What is the state flagship of Pennsylvania?

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

Pitt: 1280-1420 middle 50%
PSU: 1250-1450 middle 50%

PP: Where did you get your data?
I was basing mine from each school's 2017-2018 Common data set, which shows Pitt a good deal higher:
PSU University Park: 580-660 Critical Reading, 580-680 Math GPA 3.58

Pitt, Pittsburgh: 620-700, Critical Reading, 620-720 Math, GPA 4.03

https://admissions.psu.edu/apply/statistics/
https://oafa.pitt.edu/explore/class-profile/

These are admitted students; common data set looks at enrolled students. I wouldn't consider 40 points "a good deal higher".

Also, trying to compare weighted GPA with unweighted doesn't tell you much.

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Isn't Temple private?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the warped view?

We’ve noticed more and more kids interested in U of A, likely because of their transparent approach to financial aid. Consult the table for your GPA and standardized test score and there’s your aid package. Refreshingly straightforward. My daughter applied and sure enough the FA offering matched the table. What a concept!

No, I was agreeing with the statement that U of A is more highly regarded, there was someone back some pages who was saying ASU ought to be the flagship--that's warped.

Ah, gotcha. Interesting comment about warped because in our little world every time ASU is mentioned the words “party school” tend to follow. Undoubtedly unfair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

Pitt: 1280-1420 middle 50%
PSU: 1250-1450 middle 50%

PP: Where did you get your data?
I was basing mine from each school's 2017-2018 Common data set, which shows Pitt a good deal higher:
PSU University Park: 580-660 Critical Reading, 580-680 Math GPA 3.58

Pitt, Pittsburgh: 620-700, Critical Reading, 620-720 Math, GPA 4.03

https://admissions.psu.edu/apply/statistics/
https://oafa.pitt.edu/explore/class-profile/

These are admitted students; common data set looks at enrolled students. I wouldn't consider 40 points "a good deal higher".

Also, trying to compare weighted GPA with unweighted doesn't tell you much.

Well, enrolled students are what counts. And it's 80 points of total SAT score which does seem a "good deal higher" (though not quite 100 points as I first thought offhand). If you compare this to national percentiles Penn State's 25th percentile mark is at 67% whereas Pitt's is at 80%. That's fairly different to me .And since the GPAs are both drawn from the Common Data Set for PA, they might both be reporting weighted--I don't know--but even so >.5 average difference is meaningful. I don't have a horse in this race--I didn't go to either school nor are any of my kids--just found it interesting and wondered if it was pointing to a trend towards more urban schools.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

Pitt: 1280-1420 middle 50%
PSU: 1250-1450 middle 50%

PP: Where did you get your data?
I was basing mine from each school's 2017-2018 Common data set, which shows Pitt a good deal higher:
PSU University Park: 580-660 Critical Reading, 580-680 Math GPA 3.58

Pitt, Pittsburgh: 620-700, Critical Reading, 620-720 Math, GPA 4.03

https://admissions.psu.edu/apply/statistics/
https://oafa.pitt.edu/explore/class-profile/

These are admitted students; common data set looks at enrolled students. I wouldn't consider 40 points "a good deal higher".

Also, trying to compare weighted GPA with unweighted doesn't tell you much.

Well, enrolled students are what counts. And it's 80 points of total SAT score which does seem a "good deal higher" (though not quite 100 points as I first thought offhand). If you compare this to national percentiles Penn State's 25th percentile mark is at 67% whereas Pitt's is at 80%. That's fairly different to me .And since the GPAs are both drawn from the Common Data Set for PA, they might both be reporting weighted--I don't know--but even so >.5 average difference is meaningful. I don't have a horse in this race--I didn't go to either school nor are any of my kids--just found it interesting and wondered if it was pointing to a trend towards more urban schools.

Pitt offers significant merit aid to high achieving students. PSU does not. That's the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't Temple private?

Temple is public, Drexel is private

[Anonymous]

Penn

[Anonymous]

Penn State, Temple, and Pitt are not 100% state schools like other state schools in Pennsylvania (like West Chester, Shippensburg, Millersville, etc.). Temple, Penn State, and Pitt are state-related, so they get some aid from the state but not as much as a true public state school in Pennsylvania. Here's a short explanation:

https://www.pitt.edu/chancellor-search/state-related