ACT scores drop nationwide for everyone - except asian-americans

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Anonymous wrote:I wish they would cull out the kids that test prep and run the numbers.

Are you suggesting kids should not prepare for the ACT or SAT now?

C'mon. I know one kid who took the SAT 7 times until they got the score the parents deemed acceptable.

And your point is?? If a runner runs the same course 100s of times to improve 0.1 sec, is that a bad thing? Oh, btw, for the sake of argument, let’s say the runner is not an Asian.

Again, if you work this hard to reduce your running time and you're Asian, it can only mean your Tiger Parent is forcing you to be successful. However, if you you're not Asian, I believe this is called Perseverance and is consider a good trait.

Um, no. Bad analogy. These tests were designed to be taken once. When most people take it once, and a segment of test takers turns it into a conditioning sport, it warps the results and renders the test far less useful for admissions officers.

What are you talking about??

Most people take the SATs and ACTs more than once. Very very few take them only once.

Even at my backwards, redneck, trailer park, no one leaves the state high school in the 80s, people would take the ACT at least twice, sometimes more.

Do you have any data because I’m the only person I know from my rural HS that took it twice

Nobody at our high school took it twice and most didn't take the PSAT either.

I don’t know of any schools where the psat isn’t mandatory. Where did you go to school?

[Anonymous]

One can opt out our HS by saying they plan to sit for the ACT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would cull out the kids that test prep and run the numbers.

Are you suggesting kids should not prepare for the ACT or SAT now?

C'mon. I know one kid who took the SAT 7 times until they got the score the parents deemed acceptable.

And your point is?? If a runner runs the same course 100s of times to improve 0.1 sec, is that a bad thing? Oh, btw, for the sake of argument, let’s say the runner is not an Asian.

Again, if you work this hard to reduce your running time and you're Asian, it can only mean your Tiger Parent is forcing you to be successful. However, if you you're not Asian, I believe this is called Perseverance and is consider a good trait.

Um, no. Bad analogy. These tests were designed to be taken once. When most people take it once, and a segment of test takers turns it into a conditioning sport, it warps the results and renders the test far less useful for admissions officers.

Lol, tell that to the College Board and ACT. They actively market for your student to take it multiple times.

Also, check out some major colleges admission websites. Many say they suggest taking it at least twice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would cull out the kids that test prep and run the numbers.

Are you suggesting kids should not prepare for the ACT or SAT now?

C'mon. I know one kid who took the SAT 7 times until they got the score the parents deemed acceptable.

And your point is?? If a runner runs the same course 100s of times to improve 0.1 sec, is that a bad thing? Oh, btw, for the sake of argument, let’s say the runner is not an Asian.

Again, if you work this hard to reduce your running time and you're Asian, it can only mean your Tiger Parent is forcing you to be successful. However, if you you're not Asian, I believe this is called Perseverance and is consider a good trait.

Um, no. Bad analogy. These tests were designed to be taken once. When most people take it once, and a segment of test takers turns it into a conditioning sport, it warps the results and renders the test far less useful for admissions officers.

What are you talking about??

Most people take the SATs and ACTs more than once. Very very few take them only once.

Even at my backwards, redneck, trailer park, no one leaves the state high school in the 80s, people would take the ACT at least twice, sometimes more.

Do you have any data because I’m the only person I know from my rural HS that took it twice

Nobody at our high school took it twice and most didn't take the PSAT either.

Have you been on college websites? Colleges specifically recommend you take it multiple times. At least twice.

[Anonymous]

That is so absurd that colleges suggest taking it twice. What a joke! This is a money grab by the College Board and now the colleges are in on it. Virtually anyone can do well with enough prep. My kid prepped, too, so i’m Not saying prepping is wrong. I just think the whole thing is a charade and a ridiculous money suck. I can’t wait until more schools go test optional. These tests are a meaningless waste of time and money.

[Anonymous]

1. Immigration
2. Economy, middle wages are basically flat for over 20yrs
3. Broken homes / no father figures
4. Pissing away life addicted to video games
5. Travel sports obsession takes priority over academics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Immigration
2. Economy, middle wages are basically flat for over 20yrs
3. Broken homes / no father figures
4. Pissing away life addicted to video games
5. Travel sports obsession takes priority over academics

How is immigration making white, black, and Latinos do worse on tests?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. Immigration
2. Economy, middle wages are basically flat for over 20yrs
3. Broken homes / no father figures
4. Pissing away life addicted to video games
5. Travel sports obsession takes priority over academics

How is immigration making white, black, and Latinos do worse on tests?

Doesn't matter.. it's always the immigrant's fault. /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One can opt out our HS by saying they plan to sit for the ACT

Why would you want to opt out of the PSAT? It's good practice, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

https://apnews.com/0a1274f987fa45c598dbdad9c6f0fb4a


Here is a reason for the score drop in one (very white) state, Nebraska.

The linked article states that Nebraska was anticipating scores to drop this year because it was the first year it required the ACT be taken by all students in the class. In prior years the ACT was completely voluntary.

The article also states that 17 states required all students to take the ACT this year.

Those states are all states with low asian populations:


Alabama
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
North Carolina
North Dakota
Utah
Wisconsin
Wyoming

Plus:
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
(Require ACT or SAT)


I could not find the 17th state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would cull out the kids that test prep and run the numbers.

Are you suggesting kids should not prepare for the ACT or SAT now?

C'mon. I know one kid who took the SAT 7 times until they got the score the parents deemed acceptable.

And your point is?? If a runner runs the same course 100s of times to improve 0.1 sec, is that a bad thing? Oh, btw, for the sake of argument, let’s say the runner is not an Asian.

Again, if you work this hard to reduce your running time and you're Asian, it can only mean your Tiger Parent is forcing you to be successful. However, if you you're not Asian, I believe this is called Perseverance and is consider a good trait.

Um, no. Bad analogy. These tests were designed to be taken once. When most people take it once, and a segment of test takers turns it into a conditioning sport, it warps the results and renders the test far less useful for admissions officers.

What are you talking about??

Most people take the SATs and ACTs more than once. Very very few take them only once.

Even at my backwards, redneck, trailer park, no one leaves the state high school in the 80s, people would take the ACT at least twice, sometimes more.

Do you have any data because I’m the only person I know from my rural HS that took it twice

Nobody at our high school took it twice and most didn't take the PSAT either.

I don’t know of any schools where the psat isn’t mandatory. Where did you go to school?

Pennsylvania.

[Anonymous]

My caucasian DC took the ACT one time, scored a 36, and is done. He did prep quite a bit. I know that is a problem for some of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Immigration
2. Economy, middle wages are basically flat for over 20yrs
3. Broken homes / no father figures
4. Pissing away life addicted to video games
5. Travel sports obsession takes priority over academics

How is immigration making white, black, and Latinos do worse on tests?

Garbage in garbage out. You think importing millions of illiterate third worlders and swamping strained US public schools with them helps anyone's score?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/0a1274f987fa45c598dbdad9c6f0fb4a


Here is a reason for the score drop in one (very white) state, Nebraska.

The linked article states that Nebraska was anticipating scores to drop this year because it was the first year it required the ACT be taken by all students in the class. In prior years the ACT was completely voluntary.

The article also states that 17 states required all students to take the ACT this year.

Those states are all states with low asian populations:


Alabama
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
North Carolina
North Dakota
Utah
Wisconsin
Wyoming

Plus:
Ohio
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
(Require ACT or SAT)


I could not find the 17th state.

Missouri. Most of these states are using ACT as their high school proficiency test (in lieu of PARCC or smarter balanced). That's why SAT changed recently BTW. When ACT was able to do 'double duty' (showing common core proficiency + college admissions) a number of states made it mandatory.

SAT changed so as to also be aligned to common core and valid for proficiency.

[Anonymous]

How is this a surprise when in practically every major city medicaid and/or anchor babies have outnumbered US citizens having kids? Then add in migrants and illegal teens. Come on, obvious recipe for sinking US public schools.