Any word on swim meets?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of meets will hurt the serious year around swimmers. Particularly the current HS sophomores and juniors if they aspire to swim in college. I have a senior and a freshman. My senior has many senior friends who have stopped swimming because they don't plan to swim in college so "what's the point of swimming this year with no real chance of a final HS season." The senior who already know they are swimming in college will continue for conditioning but it is difficult to do the grind of 20 plus hours/week with no actual goal to be working toward in the next 6 months. My HS freshman, would have been working toward JO cuts, sectional cuts, metro cuts etc. Those things do keep you motivated. I hope he will continue . . . but we shall see.

20 hours per week? Well, I think we’ve discovered the motivation problem.

20 hours per week is pretty standard for a serious high school swimmer. I think I did more than that actually when including dry land work. I would have hated just practicing with no meets. I worked hard at practice but I was never one of the fastest during workouts. But I almost always performed well at meets and could beat teammates who were faster than me at practice. I would have quit with no meets to motivate me.

Maybe your child does not enjoy it and only doing it for you. Winning is not everything. Enjoying the sport is far more important to me. You want your child swimming for college so you don’t have to pay.

I agree that enjoying the sport is the most important thing. Let's not pretend to know more about each other than we do. How about you stop telling people what they want and I'll refrain from telling you you're jealous because my Academic All American already has a scholarship (which we don't need to pay for college BTW).

Good brag. You aren't the only one with a smart kid. Mine gets very high test scores and straight A's. I'm not worried about a scholarship as we love ours and have saved for birth for college. I don't need handouts from others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

That Richmond plan is fantastic. I'm impressed that they're holding meets and allowing the parents to engage. Hopefully, PVS can look to other areas for ideas. Competition pools all have touch pads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

That Richmond plan is fantastic. I'm impressed that they're holding meets and allowing the parents to engage. Hopefully, PVS can look to other areas for ideas. Competition pools all have touch pads.

Richmond poster here. I do know the majority of their swim meets are held at private clubs. They don't seem to have the reliance on county facilities like we do. And their first meet was that day when it rained 7 inches in one day and they all were huddle under their tents outside. But they were happy to compete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of meets will hurt the serious year around swimmers. Particularly the current HS sophomores and juniors if they aspire to swim in college. I have a senior and a freshman. My senior has many senior friends who have stopped swimming because they don't plan to swim in college so "what's the point of swimming this year with no real chance of a final HS season." The senior who already know they are swimming in college will continue for conditioning but it is difficult to do the grind of 20 plus hours/week with no actual goal to be working toward in the next 6 months. My HS freshman, would have been working toward JO cuts, sectional cuts, metro cuts etc. Those things do keep you motivated. I hope he will continue . . . but we shall see.

20 hours per week? Well, I think we’ve discovered the motivation problem.

20 hours per week is pretty standard for a serious high school swimmer. I think I did more than that actually when including dry land work. I would have hated just practicing with no meets. I worked hard at practice but I was never one of the fastest during workouts. But I almost always performed well at meets and could beat teammates who were faster than me at practice. I would have quit with no meets to motivate me.

Maybe your child does not enjoy it and only doing it for you. Winning is not everything. Enjoying the sport is far more important to me. You want your child swimming for college so you don’t have to pay.

I agree that enjoying the sport is the most important thing. Let's not pretend to know more about each other than we do. How about you stop telling people what they want and I'll refrain from telling you you're jealous because my Academic All American already has a scholarship (which we don't need to pay for college BTW).

Good brag. You aren't the only one with a smart kid. Mine gets very high test scores and straight A's. I'm not worried about a scholarship as we love ours and have saved for birth for college. I don't need handouts from others.

Nearly all 10 year olds in UMC households get good grades and test scores. Check back when you know something about HS athletics land college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

Some of the teams cannot even get indoor pool time because the pools they usually use are not allowing swimming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of meets will hurt the serious year around swimmers. Particularly the current HS sophomores and juniors if they aspire to swim in college. I have a senior and a freshman. My senior has many senior friends who have stopped swimming because they don't plan to swim in college so "what's the point of swimming this year with no real chance of a final HS season." The senior who already know they are swimming in college will continue for conditioning but it is difficult to do the grind of 20 plus hours/week with no actual goal to be working toward in the next 6 months. My HS freshman, would have been working toward JO cuts, sectional cuts, metro cuts etc. Those things do keep you motivated. I hope he will continue . . . but we shall see.

20 hours per week? Well, I think we’ve discovered the motivation problem.

20 hours per week is pretty standard for a serious high school swimmer. I think I did more than that actually when including dry land work. I would have hated just practicing with no meets. I worked hard at practice but I was never one of the fastest during workouts. But I almost always performed well at meets and could beat teammates who were faster than me at practice. I would have quit with no meets to motivate me.

Maybe your child does not enjoy it and only doing it for you. Winning is not everything. Enjoying the sport is far more important to me. You want your child swimming for college so you don’t have to pay.

I agree that enjoying the sport is the most important thing. Let's not pretend to know more about each other than we do. How about you stop telling people what they want and I'll refrain from telling you you're jealous because my Academic All American already has a scholarship (which we don't need to pay for college BTW).

Good brag. You aren't the only one with a smart kid. Mine gets very high test scores and straight A's. I'm not worried about a scholarship as we love ours and have saved for birth for college. I don't need handouts from others.

Nearly all 10 year olds in UMC households get good grades and test scores. Check back when you know something about HS athletics land college admissions.

DP: but the whole thing started with you saying those kids, including yours, no longer have the motivation to swim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

That Richmond plan is fantastic. I'm impressed that they're holding meets and allowing the parents to engage. Hopefully, PVS can look to other areas for ideas. Competition pools all have touch pads.

Richmond poster here. I do know the majority of their swim meets are held at private clubs. They don't seem to have the reliance on county facilities like we do. And their first meet was that day when it rained 7 inches in one day and they all were huddle under their tents outside. But they were happy to compete

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Huddled under tents? I the only no e who sees a problem here?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

That Richmond plan is fantastic. I'm impressed that they're holding meets and allowing the parents to engage. Hopefully, PVS can look to other areas for ideas. Competition pools all have touch pads.

Richmond poster here. I do know the majority of their swim meets are held at private clubs. They don't seem to have the reliance on county facilities like we do. And their first meet was that day when it rained 7 inches in one day and they all were huddle under their tents outside. But they were happy to compete

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Huddled under tents? I the only no e who sees a problem here?!

It reads: Huddled under "their" tents. Presumably they weren't all gathered together. Not a problem.

[Anonymous]

^^^ sometimes during regular summer meets we huddle under tents on a random rainy cold day. Socially distanced and all is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of meets will hurt the serious year around swimmers. Particularly the current HS sophomores and juniors if they aspire to swim in college. I have a senior and a freshman. My senior has many senior friends who have stopped swimming because they don't plan to swim in college so "what's the point of swimming this year with no real chance of a final HS season." The senior who already know they are swimming in college will continue for conditioning but it is difficult to do the grind of 20 plus hours/week with no actual goal to be working toward in the next 6 months. My HS freshman, would have been working toward JO cuts, sectional cuts, metro cuts etc. Those things do keep you motivated. I hope he will continue . . . but we shall see.

20 hours per week? Well, I think we’ve discovered the motivation problem.

20 hours per week is pretty standard for a serious high school swimmer. I think I did more than that actually when including dry land work. I would have hated just practicing with no meets. I worked hard at practice but I was never one of the fastest during workouts. But I almost always performed well at meets and could beat teammates who were faster than me at practice. I would have quit with no meets to motivate me.

Maybe your child does not enjoy it and only doing it for you. Winning is not everything. Enjoying the sport is far more important to me. You want your child swimming for college so you don’t have to pay.

I agree that enjoying the sport is the most important thing. Let's not pretend to know more about each other than we do. How about you stop telling people what they want and I'll refrain from telling you you're jealous because my Academic All American already has a scholarship (which we don't need to pay for college BTW).

Good brag. You aren't the only one with a smart kid. Mine gets very high test scores and straight A's. I'm not worried about a scholarship as we love ours and have saved for birth for college. I don't need handouts from others.

Nearly all 10 year olds in UMC households get good grades and test scores. Check back when you know something about HS athletics land college admissions.

DP: but the whole thing started with you saying those kids, including yours, no longer have the motivation to swim.

I never said my kid was not motivated, I said it is harder with out meets. Then you went off on a crazy tangent assuming my kids only swim for me or becuase I want them to get a scholarship. It's clear you dont know much about competitive swimming or about motivation. . . and that's fine. I suggest you read the book Mindset that will explain the important role feedback (in this case one's own swim times) has in motivation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my niece and nephew in RIchmond are having swim meets. they have electronic timers, 1 parent is allowed on deck to watch ea race, everyone waits outside under their own tents, they have to leisurely swim to the other end of the pool to get out closer to the doors, plexiglass in between the lanes at that end only.

That would mean the county and team would have to use some of the money to retrofit the pools which they aren't willing to do. They cannot even keep even temperatures with the heat in the winter.

It isn't much of a retrofit for touch pads, there are pools in the area that have them. They are put on for meets and then removed. They are expensive though. And I don't think that there is a lot of extra money floating around to make it happen. The clubs should be able to do it - particularly Machine, NCAP, etc that are more expensive. I do not see summer community pools pulling it off because so many of them are working at the margin.

That Richmond plan is fantastic. I'm impressed that they're holding meets and allowing the parents to engage. Hopefully, PVS can look to other areas for ideas. Competition pools all have touch pads.

Richmond poster here. I do know the majority of their swim meets are held at private clubs. They don't seem to have the reliance on county facilities like we do. And their first meet was that day when it rained 7 inches in one day and they all were huddle under their tents outside. But they were happy to compete

.

Huddled under tents? I the only no e who sees a problem here?!

Many don't care as you can see here. Those college scholarships are the priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of meets will hurt the serious year around swimmers. Particularly the current HS sophomores and juniors if they aspire to swim in college. I have a senior and a freshman. My senior has many senior friends who have stopped swimming because they don't plan to swim in college so "what's the point of swimming this year with no real chance of a final HS season." The senior who already know they are swimming in college will continue for conditioning but it is difficult to do the grind of 20 plus hours/week with no actual goal to be working toward in the next 6 months. My HS freshman, would have been working toward JO cuts, sectional cuts, metro cuts etc. Those things do keep you motivated. I hope he will continue . . . but we shall see.

20 hours per week? Well, I think we’ve discovered the motivation problem.

20 hours per week is pretty standard for a serious high school swimmer. I think I did more than that actually when including dry land work. I would have hated just practicing with no meets. I worked hard at practice but I was never one of the fastest during workouts. But I almost always performed well at meets and could beat teammates who were faster than me at practice. I would have quit with no meets to motivate me.

Maybe your child does not enjoy it and only doing it for you. Winning is not everything. Enjoying the sport is far more important to me. You want your child swimming for college so you don’t have to pay.

I agree that enjoying the sport is the most important thing. Let's not pretend to know more about each other than we do. How about you stop telling people what they want and I'll refrain from telling you you're jealous because my Academic All American already has a scholarship (which we don't need to pay for college BTW).

Good brag. You aren't the only one with a smart kid. Mine gets very high test scores and straight A's. I'm not worried about a scholarship as we love ours and have saved for birth for college. I don't need handouts from others.

Nearly all 10 year olds in UMC households get good grades and test scores. Check back when you know something about HS athletics land college admissions.

Actually no, not all kids in UMC households get good grades. I don't care about swim for college admissions. My child is smart and is well rounded in a variety of activities, including swim. We aren't expecting financial aide as an UMC family and have been saving since birth. We don't care about a "top" school. We want the best fit for our child that has their major and activities they enjoy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of meets will hurt the serious year around swimmers. Particularly the current HS sophomores and juniors if they aspire to swim in college. I have a senior and a freshman. My senior has many senior friends who have stopped swimming because they don't plan to swim in college so "what's the point of swimming this year with no real chance of a final HS season." The senior who already know they are swimming in college will continue for conditioning but it is difficult to do the grind of 20 plus hours/week with no actual goal to be working toward in the next 6 months. My HS freshman, would have been working toward JO cuts, sectional cuts, metro cuts etc. Those things do keep you motivated. I hope he will continue . . . but we shall see.

20 hours per week? Well, I think we’ve discovered the motivation problem.

20 hours per week is pretty standard for a serious high school swimmer. I think I did more than that actually when including dry land work. I would have hated just practicing with no meets. I worked hard at practice but I was never one of the fastest during workouts. But I almost always performed well at meets and could beat teammates who were faster than me at practice. I would have quit with no meets to motivate me.

Maybe your child does not enjoy it and only doing it for you. Winning is not everything. Enjoying the sport is far more important to me. You want your child swimming for college so you don’t have to pay.

I agree that enjoying the sport is the most important thing. Let's not pretend to know more about each other than we do. How about you stop telling people what they want and I'll refrain from telling you you're jealous because my Academic All American already has a scholarship (which we don't need to pay for college BTW).

Good brag. You aren't the only one with a smart kid. Mine gets very high test scores and straight A's. I'm not worried about a scholarship as we love ours and have saved for birth for college. I don't need handouts from others.

Nearly all 10 year olds in UMC households get good grades and test scores. Check back when you know something about HS athletics land college admissions.

DP: but the whole thing started with you saying those kids, including yours, no longer have the motivation to swim.

I never said my kid was not motivated, I said it is harder with out meets. Then you went off on a crazy tangent assuming my kids only swim for me or becuase I want them to get a scholarship. It's clear you dont know much about competitive swimming or about motivation. . . and that's fine. I suggest you read the book Mindset that will explain the important role feedback (in this case one's own swim times) has in motivation.

"DP" means 'different poster'