‘W’ schools boundary study?

[Anonymous]

Sure it will. They'll re-draw the boundaries to include the public housing complex on River Road across from the 7-11 (near Little Falls Parkway). If they want to get even more drastic, they'll include the low-income housing between Bradley Boulevard and Bethesda Ave (behind Bethesda Crab House). I've been near both when the buses let off, and it's an entire busload of kids for each of those stops, at least at elementary level.

What “public housing complex” are you talking about? That’s a condominium.

No lie, I laughed out loud. OF COURSE PP thinks that any multi-family dwelling is "low income housing."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

"They" who?

Students are the ones who actually ride the buses, so I don't know what "effects of busing" you think they're ignoring.

And the students - or at least the ones I heard - are not ignoring property values. They're explicitly addressing property values, specifically that the school district is not a mechanism for maintaining your property values.

At the last meeting, the speaker list was set up so all the students spoke first, then everyone else at the end. Why not alternate it throughout the evening?

If the school district isn't a mechanism for property values, then it should not be a mechanism for social engineering either.

The board is elected to serve the people. The people want to board to consider property values. They should.

That's how they do it, so the students can speak and go home.

ALL school boundaries are social engineering. The current school boundaries are social engineering.

If the people want the Board of Education to consider property values, then the people can vote for Board of Education candidates who promise to add property values to the regulation about factors to be considered in boundary studies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

The at a glance numbers (a little out of date at this point) show Whitman and Churchill at less than 5% FARMS, WJ at 7.5% and BCC at 11.1. I am not sure what it would accomplish to move one bus of kids from Churchill to Whitman. In the Seneca Valley study, the Superintendent worked to reduce the FARMS disparity among the HS clusters in the cluster and not make transportation changes that would cost the district a lot of money. If the same criteria applied, they'd be trying to equalize the numbers in those 4 clusters at about 7.1% - hardly a problem number.

It's not just FARMS.. remember they're focused on race also.

Whitman: 67% white
Churchill: 40% white
BCC: 57% white
WJ: 54% white

So Whitman has a target on its back for being too white for MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Sure it will. They'll re-draw the boundaries to include the public housing complex on River Road across from the 7-11 (near Little Falls Parkway). If they want to get even more drastic, they'll include the low-income housing between Bradley Boulevard and Bethesda Ave (behind Bethesda Crab House). I've been near both when the buses let off, and it's an entire busload of kids for each of those stops, at least at elementary level.

What “public housing complex” are you talking about? That’s a condominium.

The County owns the entire building. That's why there's the whole "Save Westbard" and related movement to get the county to hand over the complex's parking lot to the Macedonia church right next to it, as they claim there's an African American cemetery located under it.

[Anonymous]

We're currently zoned for Whitman and watching this closely. I've always assumed that they'd just take some of the pressure off of BCC and further slice up downtown Bethesda given that's where most of the growth is coming from as well as take some of Westbrook ES and Somerset ES. If this results in additional diversity as a side benefit, great! I think the reality is that we can afford to move if the changes are too drastic, resulting in extensive busing or a significant decline in the quality of our children's schools. While we wouldn't be thrilled with having to sell and eating the transaction costs plus potential property devaluation and changes to our commute, we'd be happy to do this if it's our children's best interests.

I also think what people lose sight of is that the de facto segregation can occur due to very small changes in individual preferences (such as having a small preference to live near neighbors "like themselves"), which can lead to stark outcomes, as Thomas Snelling demonstrated back in 1971:

https://www.citylab.com/design/2014/12/an-immersive-game-shows-how-easily-segregation-arisesand-how-we-might-fix-it/383586/

I don't think most people in the W schools are racist or biased. Rather, I think we live in a society that has become increasingly unequal and parents are doing whatever they can to ensure that their children are set up for the best outcomes in the future. I've read Dream Hoarders, which is an excellent book on the benefits accruing to the UMC.

How are the UMC hoarding dreams from the rest of the country? Through practices like legacy admissions at elite universities, which keep spots from going to other deserving children. Or zoning restrictions on multi-family real estate development that keep lower income households segregated from where the better schools and teachers are. Or unpaid internships at large corporations or within the halls of government, which effectively keep out students whose parents can’t afford for them to go all summer not earning anything.

The following reaction to the book really resonated with me:

https://thereformedbroker.com/2017/08/08/dream-hoarders-my-reaction/

“Okay, that makes sense – but you first.” Who wouldn’t want their own children to have every possible advantage under the sun? Who doesn’t see the wealth they accumulated as earned and deserved? I’m all for leveling the playing field, as long as I don’t have to drop whatever opportunities I’m able to secure for my own kids. I get the sense that Reeves has no plans to disadvantage his own children either, in the name of fairness or the breaking of the nascent class system that’s being forged in the modern economy."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

The at a glance numbers (a little out of date at this point) show Whitman and Churchill at less than 5% FARMS, WJ at 7.5% and BCC at 11.1. I am not sure what it would accomplish to move one bus of kids from Churchill to Whitman. In the Seneca Valley study, the Superintendent worked to reduce the FARMS disparity among the HS clusters in the cluster and not make transportation changes that would cost the district a lot of money. If the same criteria applied, they'd be trying to equalize the numbers in those 4 clusters at about 7.1% - hardly a problem number.

It's not just FARMS.. remember they're focused on race also.

Whitman: 67% white
Churchill: 40% white
BCC: 57% white
WJ: 54% white

So Whitman has a target on its back for being too white for MCPS.

Honestly, I think you are spouting paranoid White Supremecist propaganda - focusing on whites being replaced by minority groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Sure it will. They'll re-draw the boundaries to include the public housing complex on River Road across from the 7-11 (near Little Falls Parkway). If they want to get even more drastic, they'll include the low-income housing between Bradley Boulevard and Bethesda Ave (behind Bethesda Crab House). I've been near both when the buses let off, and it's an entire busload of kids for each of those stops, at least at elementary level.

What “public housing complex” are you talking about? That’s a condominium.

The County owns the entire building. That's why there's the whole "Save Westbard" and related movement to get the county to hand over the complex's parking lot to the Macedonia church right next to it, as they claim there's an African American cemetery located under it.

Are you referring to the Kenwood Condominiums? That isn’t public housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Sure it will. They'll re-draw the boundaries to include the public housing complex on River Road across from the 7-11 (near Little Falls Parkway). If they want to get even more drastic, they'll include the low-income housing between Bradley Boulevard and Bethesda Ave (behind Bethesda Crab House). I've been near both when the buses let off, and it's an entire busload of kids for each of those stops, at least at elementary level.

What “public housing complex” are you talking about? That’s a condominium.

The County owns the entire building. That's why there's the whole "Save Westbard" and related movement to get the county to hand over the complex's parking lot to the Macedonia church right next to it, as they claim there's an African American cemetery located under it.

PP is talking about Westwood Towers apartments without knowing where Westwood Towers apartments is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

Only a few of those houses are owned by HOC and the others aren’t MPDUs anymore and cost like $500K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Sure it will. They'll re-draw the boundaries to include the public housing complex on River Road across from the 7-11 (near Little Falls Parkway). If they want to get even more drastic, they'll include the low-income housing between Bradley Boulevard and Bethesda Ave (behind Bethesda Crab House). I've been near both when the buses let off, and it's an entire busload of kids for each of those stops, at least at elementary level.

What “public housing complex” are you talking about? That’s a condominium.

The County owns the entire building. That's why there's the whole "Save Westbard" and related movement to get the county to hand over the complex's parking lot to the Macedonia church right next to it, as they claim there's an African American cemetery located under it.

PP is talking about Westwood Towers apartments without knowing where Westwood Towers apartments is.

Westwood Towers is also not public housing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

The at a glance numbers (a little out of date at this point) show Whitman and Churchill at less than 5% FARMS, WJ at 7.5% and BCC at 11.1. I am not sure what it would accomplish to move one bus of kids from Churchill to Whitman. In the Seneca Valley study, the Superintendent worked to reduce the FARMS disparity among the HS clusters in the cluster and not make transportation changes that would cost the district a lot of money. If the same criteria applied, they'd be trying to equalize the numbers in those 4 clusters at about 7.1% - hardly a problem number.

It's not just FARMS.. remember they're focused on race also.

Whitman: 67% white
Churchill: 40% white
BCC: 57% white
WJ: 54% white

So Whitman has a target on its back for being too white for MCPS.

Honestly, I think you are spouting paranoid White Supremecist propaganda - focusing on whites being replaced by minority groups.

Straight from MCPS's own site:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/evidence-of-learning-framework/equity-accountability-model.aspx

Look at the 5 "focus groups". They only care about Whites and Asians if they are FARMS. For every other race, they focus on both FARMS and non-FARMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

The at a glance numbers (a little out of date at this point) show Whitman and Churchill at less than 5% FARMS, WJ at 7.5% and BCC at 11.1. I am not sure what it would accomplish to move one bus of kids from Churchill to Whitman. In the Seneca Valley study, the Superintendent worked to reduce the FARMS disparity among the HS clusters in the cluster and not make transportation changes that would cost the district a lot of money. If the same criteria applied, they'd be trying to equalize the numbers in those 4 clusters at about 7.1% - hardly a problem number.

It's not just FARMS.. remember they're focused on race also.

Whitman: 67% white
Churchill: 40% white
BCC: 57% white
WJ: 54% white

So Whitman has a target on its back for being too white for MCPS.

Honestly, I think you are spouting paranoid White Supremecist propaganda - focusing on whites being replaced by minority groups.

Straight from MCPS's own site:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/evidence-of-learning-framework/equity-accountability-model.aspx

Look at the 5 "focus groups". They only care about Whites and Asians if they are FARMS. For every other race, they focus on both FARMS and non-FARMS.

Why would an equity accountability model include a focus group for white students who aren't FARMS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

The at a glance numbers (a little out of date at this point) show Whitman and Churchill at less than 5% FARMS, WJ at 7.5% and BCC at 11.1. I am not sure what it would accomplish to move one bus of kids from Churchill to Whitman. In the Seneca Valley study, the Superintendent worked to reduce the FARMS disparity among the HS clusters in the cluster and not make transportation changes that would cost the district a lot of money. If the same criteria applied, they'd be trying to equalize the numbers in those 4 clusters at about 7.1% - hardly a problem number.

It's not just FARMS.. remember they're focused on race also.

Whitman: 67% white
Churchill: 40% white
BCC: 57% white
WJ: 54% white

So Whitman has a target on its back for being too white for MCPS.

Honestly, I think you are spouting paranoid White Supremecist propaganda - focusing on whites being replaced by minority groups.

Straight from MCPS's own site:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/evidence-of-learning-framework/equity-accountability-model.aspx

Look at the 5 "focus groups". They only care about Whites and Asians if they are FARMS. For every other race, they focus on both FARMS and non-FARMS.

DP.. yes, because they are trying to close the achievement gap.

On the one hand, people complain that BOE just wants to bring in wealthier kids to mask the achievement gap; here, on the other hand people complain that BOE is focusing and highlighting the achievement gap. Can't win.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread got derailed, but yes, there is a boundary study underway.

I suggest you make your voice heard. Here are the upcoming community meetings:
https://mcpsweb.wufoo.com/forms/districtwide-boundary-analysis-public-meetings/

The past meetings, they did a pretty good job filling them with students compared to homeowners, and students are largely in favor of redistricting for "equity" reasons, ignoring the effects of busing and property values.

As for the W schools, they're gunning for them, especially Whitman which has the highest percentage of white students in of any high school in MoCo. You can bet they want to change that. At the very least, I can see them changing the edge boundaries, like near Westbard (BCC) and Carderock/Avenel (Churchill), and probably a bit in the Bradley Hills/NIH area too (mostly WJ).

WJ's gonna get hit for sure. If you look at their boundaries, there's a carve-out in Kensington so those kids end up at WJ instead of the nearest school (Einstein?). Then we have the Woodward thing as another poster mentioned.

Now is the time to get involved. Go to those meetings, write to your BOE members, etc.

Yesterday for example, the BOE voted on new boundaries for the Seneca Valley area. The vote was 7-1, with Smondrowski voting against the boundary changes.

I can't speak to the rest of it. But I live in the area near Westbard, and Westland Middle School, and I can say with absolute certainly that moving the boundary south of Little Falls (so into the Westbrook service area) will *not* make *any* school "less white."

Agree with above statement.

Avenel is more wealthy than Carderock.

Avenel has a whole section of low-income housing that was mandated when Avenel was built. There's incentive to shift all Avenel to Whitman to get them in there.

The at a glance numbers (a little out of date at this point) show Whitman and Churchill at less than 5% FARMS, WJ at 7.5% and BCC at 11.1. I am not sure what it would accomplish to move one bus of kids from Churchill to Whitman. In the Seneca Valley study, the Superintendent worked to reduce the FARMS disparity among the HS clusters in the cluster and not make transportation changes that would cost the district a lot of money. If the same criteria applied, they'd be trying to equalize the numbers in those 4 clusters at about 7.1% - hardly a problem number.

It's not just FARMS.. remember they're focused on race also.

Whitman: 67% white
Churchill: 40% white
BCC: 57% white
WJ: 54% white

So Whitman has a target on its back for being too white for MCPS.

Honestly, I think you are spouting paranoid White Supremecist propaganda - focusing on whites being replaced by minority groups.

Straight from MCPS's own site:
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/evidence-of-learning-framework/equity-accountability-model.aspx

Look at the 5 "focus groups". They only care about Whites and Asians if they are FARMS. For every other race, they focus on both FARMS and non-FARMS.

DP.. yes, because they are trying to close the achievement gap.

On the one hand, people complain that BOE just wants to bring in wealthier kids to mask the achievement gap; here, on the other hand people complain that BOE is focusing and highlighting the achievement gap. Can't win.

If it was a color-blind SES model, I'd be fine with that. Their model seems to be that they care about any FARMS kids (which I agree with) and then any non-FARMS kids only if they are not white nor Asian. So they focus on what comprise the majority of students anyway, and leave out the minority of non-FARMS Asians and whites. At that point, why not just focus on the student body as a whole instead of excluding two specific races?

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If it was a color-blind SES model, I'd be fine with that. Their model seems to be that they care about any FARMS kids (which I agree with) and then any non-FARMS kids only if they are not white nor Asian. So they focus on what comprise the majority of students anyway, and leave out the minority of non-FARMS Asians and whites. At that point, why not just focus on the student body as a whole instead of excluding two specific races?

This is not a list of groups that MCPS is "focusing on" from an instruction standpoint. It is a list of groups that are being disaggregated in terms of data collection.

It makes sense to me from a policy standpoint, to be honest. Let's say you have 100 kids, and you want to know how they are doing and which groups are struggling. It genuinely helps to know whether white kids on FARMS do worse than white kids in general, because that tells you something about how poverty intersects with school performance. Similarly, if you disaggregate Black non-FARMS from Black FARMS, you can better identify whether it is race, income, or both that are creating challenges for that population.

Your interventions will be different depending on whether the challenge is based on race or income.