Was Adam the First Person to get to Heaven?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nonsense.

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With all the scientific knowledge we now have showing the earth has existed for billions of years you still believe there was an “Adam”?

Actually science tells us there was a Mitochondrial Eve and a Y Chromosomal Adam. Single individuals who we are all descended from through our mothers or fathers.

Hey, also mention these things, why dontcha:

- Mitochondrial Eve is hypothetical and that term is a euphemism
- She and Y Chromosomal Adam may not have lived at the same time
- Science also tells us there were antecedents
- None of this - NONE - is in support of or consistent with biblical scripture or young earth creationism. No. Not yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

I cannot believe people believe stories that aren't even in the bible

I cannot believe that people believe stories that are in the Bible.

I can’t believe non-believers spend hours here. Or think being catty is going to change anybody’s mind.

Why can't you believe that?

And what is wrong with PP who just corrected science misinformation and provided information to support it?

I'm the PP that originally posted that Mitochondrial Eve, there was no science misinformation in my post. I didn't say that she lived at the same time as Y chromosomal Adam, or that they didn't have antecedents, or that they lived a certain number of years ago. I certainly didn't say her actual name was Eve.

I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I am religious, but I don't believe that Old Testament stories are history that is meant to be taken literally. I do think it's interesting to look at the ways that people made sense of the origins of the world, before they had access to modern science, and that while they obviously didn't figure out a lot of the details, this idea, that we are all descended from the same woman, that we have, so to speak a common mother, is in fact true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nonsense.

+1

With all the scientific knowledge we now have showing the earth has existed for billions of years you still believe there was an “Adam”?

Actually science tells us there was a Mitochondrial Eve and a Y Chromosomal Adam. Single individuals who we are all descended from through our mothers or fathers.

Hey, also mention these things, why dontcha:

- Mitochondrial Eve is hypothetical and that term is a euphemism
- She and Y Chromosomal Adam may not have lived at the same time
- Science also tells us there were antecedents
- None of this - NONE - is in support of or consistent with biblical scripture or young earth creationism. No. Not yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

I cannot believe people believe stories that aren't even in the bible

I cannot believe that people believe stories that are in the Bible.

I can’t believe non-believers spend hours here. Or think being catty is going to change anybody’s mind.

Why can't you believe that?

And what is wrong with PP who just corrected science misinformation and provided information to support it?

I'm the PP that originally posted that Mitochondrial Eve, there was no science misinformation in my post. I didn't say that she lived at the same time as Y chromosomal Adam, or that they didn't have antecedents, or that they lived a certain number of years ago. I certainly didn't say her actual name was Eve.

I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I am religious, but I don't believe that Old Testament stories are history that is meant to be taken literally. I do think it's interesting to look at the ways that people made sense of the origins of the world, before they had access to modern science, and that while they obviously didn't figure out a lot of the details, this idea, that we are all descended from the same woman, that we have, so to speak a common mother, is in fact true.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At mass today online it was mentioned right after Jesus opened gates of Heaven he pulled Adam up. First I ever heard. Kinda makes sense he was waiting the longest. But what about Eve? Did she go to Hell or Heaven?

I don't intend to be cruel, but my thought reading this is, are you five years old?

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Anonymous wrote:Nonsense.

+1

With all the scientific knowledge we now have showing the earth has existed for billions of years you still believe there was an “Adam”?

Actually science tells us there was a Mitochondrial Eve and a Y Chromosomal Adam. Single individuals who we are all descended from through our mothers or fathers.

Hey, also mention these things, why dontcha:

- Mitochondrial Eve is hypothetical and that term is a euphemism
- She and Y Chromosomal Adam may not have lived at the same time
- Science also tells us there were antecedents
- None of this - NONE - is in support of or consistent with biblical scripture or young earth creationism. No. Not yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

I cannot believe people believe stories that aren't even in the bible

I cannot believe that people believe stories that are in the Bible.

I can’t believe non-believers spend hours here. Or think being catty is going to change anybody’s mind.

Why can't you believe that?

And what is wrong with PP who just corrected science misinformation and provided information to support it?

I'm the PP that originally posted that Mitochondrial Eve, there was no science misinformation in my post. I didn't say that she lived at the same time as Y chromosomal Adam, or that they didn't have antecedents, or that they lived a certain number of years ago. I certainly didn't say her actual name was Eve.

I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I am religious, but I don't believe that Old Testament stories are history that is meant to be taken literally. I do think it's interesting to look at the ways that people made sense of the origins of the world, before they had access to modern science, and that while they obviously didn't figure out a lot of the details, this idea, that we are all descended from the same woman, that we have, so to speak a common mother, is in fact true.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

NP and you’re ridiculous. PP was totally straight-forward. Unlike your silly post that ascribes to pp all kinds of things she never said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adam and Eve is a hypothetical story, not factual. There are 2 creation stories and they are not combined.
The story is meant to be hypothetical and it is.

+1. Exactly

The minister in me has to bite my tongue all the time about the Bible. I’m an Interfaith Hospice Chaplain so I work with people from all faith paths. And none. I get quizzed about this shi7 several times a month by family members. I stay professional and respectful, but the fear these poor people have grown up with causes so much pain. Especially when they are facing their death or the death of a loved one.

An early poster asked which parts of the Bible should be taken literally. My answer is almost none of it. (I want to emphasize this is my belief.) Scripture was written thousands of years ago in languages that we don’t even fully understand. And it’s been translated and retranslated over and over again, mostly by men with a vested interest in the outcome of the translation. We have no evidence that Jesus ever wrote anything at all. Scripture is important. I love it! By studying sacred texts, we learn a lot about the people, the politics, the religious beliefs, history, and most importantly, ourselves and our Creator. But it was never meant to be a science or a history text.

Jesus spoke in parables all the time. Do you think he was really suggesting we shove a camel through the eye of a needle? Or, was he explaining how important it is for us to guard against greed? Do you really believe Jesus fed thousands with five loaves of bread and two fish? Or was he teaching compassion, sacrifice, service, empathy, and love?

The writers of biblical scripture (and we can’t even prove definitively who they were) were using simple stories to explain complex spiritual truths. They are scared stories. We should read them and try to understand them. But they are stories. A more modern example is “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”. No one believes a child was gobbled by a wolf. But the story illustrates the Importance of honesty. And it does so powerfully because it is so simple.

Do I think he was really suggesting we shove a camel through the eye of a needle?
No, it was presented as a metaphor to illustrate how unlikely something was to occur - for a rich man to enter Heaven.
Matthew 19:16-28
Mark 10:17-31
Luke 18:18-30

Do I really believe Jesus fed thousands with five loaves of bread and two fish?
Yes, because it is presented as something that actually happened.
Matthew 14:13-21
Mark 6:31-44
Luke 9:10-17
John 6:1-15

If you don't believe Jesus could feed the five thousand, do you believe that he rose from the dead?

If you don't believe the books were divinely inspired and you don't believe in what they say, why do you believe they're sacred?

If the bible is only a collection of stories to teach us lessons, do you consider other such stories to be equally sacred? The Boy Who Cried Wolf? You say we can learn about our Creator from sacred texts (which doesn't appear to be limited to the Bible), but if you don't believe in what they say about the Creator, how can you learn about him from them? In fact, if they're your only basis for the existence of a Creator, why do you believe there is one at all? Your views seem inconsistent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Adam and Eve is a hypothetical story, not factual. There are 2 creation stories and they are not combined.
The story is meant to be hypothetical and it is.

Which is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, by the way. Also heaven and hell are not physical places one "goes to."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nonsense.

+1

With all the scientific knowledge we now have showing the earth has existed for billions of years you still believe there was an “Adam”?

Actually science tells us there was a Mitochondrial Eve and a Y Chromosomal Adam. Single individuals who we are all descended from through our mothers or fathers.

Hey, also mention these things, why dontcha:

- Mitochondrial Eve is hypothetical and that term is a euphemism
- She and Y Chromosomal Adam may not have lived at the same time
- Science also tells us there were antecedents
- None of this - NONE - is in support of or consistent with biblical scripture or young earth creationism. No. Not yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

I cannot believe people believe stories that aren't even in the bible

I cannot believe that people believe stories that are in the Bible.

I can’t believe non-believers spend hours here. Or think being catty is going to change anybody’s mind.

Why can't you believe that?

And what is wrong with PP who just corrected science misinformation and provided information to support it?

I'm the PP that originally posted that Mitochondrial Eve, there was no science misinformation in my post. I didn't say that she lived at the same time as Y chromosomal Adam, or that they didn't have antecedents, or that they lived a certain number of years ago. I certainly didn't say her actual name was Eve.

I'm not a Young Earth Creationist. I am religious, but I don't believe that Old Testament stories are history that is meant to be taken literally. I do think it's interesting to look at the ways that people made sense of the origins of the world, before they had access to modern science, and that while they obviously didn't figure out a lot of the details, this idea, that we are all descended from the same woman, that we have, so to speak a common mother, is in fact true.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

NP and you’re ridiculous. PP was totally straight-forward. Unlike your silly post that ascribes to pp all kinds of things she never said.

I respectfully but strongly disagree. Omitting those qualifying facts clearly indicate an intention to support the Adam and Eve concept. I appreciate the OP's subsequent clarification that they are not a YEC but the prior statement is right out of the YEC handbook.

You are free to interpret as you like but now that all the information has been shared here no one should be mis-informed, right? Can we agree that is good?

[Anonymous]

I grew up in a fundamentalist protestant denomination and had to learn a lot about the bible. This is an intriguing question to me. I believe from what I was taught he would not have gone to heaven. Are there any bible scriptures that reference Adam and going to heaven?

I don't think this was ever addressed in a sunday school class. Probably didn't want us thinking too much and asking too many questions!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Adam and Eve is a hypothetical story, not factual. There are 2 creation stories and they are not combined.
The story is meant to be hypothetical and it is.

Which is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, by the way. Also heaven and hell are not physical places one "goes to."

Really, what is it then? And what goes up there? Your soul I guess, but is that material or immaterial? Thank you. I am interested in this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam and Eve is a hypothetical story, not factual. There are 2 creation stories and they are not combined.
The story is meant to be hypothetical and it is.

Which is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, by the way. Also heaven and hell are not physical places one "goes to."

Really, what is it then? And what goes up there? Your soul I guess, but is that material or immaterial? Thank you. I am interested in this?

I am interested in this.

[Anonymous]

OK, I'll bite. And I'm a cradle Catholic, educated at a local independent Catholic school.

No, because the Adam and Eve story isn't a true story. Genesis and Exodus aren't history.

Your priest is an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam and Eve is a hypothetical story, not factual. There are 2 creation stories and they are not combined.
The story is meant to be hypothetical and it is.

Which is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, by the way. Also heaven and hell are not physical places one "goes to."

Really, what is it then? And what goes up there? Your soul I guess, but is that material or immaterial? Thank you. I am interested in this?

I am interested in this.

PP from above. Heaven is not a physical place. It is the state of knowing God in the afterlife.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.orthodoxroad.com/the-harrowing-of-hades/

The Gospel of Nicodemus describes what happens between Christ’s death and resurrection. During this time, he descended into Hades and pulled up Adam and Eve. This is always part of Lenten services in the Orthodox Church.

Not scripture.

Not scripture *to Catholics*

Let's be ecumenical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Adam and Eve is a hypothetical story, not factual. There are 2 creation stories and they are not combined.
The story is meant to be hypothetical and it is.

Which is exactly what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, by the way. Also heaven and hell are not physical places one "goes to."

Really, what is it then? And what goes up there? Your soul I guess, but is that material or immaterial? Thank you. I am interested in this?

I am interested in this.

PP from above. Heaven is not a physical place. It is the state of knowing God in the afterlife.

the state of knowing God in the afterlife? With what? I mean what do we use to know stuff?

[Anonymous]

I don't know what the catholic church teaches, but, I learned that heaven is merely being in the presence of god and hell was not existing in the presence of god. You will not be surrounded by family friends etc.