Where are your kids Getting in?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3.6 UWGPA
3.8 WGPA (at private school with little weighed options)
33 ACT / 34 SS
White female. Captain of 2 sports teams and President of 2 very active clubs. Lots of volunteer and other EC's too.

Accepted to WPI (28K merit) ASU (16K merit) OSU (awaiting scholarship results) Purdue (no merit) WVU ($15K merit) UMich (no merit but 13K FA) Case Western (28K merit and FA package)

Only denial so far is Maryland. Awaiting RPI which is a target, and Rice and GT which are reaches.

What’s WPI, ASU, OSU (Oklahoma?)?

Wow, your DD got into Michigan but not MD? Michigan is probably a top 5 state school.

UMD-CP is tough to get into.

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

OMG, imagine having those stats and getting rejected by UVA. Kid has amazing other choices and it will all work out but that is just jaw dropping. I hope it was not first choice.

It was likely as an OOS applicant which I believe would have something to do with it. Doesn't UVA weight in-state applicants differently?

Could be a variety of things. Lack of demonstrated interest, yield protection, other factors involving course selection or extracurriculars. It’s hard to say.
My dd has a friend who was shocked by her rejection to UVA, but her 4.0 UW was in regular level classes, random electives and only 2 years of foreign language.

UVA doesn't engage in yield protection; it doesn't have to. You need a 4.44+ if not URM, Low income, etc. to get into UVA even with perfect scores, especially if from NOVA.

just on this thread alone, there is someone who got into uva with a 4.2 & someone (asian/white, obviously not urm) who got in with a 4.07. And they obviously got in early w/o being deferred. Where do you get the .44 anyway? 4.44 gets you in but not 4.43? And I don't know where you are but in fcps, there really aren't even that many kids with 4.4. You must be in a county where gpa's go up much higher. Maybe Loudoun?

PP here again. Once again, high school is private. Weighting is not as high as some publics. Kid is probably in top 10-15% of class. Half of the school are VA residents, so he has some tough competition within the school. Had he been in his local MCPS public school, I imagine he would have gotten at the very least deferred and had much higher likely of being admitted. It is fine...he is fine. We knew he would never end up there even if admitted because it was way down on his list.[/quote

There is a fixation with GPA here, but Dean J, the UVA Admissions Dean who is active on College Confidential and who blogs, always is quite clear that it is the transcript that they are looking at. Did the student take the most challenging curriculum, etc.? This helps explain differences in accepted GPAs.

You are absolutely right. I posted on page 1 that my child got into UVA EA with a 4.07, no hooks. It was much more about the transcript than the GPA. Took 10 AP classes, the 5 that had grades on the transcript were: B+, A-, A-, A- and A. Through HS, there was one B, four B+s, and the rest were A's and A-'s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3.6 UWGPA
3.8 WGPA (at private school with little weighed options)
33 ACT / 34 SS
White female. Captain of 2 sports teams and President of 2 very active clubs. Lots of volunteer and other EC's too.

Accepted to WPI (28K merit) ASU (16K merit) OSU (awaiting scholarship results) Purdue (no merit) WVU ($15K merit) UMich (no merit but 13K FA) Case Western (28K merit and FA package)

Only denial so far is Maryland. Awaiting RPI which is a target, and Rice and GT which are reaches.

What’s WPI, ASU, OSU (Oklahoma?)?

Wow, your DD got into Michigan but not MD? Michigan is probably a top 5 state school.

Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Arizona State University
Ohio State University

Yes, she got into Michigan EA. They look pretty holistically and like private school kids. Won’t be going due to costs though. It wasn’t a huge favorite of hers anyway so why spend more money? She is looking at 2 specific degrees and trying to double major in them. Not many schools allow it and most she will come out making the same. She is bucking the private school mentality of higher ranked is the best. I mean her counselor nearly chocked on some of her colleges she wanted to apply to. LOL. Talked her out of Iowa State and Minnesota and put in Mich and Rice. Ridiculous. But she likes most she applied to and put her foot down with applying to Arizona and Ohio State. Arizona is one of her favs for her degree. Looking for overall happiness and fit right now. Wants to leave the high stress. Pretty proud of her. Maryland was sad, but not too big of a deal. We knew they aren’t fans of private school kids. They heavily focus on weighted GPA’s and her school doesn’t have them. And we are in state, which makes it harder.

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

OMG, imagine having those stats and getting rejected by UVA. Kid has amazing other choices and it will all work out but that is just jaw dropping. I hope it was not first choice.

It was likely as an OOS applicant which I believe would have something to do with it. Doesn't UVA weight in-state applicants differently?

Could be a variety of things. Lack of demonstrated interest, yield protection, other factors involving course selection or extracurriculars. It’s hard to say.
My dd has a friend who was shocked by her rejection to UVA, but her 4.0 UW was in regular level classes, random electives and only 2 years of foreign language.

UVA doesn't engage in yield protection; it doesn't have to. You need a 4.44+ if not URM, Low income, etc. to get into UVA even with perfect scores, especially if from NOVA.

just on this thread alone, there is someone who got into uva with a 4.2 & someone (asian/white, obviously not urm) who got in with a 4.07. And they obviously got in early w/o being deferred. Where do you get the .44 anyway? 4.44 gets you in but not 4.43? And I don't know where you are but in fcps, there really aren't even that many kids with 4.4. You must be in a county where gpa's go up much higher. Maybe Loudoun?

Anyone in FCPS knows you need to be in top ten percent of your class to get into UVA. I have a senior there now. He would not get in today - that's how fast things are changing at all the state flagships. As to the data. Go to SCHEV.edu and you will get the incoming stats for last years (entering 2018, not accepted, which are higher stats). You can see that the top 25% median of the entering class t UVA last year was a 4.48 (that's where most of the FCPS kids are); median is a 4.33 and the bottom 25 percent of the class is a median 4.16. The bottom tends to be the TJ students, URM, Athletes, low-income, first generation, etc. etc. etc. So, yes, if you are caucasian at [b]Langley or McLean you better have a 4.48 or higher to be accepted if thetop 25% of the entering class has that or better. Several of my DS's friends came in with 6.0s and 16 AP courses. Here is the SCHEV site. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Just go to college confidential and read the results of the UVA EA class of 2023 and you will see the extraordinary records of students who get in and those deferred or denied.

Well, dc's friend got in EA with 4.1 from one of those school. White, no hook, not even a legacy.

Assuming DC has correct information - that student may have taken 16 AP courses, and has a 35-36 ACT or perfect SAT or SAT II Subject matter scores. He may also qualify as low-income, which you probably wouldn't know about. Musician? First generation? Eagle Scout? Those all help. A personal tragedy from which he has overcome? more points

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:3.6 UWGPA
3.8 WGPA (at private school with little weighed options)
33 ACT / 34 SS
White female. Captain of 2 sports teams and President of 2 very active clubs. Lots of volunteer and other EC's too.

Accepted to WPI (28K merit) ASU (16K merit) OSU (awaiting scholarship results) Purdue (no merit) WVU ($15K merit) UMich (no merit but 13K FA) Case Western (28K merit and FA package)

Only denial so far is Maryland. Awaiting RPI which is a target, and Rice and GT which are reaches.

Is your merit yearly? Or total?

[Anonymous]

Iowa State is an excellent environment for young womyn studying engineering due to the nurturing, collaborative nature of the programs, Aero in particular. There is plenty of on-campus recruitment and good advising for summer internships. Ames Lab is right there. It's a nice town, very safe.

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Anonymous wrote:3.6 UWGPA
3.8 WGPA (at private school with little weighed options)
33 ACT / 34 SS
White female. Captain of 2 sports teams and President of 2 very active clubs. Lots of volunteer and other EC's too.

Accepted to WPI (28K merit) ASU (16K merit) OSU (awaiting scholarship results) Purdue (no merit) WVU ($15K merit) UMich (no merit but 13K FA) Case Western (28K merit and FA package)

Only denial so far is Maryland. Awaiting RPI which is a target, and Rice and GT which are reaches.

Is your merit yearly? Or total?

Not PP, but based on my experience with merit scholarship money, probably annual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3.6 UWGPA
3.8 WGPA (at private school with little weighed options)
33 ACT / 34 SS
White female. Captain of 2 sports teams and President of 2 very active clubs. Lots of volunteer and other EC's too.

Accepted to WPI (28K merit) ASU (16K merit) OSU (awaiting scholarship results) Purdue (no merit) WVU ($15K merit) UMich (no merit but 13K FA) Case Western (28K merit and FA package)

Only denial so far is Maryland. Awaiting RPI which is a target, and Rice and GT which are reaches.

Is your merit yearly? Or total?

They are annual - so that amount each year X 4 - or actually half of that amount for 8 semesters, so if she does global or a co-op one semester, it will extend. Hope that makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

OMG, imagine having those stats and getting rejected by UVA. Kid has amazing other choices and it will all work out but that is just jaw dropping. I hope it was not first choice.

It was likely as an OOS applicant which I believe would have something to do with it. Doesn't UVA weight in-state applicants differently?

Could be a variety of things. Lack of demonstrated interest, yield protection, other factors involving course selection or extracurriculars. It’s hard to say.
My dd has a friend who was shocked by her rejection to UVA, but her 4.0 UW was in regular level classes, random electives and only 2 years of foreign language.

UVA doesn't engage in yield protection; it doesn't have to. You need a 4.44+ if not URM, Low income, etc. to get into UVA even with perfect scores, especially if from NOVA.

just on this thread alone, there is someone who got into uva with a 4.2 & someone (asian/white, obviously not urm) who got in with a 4.07. And they obviously got in early w/o being deferred. Where do you get the .44 anyway? 4.44 gets you in but not 4.43? And I don't know where you are but in fcps, there really aren't even that many kids with 4.4. You must be in a county where gpa's go up much higher. Maybe Loudoun?

Anyone in FCPS knows you need to be in top ten percent of your class to get into UVA. I have a senior there now. He would not get in today - that's how fast things are changing at all the state flagships. As to the data. Go to SCHEV.edu and you will get the incoming stats for last years (entering 2018, not accepted, which are higher stats). You can see that the top 25% median of the entering class t UVA last year was a 4.48 (that's where most of the FCPS kids are); median is a 4.33 and the bottom 25 percent of the class is a median 4.16. The bottom tends to be the TJ students, URM, Athletes, low-income, first generation, etc. etc. etc. So, yes, if you are caucasian at [b]Langley or McLean you better have a 4.48 or higher to be accepted if thetop 25% of the entering class has that or better. Several of my DS's friends came in with 6.0s and 16 AP courses. Here is the SCHEV site. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Just go to college confidential and read the results of the UVA EA class of 2023 and you will see the extraordinary records of students who get in and those deferred or denied.

Well, dc's friend got in EA with 4.1 from one of those school. White, no hook, not even a legacy.

My NOVA DS from one of the top handful of FCPS schools (white male, non-legacy, non-athlete, some interesting ECs but no unusually high achievements, good essays/recs) got in this year EA with 4.24/1410. Though we don't know exact rank, I highly doubt he's in the top 10%--but is probably in the top 20-25% of his high school. He thinks he just squeaked in with his GPA as most of his friends who got in had higher GPAs. I think he was close enough to the ballpark and then his essays/interests just made him stand out a bit. He wrote the UVA specific essay on the "flash seminar" and I thought his idea for that was really creative and thoughtful.

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Anonymous wrote:Iowa State is an excellent environment for young womyn studying engineering due to the nurturing, collaborative nature of the programs, Aero in particular. There is plenty of on-campus recruitment and good advising for summer internships. Ames Lab is right there. It's a nice town, very safe.

I agree. We didn’t visit but she researched it and loved it for her specialty. With merit (they had a graph like WVU has) it would have been only $24K a year to go total including room, meals, and all fees. I think the polar vortex while Arizona and Texas were in the 70’s helped her not force her counselor to keep it. But the reviews, college confidential etc... all praise that school like crazy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

Shocked by this! Are you in-state?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

Shocked by this! Are you in-state?

UVA really doesn't care as much about SAT/ACT scores, but REALLY cares about GPA and rigor of coursework relative to school offerings.

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

Shocked by this! Are you in-state?

UVA really doesn't care as much about SAT/ACT scores, but REALLY cares about GPA and rigor of coursework relative to school offerings.

If you had read the rest of the thread, the PP stated that course rigor was strong...GPA is reflective of a private school which weights differently AND out of state, AND in a school where many are VA residents.

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

Shocked by this! Are you in-state?

UVA really doesn't care as much about SAT/ACT scores, but REALLY cares about GPA and rigor of coursework relative to school offerings.

No. As said several times above, and per Dean J who writes their admissions blog, they care much more about the grades obtained in rigorous courses and much less about GPA as it is too hard to compare.

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Anonymous wrote:36 ACT 4.2 WGPA 3.89 UW

Accepted:
Notre Dame (invited to scholars and merit semifinalist)
BC
Villanova
Fordham (Dean’s Scholarship)
UMCP (B/K Scholarship)

Denied:
UVA

Let the record show that UVA reject kids with perfect ACTs and only 1 or 2 Bs on their high school transcript.

Shocked by this! Are you in-state?

UVA really doesn't care as much about SAT/ACT scores, but REALLY cares about GPA and rigor of coursework relative to school offerings.

No. As said several times above, and per Dean J who writes their admissions blog, they care much more about the grades obtained in rigorous courses and much less about GPA as it is too hard to compare.

Ok, yes technically GPA is re-calculated -- and comparing between schools it is important to note as GPAs calculations vary widely. But if you look in the context of your school's Naviance profile what you will see is a sea of green checks (admits) over a fairly straight line of GPAs (in our school it's around 4.3) with some fuzziness over the border. Occasionally a kid with 4.1 gets in and a kid with 4.5 does not--but hundreds and hundreds over several years follow this highly structured pattern. Because more than 25% of students take enough APs/IBs to meet the criteria of "rigorous course load," GPA is a fairly good proxy for what they look at. BUT the SAT axis can vary from 1200-1600, but the GPA axis has almost no variation. And it looks pretty much the same for any of the other NOVA public high school Naviance profiles I've seen. W&M is different--they seem to do a ratio of SAT. So a kid with a 3.9 might get in with a 1550 SAT whereas a kid with a 4.5 and a 1250 might not.