School lockdown... every man for themselves plan

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.

Bullshit. Resource officers are law enforcement officers and they are supposed to protect children.

Yes, but how are they supposed to protect children, and from what? Please be more specific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School resource officers provide services, think about school fights, illegal activities, etc. In any other aspect of our society we would send someone like a resource officer or public safety aid to handle a dispute between two individuals, we would not send them to deescalate an active shooter. Just because they are in the school for safety does not mean they are the appropriate official to resolve the situation If you want someone to protect children against shooters, hire more adequate security.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. They are sworn law enforcement officers. They are precisely the right people to act as first responders to stop (or at least distract) an active shooter. It frigging says so in the SRO guide!

https://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/sites/dcjs.virginia.gov/files/publications/law-enforcement/virginia-school-law-enforcement-partnership-guide.pdf

SROs, as part of their law enforcement role, also bring into the school setting expertise in school and public safety. They assist school administrators in developing school crisis, emergency management, and medical emergency response plans. They are likely to serve as a first responder in the event of critical incidents such as serious accidents, fires, explosions, shootings, and other life-threatening events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.

Bullshit. Resource officers are law enforcement officers and they are supposed to protect children.

Yes, but how are they supposed to protect children, and from what? Please be more specific.

Well duh we have an example in Maryland of an SRO killing an active shooter, so the obvious answer is "they protect children from active shooters by killing the shooter".

[Anonymous]

Think about their pay grade and their routine tasks. Do not be surprised if we see other SRO's fail to confront and kill a shooter. They're prepared for fights, they are not prepared to go against an AR15 in a crowded location.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.

Bullshit. Resource officers are law enforcement officers and they are supposed to protect children.

Yes, but how are they supposed to protect children, and from what? Please be more specific.

Well duh we have an example in Maryland of an SRO killing an active shooter, so the obvious answer is "they protect children from active shooters by killing the shooter".

More accurately: we have an example in Maryland of an SRO shooting at an active shooter. We do not yet know whether the SRO killed the active shooter.

Is that what you think SROs are there for? To shoot at people in school who are shooting at people?

[Anonymous]

If we are scared that someone will kill our children with an assault rifle in their classrooms, what will our children be scared about when they have children in school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we are scared that someone will kill our children with an assault rifle in their classrooms, what will our children be scared about when they have children in school?

School be 100% virtual by then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a high school teacher, and that's my plan. I'm a single parent. I'm going to do whatever I can to ensure that I make it home, and I've told my child to expect her teacher to do the same. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. We're villainized constantly regardless of how much we try. I'm sick of every time there's a school shooting that results in a teacher's death, they're lauded as heroes. They're victims. I shouldn't have to choose between making my child an orphan and saving someone else's kid. We don't have metal detectors, armed security, locking doors, or even doors that open into the room that we can barricade. You won't pay me a decent wage for what I do? Fine. At least spend the money to try and give me some sense of security. Instead, we get bullshit about statistics and how it's highly unlikely we'll have a shooting. We're told that metal detectors aren't in the budget. I've told my students that our plan is to toss a chair through the window and make a run for it.

I have 3 kids, PP, and I don’t expect your kids to become orphans so you can save mine. Your primary obligation is to them, just as my primary obligation is to my children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.

You shouldn’t expect anyone of any pay grade to protect you or your kid (except LEO). Doesn’t matter if it’s a teacher making 50k or a Ceo making $10mil. As for school resource officers - uh you realize they are sworn police officers from your local department or sheriffs office right? Despite the lame title, they aren’t like gym teachers with guns. So yeah I do expect them to make some efforts unlike the lame ass in Parklsbd who watched from the window, wouldn’t go in and conveniently retired with a pension.

[Anonymous]

I think this is a WAY more common thought than most want to admit. I'm a nurse. A few years ago we went into lockdown as we had an active shooter in the hospital (who did end up shooting staff). Our primary responsibility is to keep our patients safe. I had a 1 year old and husband at home, and I was absolutely thinking about protecting myself. One of my co-workers told me "if he gets to our floor, go in the safe room. You have a family at home, I don't. I'll protect you.".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I told my kids to run if they can, not to shelter in place. At their public school they were told that if they are on the playground and there is a shooting, to run and hide in a classroom. I told them to run and jump the fence and keep running to a friend's house that is nearby. I would want my kids in the single parent teacher's classroom. Break windows and run away, not be sitting ducks.

Yep. We have done this training at work lately - isn’t it run, hide, fight? IDK why kids are told to hide? I know if you’re deep in the interior of a building not on ground level, no choice but hiding bc it’s unsafe to walk the halls. But for kids on the playground - wth?! Keep running. Run into a neighborhood if it’s a neighborhood school - even if it’s a main road, run to the side of the road and to whatever commercial businesses are there. A bunch of Parkland kids who were nearing the doors for the “fire drill” did this instead of turning back and running to classrooms. It may have saved them. Some jumped a fence, waded thru some creek w alligators and that’s STILL safer than an AR and got to a middle school on the other side; some jumped a fence and ran to a local strip mall and started calling for help/parents from there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Think about their pay grade and their routine tasks. Do not be surprised if we see other SRO's fail to confront and kill a shooter. They're prepared for fights, they are not prepared to go against an AR15 in a crowded location.

WTH? Are you not getting that they are COPS - real sworn LEOs, not “mall cops”? They get paid the same to patrol a school or the streets. So their pay grade is ok on the streets but not in a school?

[Anonymous]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see all these posts supporting teachers and holding them up as brave and committed to their students. So often all I see on here are how teachers are dumb, lazy, and overpaid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is a teacher. She would stand in front her her kids to protect them. I was a teacher for years. I would die trying to keep my kids safe. All teachers I know feel the same.

I never say this, but OP, you are a horrible, horrible person. I would see a psychiatrist. You are a sociopath.

You sound like Trump.

I'm a liberal, anti-gun, Dem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm pleasantly surprised to see all these posts supporting teachers and holding them up as brave and committed to their students. So often all I see on here are how teachers are dumb, lazy, and overpaid.

I was raised by 2 educators and I married into a family with lots of teachers (including my MIL). They are all amazing people and I have nothing but respect for them.