What is the state flagship of Pennsylvania?

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You get it’s not really a ship, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Pitt, PSU and Temple are all considered the Tier 1 public schools in Pennsylvania. There are a number of others that are considered Tier 2 like Slippery Rock, IUP, Bloomsburg to name a few.

The ranking of the school has nothing to do with which school is the flagship. Penn State is most definitely the Pennsylvania state flagship school. Pitt and Temple are both funded differently so neither of them are the flagship. And as with any battle group, there can only be one flagship.

You get it’s not really a ship, right?

Haha, right, but it’s a metaphor/analogy where the comparison between the items has to make sense. You don’t have three flagships, only one.

You have to look at the history of each state’s higher education system to understand why one school is the flagship for that particular state (except New York, of course, where they decided to not have a flagship school).

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What was the thinking in NY?

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Penn State is the flagship public in PA. More specifically it’s Penn state University Park, as there are other four year PSU campuses and they aren’t considered the flagship.

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Anonymous wrote:What was the thinking in NY?

The state statutory colleges at Cornell were originally intended to be a combined flagship. The other SUNY schools were former community colleges (like several of the "SUNY College at ___"), bankrupt private schools that the state took over (like Binghamton), or state teachers'/nursing schools. The NY private universities heavily lobbied the NYS legislature not to create a flagship, although that was decades ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The top state school in Pennsylvania that I can think of is Penn State. Is this the highest ranking public in PA?

Flagship isn't the same as highest ranking. Often, that's true, but not always.

Penn State is definitely Pennsylvania's flagship.

Right. Like Georgia, for example? GT is higher ranked than UGA, but UGA is the flagship.

What about states like Arizona- is the flagship ASU or U of A? How about New York? Does it even have a flagship? Indiana University vs. Purdue?

University of Arizona.

But Arizona State is better in almost all majors and as a whole.

What? Not in any field I'm acquainted with.

[Anonymous]

It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

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Anonymous wrote:The top state school in Pennsylvania that I can think of is Penn State. Is this the highest ranking public in PA?

Flagship isn't the same as highest ranking. Often, that's true, but not always.

Penn State is definitely Pennsylvania's flagship.

Right. Like Georgia, for example? GT is higher ranked than UGA, but UGA is the flagship.

What about states like Arizona- is the flagship ASU or U of A? How about New York? Does it even have a flagship? Indiana University vs. Purdue?

University of Arizona.

But Arizona State is better in almost all majors and as a whole.

What? Not in any field I'm acquainted with.

Yeah, was going to let that slide since off topic, but the warped East Coast take on ASU is laughable. Either way, U of A is the flag, ASU was the teachers college.

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What’s the warped view?

We’ve noticed more and more kids interested in U of A, likely because of their transparent approach to financial aid. Consult the table for your GPA and standardized test score and there’s your aid package. Refreshingly straightforward. My daughter applied and sure enough the FA offering matched the table. What a concept!

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

FWIW, PSU had over 52,000 applications in 2018. Pitt had 27,000.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

Pitt: 1280-1420 middle 50%
PSU: 1250-1450 middle 50%

[Anonymous]

Here's a good way to find out.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+are+the+flagship+universities+of+each+state

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the warped view?

We’ve noticed more and more kids interested in U of A, likely because of their transparent approach to financial aid. Consult the table for your GPA and standardized test score and there’s your aid package. Refreshingly straightforward. My daughter applied and sure enough the FA offering matched the table. What a concept!

No, I was agreeing with the statement that U of A is more highly regarded, there was someone back some pages who was saying ASU ought to be the flagship--that's warped.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

Pitt: 1280-1420 middle 50%
PSU: 1250-1450 middle 50%

They're really not that far apart. I think that right now, the urban schools, Pitt and Temple, are very hot. Lots of really strong students from excellent public and private schools are choosing them. Penn State may be a little cooler in the wake of the Sandusky scandal and the fraternity death.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting--this is a case where another public school (University of Pittsburgh) than the flagship (Penn State) has higher academics -- Pitt's average SAT is about 100 points higher than PSU and has much higher average GPA. I wonder how much this shift is happening with kids going to stronger academic hs in metro areas wanting to stay in metro areas (where jobs, internships and broader cultural activities are) rather than where the traditional land grant flagships are in more isolated locations/college towns?

Pitt: 1280-1420 middle 50%
PSU: 1250-1450 middle 50%

PP: Where did you get your data?
I was basing mine from each school's 2017-2018 Common data set, which shows Pitt a good deal higher:
PSU University Park: 580-660 Critical Reading, 580-680 Math GPA 3.58

Pitt, Pittsburgh: 620-700, Critical Reading, 620-720 Math, GPA 4.03