Official Abortion Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile birth rates are at a 32 year low. We are turning into Japan and all you anti-lifers won't have anyone take care of you when older.

https://wtop.com/national/2019/05/fewer-babies-as-us-birth-rate-fails-to-rebound-with-economy/

It overall better for this planet humans are destroying. You can’t deny that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shocking that men don’t take greater care not to cause an accidental pregnancy, either by keeping their pants zipped or getting a vasectomy or at the very least always using condoms.

But really it comes down to men being irresponsible. Learn to say no to your baser instincts, boys. Don’t have sex unless you are willing to deal with the consequences of creating a baby. Wait until you’ve found them right woman you want to spend the rest of your life with.

I have an acquaintance that is fostering her niece (brother’s child). We have had conversations about the child’s mother getting clean, getting a job, visitations, turning her life around so she can get custody of her child. She’s young and this is her first child.
It’s the brother’s 9th child.
The oldest is 31, youngest is 11 months.
He’s just the gift that keeps on giving.
I wonder how common this type of story is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile birth rates are at a 32 year low. We are turning into Japan and all you anti-lifers won't have anyone take care of you when older.

https://wtop.com/national/2019/05/fewer-babies-as-us-birth-rate-fails-to-rebound-with-economy/

What do you expect in the country without parental leave, universal healthcare, and affordable childcare?

+1. Interesting fact from NPR story last night on diapers that text you when they need to be changed (yes really ). 1/3 of new parents can’t afford diapers.

[Anonymous]

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A woman has a right to control her body. Period. It doesn't matter the reason.

Too bad the body control only occurs after the pregnancy.

Abortion is the only way women can seemingly control their bodies.

I like how you let men off the hook so easily.

Unfortunately, I didn’t create humankind. I made no personal decision to build a woman’s body to carry unborn babies, and gift a man with a penis.

I also don’t force women to have sex with men who will not support them in case pregnancy occurs. Women choose who they have sex with. If they have sex with a man who won’t help support a possible pregnancy I can’t prevent that.

However, a man can be forced to take a paternity test and the government will even take money out of his check for child support should he prove to be the father and refuse financial responsibility.

You live in a fantasy world where there are no deadbeat “dads.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 54-year-old woman, so the birth control pill and abortion have been available throughout my reproductive years, though I have never had an abortion.

I was raised Catholic in the 1970s, attending a parochial grade school and high school. Of the 17 girls in my 8th-grade class of 1978, seven (that I know of) became pregnant out of wedlock - anywhere from high school to a couple of years after college. Most are Caucasian, a few Hispanic. We were taught that b/c was a sin AND totally ineffective. We were also taught that abortion is a mortal sin. This was drilled into us relentlessly, so I have no doubt that this is why my female peers opted not to use b/c and wound up pregnant. Abortion was obviously not an option. Unlike girls a born a decade earlier, all of these girls/women kept their children. Most married the fathers.

Over the years, I have seen what played out. Now I am Facebook friends with most of these women. None of their lives are great, except for maybe one. Most seem sad and caught in a lower-class lifestyle. A few are mothers of incarcerated men. All except for one are divorced and on second or third marriages. None have wealth. Most did not finish college and work low-wage jobs, or don’t work at all. Strikingly, most have children who also have children out of wedlock. It’s like watching this terrible cycle play out all over again.

From what I can gather, all of these women are still strongly against abortion. I was spared their fate, so I view the world through a different lens. The older I get, the more I directly blame the Catholic Church for how my generation (of Catholics) wound up. While our priests were getting it on with each other at the rectory (documented), we were being taught a long list of “sins.” I feel as though I was raised in a cult, managed to get out, but still experience the pain of seeing those who did not fare so well.

The GOP needs an under-class to exploit and profit from. Their policies demonstrate that living children are of little concern to them. The Catholic Church and Evangelical churches need members to generate enough donations for church leaders to live high on the hog while “the faithful” procreate and shuffle along.

Restricting abortion access has never been about babies. It has been totally about controlling women and ensuring a lower class of sheeple. I have a 14-year-old daughter and I am genuinely afraid for the future in which she will live.

+1. 44 year old woman who is “lapsed Catholic” but was raised strict Catholic. I never needed an abortion either, in my mind. But not the church’s— I lost an ectopic pregnancy in a manner they would consider abortion.

15 year old DD. There is no way I would allow her to go to college in the South.

[Anonymous]

The greatest achievement for women’s success is to control when/if they have a child. Self-determination is critical when we live in a society with no social safety net.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 54-year-old woman, so the birth control pill and abortion have been available throughout my reproductive years, though I have never had an abortion.

I was raised Catholic in the 1970s, attending a parochial grade school and high school. Of the 17 girls in my 8th-grade class of 1978, seven (that I know of) became pregnant out of wedlock - anywhere from high school to a couple of years after college. Most are Caucasian, a few Hispanic. We were taught that b/c was a sin AND totally ineffective. We were also taught that abortion is a mortal sin. This was drilled into us relentlessly, so I have no doubt that this is why my female peers opted not to use b/c and wound up pregnant. Abortion was obviously not an option. Unlike girls a born a decade earlier, all of these girls/women kept their children. Most married the fathers.

Over the years, I have seen what played out. Now I am Facebook friends with most of these women. None of their lives are great, except for maybe one. Most seem sad and caught in a lower-class lifestyle. A few are mothers of incarcerated men. All except for one are divorced and on second or third marriages. None have wealth. Most did not finish college and work low-wage jobs, or don’t work at all. Strikingly, most have children who also have children out of wedlock. It’s like watching this terrible cycle play out all over again.

From what I can gather, all of these women are still strongly against abortion. I was spared their fate, so I view the world through a different lens. The older I get, the more I directly blame the Catholic Church for how my generation (of Catholics) wound up. While our priests were getting it on with each other at the rectory (documented), we were being taught a long list of “sins.” I feel as though I was raised in a cult, managed to get out, but still experience the pain of seeing those who did not fare so well.

The GOP needs an under-class to exploit and profit from. Their policies demonstrate that living children are of little concern to them. The Catholic Church and Evangelical churches need members to generate enough donations for church leaders to live high on the hog while “the faithful” procreate and shuffle along.

Restricting abortion access has never been about babies. It has been totally about controlling women and ensuring a lower class of sheeple. I have a 14-year-old daughter and I am genuinely afraid for the future in which she will live.

+1000

Yup, these are the intended consequences of anti-abortion policies. It's about keeping a permanent underclass in check who will live in a cycle of poverty, low wages, and incarceration. A poor populace is the source of wealth creation for business owners/executive, political elites, and religious leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that less than 0.1% of all abortions are due to rape, yet the left brings this up as the reason to keep RvW.

If you are a woman, did you home school and never went to a college? Or did you wear chastity belt until you got married?

[Anonymous]

My problem with banning abortion is women are the ones who must live with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. If we had a culture of men being responsible and a ton of single dads, I might entertain a ban but this isn’t what we have. Single mothers are doomed to a life of poverty. No one ever congratulated women for taking care of their children; these women are scorned and ridiculed for being on SNAP, which the GOP wants to end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My problem with banning abortion is women are the ones who must live with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy. If we had a culture of men being responsible and a ton of single dads, I might entertain a ban but this isn’t what we have. Single mothers are doomed to a life of poverty. No one ever congratulated women for taking care of their children; these women are scorned and ridiculed for being on SNAP, which the GOP wants to end.

exactly. men don't suffer any consequences. that is why people are suggesting castration. Why do men get to go around impregnating women and not worry about it?

[Anonymous]

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look, I'm sorry you don't like these reasons. I get it.

BUT, then help us to reduce the need by providing free birth control (including LARCS), comprehensive sex education (not abstinence only propaganda), affordable and accessible health care, assistance to low income mothers and children and affordable and accessible child care.

If you aren't willing to do these things, the need for abortion will remain.

The biggest need us for cultural changes to make people avail themselves if all these free services and then use them. If you want abortions to be rare, you have to make people take responsibility for their reproduction. I am an L and D nurse and many of the women I see claimed to have an IUD, always took their pills, had a failed implant, or the classic broken condom. Statistically, these could not have occurred with the frequency I see them and their babies suffer for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 54-year-old woman, so the birth control pill and abortion have been available throughout my reproductive years, though I have never had an abortion.

I was raised Catholic in the 1970s, attending a parochial grade school and high school. Of the 17 girls in my 8th-grade class of 1978, seven (that I know of) became pregnant out of wedlock - anywhere from high school to a couple of years after college. Most are Caucasian, a few Hispanic. We were taught that b/c was a sin AND totally ineffective. We were also taught that abortion is a mortal sin. This was drilled into us relentlessly, so I have no doubt that this is why my female peers opted not to use b/c and wound up pregnant. Abortion was obviously not an option. Unlike girls a born a decade earlier, all of these girls/women kept their children. Most married the fathers.

Over the years, I have seen what played out. Now I am Facebook friends with most of these women. None of their lives are great, except for maybe one. Most seem sad and caught in a lower-class lifestyle. A few are mothers of incarcerated men. All except for one are divorced and on second or third marriages. None have wealth. Most did not finish college and work low-wage jobs, or don’t work at all. Strikingly, most have children who also have children out of wedlock. It’s like watching this terrible cycle play out all over again.

From what I can gather, all of these women are still strongly against abortion. I was spared their fate, so I view the world through a different lens. The older I get, the more I directly blame the Catholic Church for how my generation (of Catholics) wound up. While our priests were getting it on with each other at the rectory (documented), we were being taught a long list of “sins.” I feel as though I was raised in a cult, managed to get out, but still experience the pain of seeing those who did not fare so well.

The GOP needs an under-class to exploit and profit from. Their policies demonstrate that living children are of little concern to them. The Catholic Church and Evangelical churches need members to generate enough donations for church leaders to live high on the hog while “the faithful” procreate and shuffle along.

Restricting abortion access has never been about babies. It has been totally about controlling women and ensuring a lower class of sheeple. I have a 14-year-old daughter and I am genuinely afraid for the future in which she will live.

+1. 44 year old woman who is “lapsed Catholic” but was raised strict Catholic. I never needed an abortion either, in my mind. But not the church’s— I lost an ectopic pregnancy in a manner they would consider abortion.

15 year old DD. There is no way I would allow her to go to college in the South.

Well, praise be to the nuns at my parochial school who brought a woman in to teach us about our menstrual cycle, when you are most fertile and natural signs of increased fertility. We made fun of the lesson and we didn't get the message birth control was immoral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

look, I'm sorry you don't like these reasons. I get it.

BUT, then help us to reduce the need by providing free birth control (including LARCS), comprehensive sex education (not abstinence only propaganda), affordable and accessible health care, assistance to low income mothers and children and affordable and accessible child care.

If you aren't willing to do these things, the need for abortion will remain.

The biggest need us for cultural changes to make people avail themselves if all these free services and then use them. If you want abortions to be rare, you have to make people take responsibility for their reproduction. I am an L and D nurse and many of the women I see claimed to have an IUD, always took their pills, had a failed implant, or the classic broken condom. Statistically, these could not have occurred with the frequency I see them and their babies suffer for it.

Holy shit, have you ever heard of the term "sampling bias"?

You're a labor and delivery nurse. Of course you see all the exceptions and birth control failures! No sh#t, Sherlock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

look, I'm sorry you don't like these reasons. I get it.

BUT, then help us to reduce the need by providing free birth control (including LARCS), comprehensive sex education (not abstinence only propaganda), affordable and accessible health care, assistance to low income mothers and children and affordable and accessible child care.

If you aren't willing to do these things, the need for abortion will remain.

The biggest need us for cultural changes to make people avail themselves if all these free services and then use them. If you want abortions to be rare, you have to make people take responsibility for their reproduction. I am an L and D nurse and many of the women I see claimed to have an IUD, always took their pills, had a failed implant, or the classic broken condom. Statistically, these could not have occurred with the frequency I see them and their babies suffer for it.

Holy shit, have you ever heard of the term "sampling bias"?

You're a labor and delivery nurse. Of course you see all the exceptions and birth control failures! No sh#t, Sherlock.

Of course I understand sampling bias. I also understand the difference between anecdotal information and rigorous research. Do you?

[Anonymous]

If Colorado can legalize a federal felony, Alabama can criminalize a federal right.