How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to Harvard met many students with high test scores and high school GPAs. Many of them added absolutely nothing to the overall educational and social experience of the incoming class. I love that Harvard is looking at the "whole student" when making admissions decisions.

There ya go! This is exactly why Harvard should win this lawsuit. It's their job to predict which students, based on their entire record and accomplishments, will contribute the most to to the college's overall educational mission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to Harvard met many students with high test scores and high school GPAs. Many of them added absolutely nothing to the overall educational and social experience of the incoming class. I love that Harvard is looking at the "whole student" when making admissions decisions.

There ya go! This is exactly why Harvard should win this lawsuit. It's their job to predict which students, based on their entire record and accomplishments, will contribute the most to to the college's overall educational mission.

So then why did they halt their own study, and why did admissions give them a lower ranking on "personality" without ever having met them? Read the NYT article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poor Harvard. Facing so much push for "inclusiveness" (which, to be fair, is a legitimate goal in shaping an incoming freshman class) they put a thumb on the scale to advantage black and Hispanic applicants. This comes at a cost to white and Asian applicants. The whites take it on the chin and the Asians file a lawsuit.

Asian applicants also have higher test scores than white applicants. The disparity isn't as high as Asians vs black/Hispanic students but it's still significant. The emphasis on "soft" skills also benefits white applicants.

Harvard doesn't go just by test scores. I know some people think they should, but they don't have to legally.
As far as "soft" skills benefitting white applicants are you saying soft skills shouldn't count?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is a very liberal school, that starting with 2017's class was majority-minority. But the group filing this lawsuit thinks Asians' 22% share of the class shows "discrimination." Privates can do that; they can shape their classes to get a mix of people they think form the best rounded class for their educational purposes.

So a private business has a right to discriminate. They can deny service to black people, gay people, etc..Well, in Trump's America, they certainly can it appears.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poor Harvard. Facing so much push for "inclusiveness" (which, to be fair, is a legitimate goal in shaping an incoming freshman class) they put a thumb on the scale to advantage black and Hispanic applicants. This comes at a cost to white and Asian applicants. The whites take it on the chin and the Asians file a lawsuit.

Asian applicants also have higher test scores than white applicants. The disparity isn't as high as Asians vs black/Hispanic students but it's still significant. The emphasis on "soft" skills also benefits white applicants.

Harvard doesn't go just by test scores. I know some people think they should, but they don't have to legally.
As far as "soft" skills benefitting white applicants are you saying soft skills shouldn't count?

There is stereotyping going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollment-applicants.html

Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities,
Alumni interviewers give Asian-Americans personal ratings comparable to those of whites. But the admissions office gives them the worst scores of any racial group, often without even meeting them,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poor Harvard. Facing so much push for "inclusiveness" (which, to be fair, is a legitimate goal in shaping an incoming freshman class) they put a thumb on the scale to advantage black and Hispanic applicants. This comes at a cost to white and Asian applicants. The whites take it on the chin and the Asians file a lawsuit.

Asian applicants also have higher test scores than white applicants. The disparity isn't as high as Asians vs black/Hispanic students but it's still significant. The emphasis on "soft" skills also benefits white applicants.

Harvard doesn't go just by test scores. I know some people think they should, but they don't have to legally.
As far as "soft" skills benefitting white applicants are you saying soft skills shouldn't count?

There is stereotyping going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollment-applicants.html

Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities,
Alumni interviewers give Asian-Americans personal ratings comparable to those of whites. But the admissions office gives them the worst scores of any racial group, often without even meeting them,

well the admissions officers often don't agree with the alumni interviewers. I know that as a fact, personally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poor Harvard. Facing so much push for "inclusiveness" (which, to be fair, is a legitimate goal in shaping an incoming freshman class) they put a thumb on the scale to advantage black and Hispanic applicants. This comes at a cost to white and Asian applicants. The whites take it on the chin and the Asians file a lawsuit.

Asian applicants also have higher test scores than white applicants. The disparity isn't as high as Asians vs black/Hispanic students but it's still significant. The emphasis on "soft" skills also benefits white applicants.

Harvard doesn't go just by test scores. I know some people think they should, but they don't have to legally.
As far as "soft" skills benefitting white applicants are you saying soft skills shouldn't count?

No, soft skills are extremely important. I'm criticizing pp for grouping white applicants in the same category as Asian applicants when it comes to discrimination in college admissions. White applicants benefit from the same policies that black/Hispanic applicants do. I also think that even taking account non-academic factors, colleges are keeping the number of Asian students artificially low.

[Anonymous]

Just like William and Mary points to “holistic” admissions to justify its blatant discrimination against women applicants.

[Anonymous]

When I read that Harvard rated Asians lower on personality, it sounds like they found them robotic devoid of unique traits, like students who have been trained to study and regurgitate on tests. Harvard wants unicorns, not robots.

[Anonymous]

It is blatant discrimination and racism to say that Asians have robotic personalities.

If you think East Asians have somewhat immobile facial features, that DOES NOT mean they are unfeeling.
Just as being darker-skinned DOES NOT mean that someon eis dirty.

You see where that leads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I read that Harvard rated Asians lower on personality, it sounds like they found them robotic devoid of unique traits, like students who have been trained to study and regurgitate on tests. Harvard wants unicorns, not robots.

Have you considered the possibility that actually, even though Asians all “look the same” they are unique, real people, and maybe it’s you and the Harvard admissions committee who are racist for lumping them all together as “robots”?

No, no of course you haven’t.

[Anonymous]

The two young people that got into Harvard are white, both gay, both very self driven, over came obstacles in their lives, unique personalities, very creative but not brilliant though they got very good grades and SAT's, but not at the top of their classes. They are unicorns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The two young people that got into Harvard are white, both gay, both very self driven, over came obstacles in their lives, unique personalities, very creative but not brilliant though they got very good grades and SAT's, but not at the top of their classes. They are unicorns.

these are two people I know got into Harvard, and I know other people who didn't get in also white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I read that Harvard rated Asians lower on personality, it sounds like they found them robotic devoid of unique traits, like students who have been trained to study and regurgitate on tests. Harvard wants unicorns, not robots.

Harvard has bent over backwards to increase the number of minority students, so much so that now the the last two classes have been majority-minority. I find it churlish beyond belief to sue them because this group believes it should have more than a 22% share of the class. This does reflect on their judgment and single-minded obsession with getting onto the most prestigious college.

BTW, any data on the percent of Asians at Princeton and Yale? I'm going to assume it's maybe higher at Stanford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When I read that Harvard rated Asians lower on personality, it sounds like they found them robotic devoid of unique traits, like students who have been trained to study and regurgitate on tests. Harvard wants unicorns, not robots.

Harvard has bent over backwards to increase the number of minority students, so much so that now the the last two classes have been majority-minority. I find it churlish beyond belief to sue them because this group believes it should have more than a 22% share of the class. This does reflect on their judgment and single-minded obsession with getting onto the most prestigious college.

BTW, any data on the percent of Asians at Princeton and Yale? I'm going to assume it's maybe higher at Stanford.

Again, very insensitive to lump all minorities into one pot and saying: "look, we've got so many non-whites!". That's the perspective of a racist white person.

And again, this is a conversation about qualified minority applicants being rejected in favor of LESS qualified applicants, who also happen to be white. This stinks to high heaven whichever way you slice it.