Washington Post Contributor Believed Killed by Saudi Arabia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems to be unfolding that the Trump IC had intercepts that Khashoggi was in danger at the hands of the Saudi's and didn't do anything.

And now Trump and the Administration are playing dumb with reporters on the world stage.

I fear that this Administration is complicit in the brutal death of Khashoggi and there will likely be no reprucussion from at home or abroad.

The rise of the authoritarian state in the US.

Journalists be damned. Truth be damned.

Next Leftist cause

WTF is wrong with you. This isn’t new. Progressives have not been pro SA ever, or fans of the Carlyle group, ever. The “Leftists” were not thrilled with Tom Friedman kissing MBS’s ass in his column. Roll your eyes at yourself.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the CNN idiot Nic Robertson saying Khashoggi came from "humble roots." What? This is the nephew of Adnan Khashoggi, mind you. This shows you the level of ignorance among the "experts" on Saudi Arabia. Sure. Khashoggi from humble roots. And I'm a beauty queen!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-knew-what-crossing-bin-salman-could-mean-intl/index.html

"Humble roots" is a relative term when it comes to Saudi Arabia. Nic Robertson knows the Middle East very well.

I lived in the Gulf for close to ten years. Even from a detached layman's perspective, it's staggering what the "experts" often get wrong about ME politics and family dynamics (the Gulf, for most practical purposes, is a series of family and tribal rivalries). If by humble roots you mean he wasn't of the house of Saud, fair enough, but that's not what humble means to people in the Western world.

I also lived in the Gulf, though for not as long. I didn't use the term "humble roots", but I imagine the Nic Robertson meant exactly what you said. Khashoggi had "humble roots" relative to the centers of power and wealth in the country.

It is sad that a man was apparently murdered by his government and then had his body dismembered and a CNN reporter's description of his roots is what is getting attention.

Using this definition, anyone who isn't Al-Saud or Al-Rashid has "humble roots." Ridiculous definition. No one with his last name is too far removed from wealth. His roots were as gilded as you can imagine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Saudi Arabia is just a horrible country right now

It's always been horrible. But Obama disagreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saudi Arabia is just a horrible country right now

It's always been horrible. But Obama disagreed.

And Trump disagreed even more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

Does Trump even get daily intel briefings? At this point I could see him being totally checked out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

If Khashoggi really was a CIA asset and the Saudis knew, I don't know what it is that you expect them to do with him, send him flowers? I mean any country would look very unkindly on their citizen becoming an asset to foreign intelligence. In fact, a charge of treason on that is not unwarranted. And maybe the KSA wanted to send a signal to their people - hey, do not become CIA assets!

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

If Khashoggi really was a CIA asset and the Saudis knew, I don't know what it is that you expect them to do with him, send him flowers? I mean any country would look very unkindly on their citizen becoming an asset to foreign intelligence. In fact, a charge of treason on that is not unwarranted. And maybe the KSA wanted to send a signal to their people - hey, do not become CIA assets!

What country are you rooting for? Serious question.

If DJT knew one of our assets was in grave danger and did nothing, he is complicit and is putting American security as risk. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

If Khashoggi really was a CIA asset and the Saudis knew, I don't know what it is that you expect them to do with him, send him flowers? I mean any country would look very unkindly on their citizen becoming an asset to foreign intelligence. In fact, a charge of treason on that is not unwarranted. And maybe the KSA wanted to send a signal to their people - hey, do not become CIA assets!

+1.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

If Khashoggi really was a CIA asset and the Saudis knew, I don't know what it is that you expect them to do with him, send him flowers? I mean any country would look very unkindly on their citizen becoming an asset to foreign intelligence. In fact, a charge of treason on that is not unwarranted. And maybe the KSA wanted to send a signal to their people - hey, do not become CIA assets!

You seem very eager to excuse this likely murder. The US has arrested American who spied for Israel. We didn’t chop them up into little pieces. Everyone should be outraged if this is what the Saudis did. That includes you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's fun to read how it's all Trump's fault.

The journalist is alive. Sorry.

Why are you sorry he is alive? For that matter, what evidence do you have that he is alive? Have we really reached the point that being pro-Trump means that you have to deny any world event that might make him look bad?

I hate KSA government and Trump as much as anyone. But I think it's ridiculous that some people are trying to hang this on Trump. A known repressive government has captured a critic of said government (a very recent one) in a third country. How is this America's fault? What does any of this have to do with Trump? And more broadly, since when does America have any power over what happens in KSA? No American government has really been able to pressure Saudis to do anything. Not big stuff, not little stuff. For Khashoggi, the man has eaten off the government largess long enough that I see his misfortune as occupational hazard, not martyrdom. Remember, this is the man who applauded the extermination of government opposition, who cheered on as the opposition cleric was beheaded. Now I'm supposed to grieve for him?

Trump had a call with the Saudi's the night before this went down. The US IC knew about the warnings - Trump had to have been briefed. Either Trump is complicit in having known about what was going to happen and didn't warn KSA not to do it, or else he is complicit. The third option is that he did warn KSA and they ignored it. That is HIGHLY unlikely.

Er...consider a tiny, very remote possibility that the chatter about Saudi government doing things to one of their own in a third country was simply not important enough to make it to presidential briefing. Besides, what makes you think KSA would listen to what Trump says?

Khossagghi was recently living in VA and was very very VERY likely a CIA asset. So yes, the POTUS should care what happens to our intelligence sources. He just sent a signal to all our deep-cover sources that he doesn't care about them.

This weakens American national security. Why is he weak on protecting the homeland?

If Khashoggi really was a CIA asset and the Saudis knew, I don't know what it is that you expect them to do with him, send him flowers? I mean any country would look very unkindly on their citizen becoming an asset to foreign intelligence. In fact, a charge of treason on that is not unwarranted. And maybe the KSA wanted to send a signal to their people - hey, do not become CIA assets!

What country are you rooting for? Serious question.

If DJT knew one of our assets was in grave danger and did nothing, he is complicit and is putting American security as risk. Full stop.

DP. I’m not rooting for a country, but for general precepts of rationality in international relations. This has nothing to do with Trump. Then again, Benghazi had nothing to do with Clinton so I can’t blame the left for trying.