If you're having playdates, do youn also not believe in vaccines?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re personally following the rules and not having play dates, but I understand the logic or forming a relative closed circuit with another family. It does increase the risk but pretty minimally.

Do you know anyone working on the front lines at a hospital right now? If so, please, approach them with your statement and take in their reaction/response.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re personally following the rules and not having play dates, but I understand the logic or forming a relative closed circuit with another family. It does increase the risk but pretty minimally.

Do you know anyone working on the front lines at a hospital right now? If so, please, approach them with your statement and take in their reaction/response.

Yes I do. I also have many family member that are 1st responders.

They think it is okay.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

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I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

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I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We’re personally following the rules and not having play dates, but I understand the logic or forming a relative closed circuit with another family. It does increase the risk but pretty minimally.

Do you know anyone working on the front lines at a hospital right now? If so, please, approach them with your statement and take in their reaction/response.

I hope you’re not getting anything aside from food / meds that you need to survive. If you get anything else delivered you are no better than anyone else. You just can’t see the people you’re putting at risk behind the scenes to get deliveries.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

I am judging people for judging. If you’re judging for play dates I’m judging for receiving packages of anything not immediately necessary to live.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Low risk to YOU. Not low risk to the person doing the delivery.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Here's my opinion for what it's worth. Grocery shopping is low enough risk for me to do it maybe every other week and come home to my family (currently we're doing delivery). But not low enough to put another family at risk. We don't know what we don't know about this virus. But there's enough data out there about asymptomatic carriers to give me pause about grocery shopping and then interacting with others. If you contract the virus and are asymptomatic, how many people could you infect by continuing playdates at a neighbors? Certainly your neighbors. Possibly the people they interact with at the grocery store? The elderly neighbor who gets a little too close for a chat in their driveway? If your first reaction to this line of thought is "That's crazy!" Is it really?

[Anonymous]

Stop the play dates. It is literally not allowed by the state government. Do FaceTime, zoom, Skype for social interaction. Follow the rules. Don’t be a jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop the play dates. It is literally not allowed by the state government. Do FaceTime, zoom, Skype for social interaction. Follow the rules. Don’t be a jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Low risk to YOU. Not low risk to the person doing the delivery.

They are at higher risk of being affected by poverty because crazy people like you won't order take out than COVID-19.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Here's my opinion for what it's worth. Grocery shopping is low enough risk for me to do it maybe every other week and come home to my family (currently we're doing delivery). But not low enough to put another family at risk. We don't know what we don't know about this virus. But there's enough data out there about asymptomatic carriers to give me pause about grocery shopping and then interacting with others. If you contract the virus and are asymptomatic, how many people could you infect by continuing playdates at a neighbors? Certainly your neighbors. Possibly the people they interact with at the grocery store? The elderly neighbor who gets a little too close for a chat in their driveway? If your first reaction to this line of thought is "That's crazy!" Is it really?

That is for you to decide for you and for me to decide for me and for my neighbor to decide for them.

How many cases do we have of 11 year olds that were riding bikes together... asking for a a neighbor.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Low risk to YOU. Not low risk to the person doing the delivery.

They are at higher risk of being affected by poverty because crazy people like you won't order take out than COVID-19.

You are quoting me. I don't do grocery delivery because it's hard to get here and I leave the slots for people who are higher risk than me. We go grocery shopping once a week, and I do takeout once a week. I feel comfortable with that. I also don't flip out when I see other people talking to each other. My point is - people are judging kids playing outdoors when they themselves are probably causing just as many people to come in contact with other humans when they shop online - so really they are no better, and they should not judge other people. That's my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Here's my opinion for what it's worth. Grocery shopping is low enough risk for me to do it maybe every other week and come home to my family (currently we're doing delivery). But not low enough to put another family at risk. We don't know what we don't know about this virus. But there's enough data out there about asymptomatic carriers to give me pause about grocery shopping and then interacting with others. If you contract the virus and are asymptomatic, how many people could you infect by continuing playdates at a neighbors? Certainly your neighbors. Possibly the people they interact with at the grocery store? The elderly neighbor who gets a little too close for a chat in their driveway? If your first reaction to this line of thought is "That's crazy!" Is it really?

That is for you to decide for you and for me to decide for me and for my neighbor to decide for them.

How many cases do we have of 11 year olds that were riding bikes together... asking for a a neighbor.

I don't think we will ever know how many people have been infected by asymptomatic kids. We probably won't ever know. But it's entirely possible that those 11 year old kids riding bikes together got too close and took the virus home to their houses where their parents then shared it with people they came into contact with at the grocery store. There's a reason we have a stay home order.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious about the posters saying they are letting their kids play with neighbors' kids for their "mental health". Do you really think your kids would suffer that much having to hang out with their parents? Even if you are tied up with work a lot of the day? I am finding that hard to believe in light of what we know about actual traumatic stressors that affect children. I think the parents allowing this are doing this to make their own lives easier but telling themselves it's for the sake of the kids.

+1.

+ 2

I agree that this is more about the parents than the kids, and they're using their kids as an excuse.

People are still going to the grocery store, picking up food, ordering packages... so while I get the idea that you *think* you're keeping the circle small... it's a facade. And a profoundly selfish, stupid thing to do.

Come up with other plans. I know people are frustrated, but so is everyone. Doesn't mean you have to stay locked indoors all day every day, but enact a little discipline.

+1000

THIS!

I have some acquaintances who are doing this stuff and I don't think I'll ever fully respect them again. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

You need some help. You’re not going to “forgive” people who are having packages delivered? I just had my sons essential life supporting medicine delivered. You wouldn’t know what that was nor should you. But the idea that You’re out there deciding that’s wrong is... insane. Get some help.

The point was that people are having playdates with others saying that both families are completely isolated...but no one is completely isolated! People are still grocery shopping, receiving packages, getting takeout, running into work every now and then etc. The playdates are the "stuff" the poster was writing about. No one is judging you for receiving packages!

None of my friends are "running into work"

I think 1 family member getting groceries once a week and deliveries are low risk.

Low risk to YOU. Not low risk to the person doing the delivery.

They are at higher risk of being affected by poverty because crazy people like you won't order take out than COVID-19.

You are quoting me. I don't do grocery delivery because it's hard to get here and I leave the slots for people who are higher risk than me. We go grocery shopping once a week, and I do takeout once a week. I feel comfortable with that. I also don't flip out when I see other people talking to each other. My point is - people are judging kids playing outdoors when they themselves are probably causing just as many people to come in contact with other humans when they shop online - so really they are no better, and they should not judge other people. That's my opinion.

No, its not an "opinion." It is an entirely incorrect statement. Kids playing together, toching each other, stuff, other kids, siblings, spreading germs all over play equipement, then the parents, then other family members - and if each kid in each family is playing with kids from other families - as opposed to a package, dropped off on the front porch? That people are picking up with gloves most likely and wiping down? There are objective ways to calculate risk. In your scenario, where each family involved has some outside contact, you are squaring that contact, increasing the risk by more than 100%. Because its inconvenient to you doesn't make it so. You're being obtuse, belligerent, and dramatically increasing the risk, rather than tamping down the curve.