Wait a minute.....I thought DC residents wanted to Defund the Police and use social workers to intervene/assist?

Now you want the National Guard to come in? You fired your Police Commissioner and keep electing the same set of weak politicians. What exactly do you expect will change? As has been said here multiple times: elections have consequences and, unfortunately, many completely innocent people paying the price.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

The national guard have different training, rules of operation, oversight and duties than active duty military. There may be times they work together, but they are different entities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait a minute.....I thought DC residents wanted to Defund the Police and use social workers to intervene/assist?

Now you want the National Guard to come in? You fired your Police Commissioner and keep electing the same set of weak politicians. What exactly do you expect will change? As has been said here multiple times: elections have consequences and, unfortunately, many completely innocent people paying the price.

Yes, surely this anonymous OP is the exact same person as that other random post you read on a message board weeks or months ago...

Imagine being so incredibly dense as to believe all 700,000 DC residents speak with a single, unified voice. Imagine being convinced this anonymous authoritarian bootlicker is actually a DC resident at all instead of a hand-wringing, pearl-clutching, suburbanite or a good old fashioned troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you want part time soldiers replacing the police in your neighborhood?

I would be fine with it. When we were heavily engaged in "quelling" Iraq, I often wondered why we left Chigao/Baltimore etc to be war zones. Sometimes the violence in the USA reaches emergency proportions and requires emergency measures. Yes, posse comitatus applies to the military--but the National Guard doesn't fall under posse comitatus and can be called up by the civilian authority in each state, or in DC Bowser. They could certainly be used to 'back up' the police to bring the gun violence and car jackings under control. We are already dealing with a monster virus. Enough is enough.

Please explain how this would work. Be specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most National Guard units have multiple combat tours behind them. My son is a Captain in the Guard. He has been overseas in heavy combat three times. As an infantry officer, he is trained to kill people. That’s not what you want in DC neighborhoods.

Errr, training is exactly what you want. -- military spouse

Because the military has such a great track record elsewhere, right? It’s criminal how the military conducted and subsequently lost their “war on terror”.

Having fun pushing buttons? Enjoy!

Sorry but you can’t argue troops are “trained” when they’ve continuously failed at their core mission everywhere for the last twenty years. If your buttons are pushed it’s because of this truth.

You're conflating the military and National Guard, so everything you say along these lines is irrelevant anyway.

There were no National Guard troops deployed in the war on terror? Or no active duty troops deployed? The Guard is not part of the military? That’s a ridiculous statement. They are. And neither are remotely capable of nor legally authorized to “enforce peace”, or whatever you want to call it on your PowerPoint slides, in troubled areas of our cities or act as a surrogate police force.

The national guard have different training, rules of operation, oversight and duties than active duty military. There may be times they work together, but they are different entities.

Like?? Give examples, please.