Midwife charged after at-home birth ends in death of baby

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.

Would love for you to post those articles. Could you also include your source for these statements?

Home births are always safer. Fact.

Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing.

Thanks!

NP. Hey, I'll take a stab at it!

Oh, shoot. It seems to be backwards.

Study results showed that planned home birth was associated with a perinatal death rate of 3.9 per 1,000 births, compared with 1.8 per 1,000 planned in-hospital births (adjusted OR = 2.43; 95% CI, 1.37-4.3).
Risk for perinatal mortality lower for hospital births vs. in-home births.
Snowden JM, et al. N Engl J Med. 2015;doi:10.1056/NEJMsa1501738.
Greene MF, et al. N Engl J Med. 2015;doi:10.1056/NEJMe1511068.

https://www.healio.com/pediatrics/neonatal-medicine/news/online/%7B0faf4b5e-ac09-42d1-8322-32ba6ffb8a76%7D/risk-for-perinatal-mortality-lower-for-hospital-births-vs-in-home-births

You can find not-very-good studies which show home births are safer, but check the comparison groups. They are not comparing groups at similar risk levels.

Thank you. I was laughing so hard at the “homebirths are always safer. Fact” drivel that I couldn’t get it together long enough to write a coherent response.

I can’t believw there are people out there who actually think homebirth is safer. It boggles the mind.

[Anonymous]

The natural birth cultists are a lot like anti-vaxers. They will believe what they want, evidence-based medicine be damned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The natural birth cultists are a lot like anti-vaxers. They will believe what they want, evidence-based medicine be damned.

You apparently don't know about all those disgusting people in hospitals. Come enjoy my lovely fruit bowl, but only until six weeks before Christmas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The natural birth cultists are a lot like anti-vaxers. They will believe what they want, evidence-based medicine be damned.

You apparently don't know about all those disgusting people in hospitals. Come enjoy my lovely fruit bowl, but only until six weeks before Christmas.

You aren't making a strong case for your logical thinking skills here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The natural birth cultists are a lot like anti-vaxers. They will believe what they want, evidence-based medicine be damned.

You apparently don't know about all those disgusting people in hospitals. Come enjoy my lovely fruit bowl, but only until six weeks before Christmas.

You aren't making a strong case for your logical thinking skills here.

Ah. You're new to this DCUM thing, then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The natural birth cultists are a lot like anti-vaxers. They will believe what they want, evidence-based medicine be damned.

You apparently don't know about all those disgusting people in hospitals. Come enjoy my lovely fruit bowl, but only until six weeks before Christmas.

You aren't making a strong case for your logical thinking skills here.

Ah. You're new to this DCUM thing, then?

DP. I agree with PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I^ I am not a homebirther by any stretch, or a natural birther. Epidural all the way for me

But given that the US truly does have abysmal fetal and maternal mortality rates, like truly abysmal, the same argument could apply: anyone who would knowingly take the risk of a hospital birth given the statistics, is taking their baby's life in their hands.

Try to separate emotion. Women make choices that feel right and while it is true some babies would be better off in the hospital birth, the reverse is true as well.

Just stop the name calling and try to LISTEN.

um no ... I'm not listening to utter nonsense. This woman had a breech baby - she had NO business having a home birth.

[Anonymous]

This sounds like just a bad Lifetime movie.

I wonder if the Mother got this midwife from an agency or Care.com or Craigslist.

Regardless this is a very tragic story to hear. ;(

[Anonymous]

Here’s another one disproving the claim that home births are safer than hospital births. This OB writes a lot about the homebirth and natural birth worlds - very interesting reading.

http://www.skepticalob.com/2014/01/homebirth-midwives-reveal-death-rate-450-higher-than-hospital-birth-announce-that-it-shows-homebirth-is-safe.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's post some articles on how many women and babies have died because they went to a hospital instead of staying home. I guarantee the number far exceeds the number mentioned in this article. Home births are always safer. Fact. Of course there are a few outliers for whom a hospital birth is necessary, but they're truly outliers. Most home births are safe and most are much safer than being in a germy money making hospital with dozens of hands in the pot, none knowing what the other is doing. Women, especially black women, die in hospitals every day. The United States has the WORST infant mortality rate of ANY developed nation, and we also have the highest rate of hospital births.

Also, it says she wasn't licensed IN THAT STATE, not that she had no training and wasn't licensed at all anywhere.

And tell us how you feel about vaccinations. I’m curious.

fully vaccinated, dumb ass. Not wanting to give birth in a hospital has nothing to do with not wanting to get polio (which would land one in a hospital.) See how that works?

I ignore all posts that end with “see how that works?” or call other posters “sweetie” or “honey.”

[Anonymous]

You’ll never convince a home birther they were wrong because that would be to admit that they risked their baby’s life because of their own vanity and paranoia and that’s understandably an unacceptable thing to acknowledge.

[Anonymous]

In 1900, before modern medicine, 16.5% of childbirths resulted in a non-living baby.

There are medical treatments you might wish to decline, such as a knee cortisone shot.

But childbirth is DANGEROUS. It is risky. Do not do it without very good medical care. If you do choose to leave the hospital for childbirth, you’re taking a future life in your hands. It is then on you to make sure you have an excellent medical plan if something goes wrong.

[Anonymous]

New PP here.

I had a home birth. Low risk pregnancy. Textbook delivery. Attended by 2 midwives and an apprentice. Baby nursed within moments of birth. I was never separated from him. Beautiful healthy kid. Fully vaccinated, by the way.

It was the right choice for me and my baby. I avoided the stress of strangers traipsing through my room disturbing the privacy that is most conducive to labor. I avoided hospital staff watching the clock to see if I met the hospital's policy about how fast my labor should progress, avoided pitocin and starting the cascade of intense contractions that can't be managed without an epidural. I avoided nurses shouting at me to wait to push because the doctor wasn't ready yet. The list goes on and on. All of those things have happened to friends and acquaintances during their births.

No thanks. For a low risk pregnancy, I'll take the midwife route every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New PP here.

I had a home birth. Low risk pregnancy. Textbook delivery. Attended by 2 midwives and an apprentice. Baby nursed within moments of birth. I was never separated from him. Beautiful healthy kid. Fully vaccinated, by the way.

It was the right choice for me and my baby. I avoided the stress of strangers traipsing through my room disturbing the privacy that is most conducive to labor. I avoided hospital staff watching the clock to see if I met the hospital's policy about how fast my labor should progress, avoided pitocin and starting the cascade of intense contractions that can't be managed without an epidural. I avoided nurses shouting at me to wait to push because the doctor wasn't ready yet. The list goes on and on. All of those things have happened to friends and acquaintances during their births.

No thanks. For a low risk pregnancy, I'll take the midwife route every time.

I had a low risk pregnancy, gave birth vaginally without an epidural, and then had a massive postpartum hemorrhage that almost killed me. I didn’t need to be in a hospital until I really needed to be in a hospital, and I’m not sure I would have been able to make it quickly enough from home. I’m glad your home birth was uneventful, and I understand that we all assume various risks every day, but don’t assume low risk means no risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New PP here.

I had a home birth. Low risk pregnancy. Textbook delivery. Attended by 2 midwives and an apprentice. Baby nursed within moments of birth. I was never separated from him. Beautiful healthy kid. Fully vaccinated, by the way.

It was the right choice for me and my baby. I avoided the stress of strangers traipsing through my room disturbing the privacy that is most conducive to labor. I avoided hospital staff watching the clock to see if I met the hospital's policy about how fast my labor should progress, avoided pitocin and starting the cascade of intense contractions that can't be managed without an epidural. I avoided nurses shouting at me to wait to push because the doctor wasn't ready yet. The list goes on and on. All of those things have happened to friends and acquaintances during their births.

No thanks. For a low risk pregnancy, I'll take the midwife route every time.

Cool story. Did you miss the part where this story involved a high-risk pregnancy?