Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Tell us more!!! What are these magical charters that "many more" are fleeing towards? Latin? How many non-sibling spots are being filled in 5th? And do you think you are the only MS feeders getting in? (Actually, based on the level of self interest in your post, you probably do). And...what else? Basis? Basis works all the way through their wait lists; guild is off the lily.

You remind me of a preteen who is unhappy with their limited options and, instead of addressing them as an adult, you just lash out at everyone else with fanciful tales and juvenile anger. You don't live IB for SH and that sucks because you don't have a viable MS feeder; we get it. Now take your piss poor attitude and veiled jealousy and go away to your magical MS charter or "go private", because in addition to in demand private schools having unlimited space for your precious snowflake, I am quite sure you have another $50k a year in the budget for the next 7 years.

[Anonymous]

PP, you clearly need anger management therapy in a big way.

Bitterness and fury on the part of any stakeholder simply shouldn't be the response when neighbors seek true ownership of a neighborhood school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools).

I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents defend the mess tooth and nail. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.

The fact that YOU don't have feeder rights to SH doesn't a "mess"make. Brent isn't the only IB school with high SES, you obnoxious self centered "me-monster". And as the numbers actually show, LT and other SH feeders are improving (and in some cases outpacing Brent). While the number of OOB lottery spots matching in the lottery is falling to near zero. So the fact that you want to believe nothing is changing doesn't mean nothing is changing.

As others have said, and contrary to your belief, you will in fact not be missed.

I won't be missed because I'm not going anywhere. I've lived across the street from SH for the past 15 years. As others have said, name calling gets us nowhere in this game. As the numbers actually show, the SH student body has remained overwhelming OOB since I arrived on the Hill, in the 90s. I want bona fide neighborhood schools in my neighborhood, and work hard to get local politicians who don't knock themselves out to bring them forth voted out. I'm one of the neighbors standing out in front of SH on election days, with a campaign placard. Contrary to your belief, I'm not in fact the enemy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, you clearly need anger management therapy in a big way.

Bitterness and fury on the part of any stakeholder simply shouldn't be the response when neighbors seek true ownership of a neighborhood school.

Me thinks you are confused...or delusional. Not angry, just amused at the bitterness of those of you on the outside looking in. And are you really not able to see the bitterness and fury in the posters that can't decide if they are jealous of SH or not? Your sense of entitlement is, however, consistent with the rest of your ilk on DCUM. Apparently your self centered nature doesn't allow you to see that people with whom you disagree (read: current IB SH families) are also stakeholders. Arguably more important stakeholders, because we have IB rights, and you do not. Except you can't seem to understand a world where your participation or attendance doesn't magically improve others world views.

In closing, you people keep coming back here to say "we are leaving" or "you can't get us because", and then you get all offended when we reply, "good riddance." Take your temper tantrum elsewhere. Some of us are busy improving our IB feeders to SH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools).

I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents defend the mess tooth and nail. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.

The fact that YOU don't have feeder rights to SH doesn't a "mess"make. Brent isn't the only IB school with high SES, you obnoxious self centered "me-monster". And as the numbers actually show, LT and other SH feeders are improving (and in some cases outpacing Brent). While the number of OOB lottery spots matching in the lottery is falling to near zero. So the fact that you want to believe nothing is changing doesn't mean nothing is changing.

As others have said, and contrary to your belief, you will in fact not be missed.

I won't be missed because I'm not going anywhere. I've lived across the street from SH for the past 15 years. As others have said, name calling gets us nowhere in this game. As the numbers actually show, the SH student body has remained overwhelming OOB since I arrived on the Hill, in the 90s. I want bona fide neighborhood schools in my neighborhood, and work hard to get local politicians who don't knock themselves out to bring them forth voted out. I'm one of the neighbors standing out in front of SH on election days, with a campaign placard. Contrary to your belief, I'm not in fact the enemy.

What #s, my dear? DCPS stopped publishing IB/OOB. And as a school improves what matters is not IB/OOB (notwithstanding your health sense of import for you and your bored housewife neighbors who spend time holding signs) but the population that rises from the improving feeders. Maintaining the culture of rising feeders with improving scores (see, LT) is how a MS improves, which in turn keeps IB kids at feeders and into MS. So I respectfully call BS on your intuited wisdom of the population of SH. And if you are SOOOOO knowledgeable then you would have an understanding of the IB lottery results for the feeders...#s which are published. And which indicate significant change at the feeders.

Helpful suggestion: spend less time outdoors holding signs and more time reviewing publicly (and real) available data that runs counter to your unfounded anecdotal beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What #s, my dear? DCPS stopped publishing IB/OOB. And as a school improves what matters is not IB/OOB (notwithstanding your health sense of import for you and your bored housewife neighbors who spend time holding signs) but the population that rises from the improving feeders. Maintaining the culture of rising feeders with improving scores (see, LT) is how a MS improves, which in turn keeps IB kids at feeders and into MS. So I respectfully call BS on your intuited wisdom of the population of SH. And if you are SOOOOO knowledgeable then you would have an understanding of the IB lottery results for the feeders...#s which are published. And which indicate significant change at the feeders.

Helpful suggestion: spend less time outdoors holding signs and more time reviewing publicly (and real) available data that runs counter to your unfounded anecdotal beliefs.

NP -- FYI the IB/OOB numbers are back on the DCPS school profile pages.

[Anonymous]

Countless high SES in-boundary parents of little kids look into SH and Eastern from Ludlow, or SWS, or Logan, or some charter, then bail during the elementary years.

They don't see an appealing path forward on the public schools front, and know that they won't be able to afford DC privates later on, so they go sooner rather than later.

We've lost the terrific neighbors on both sides of us for this reason in the last two years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What #s, my dear? DCPS stopped publishing IB/OOB. And as a school improves what matters is not IB/OOB (notwithstanding your health sense of import for you and your bored housewife neighbors who spend time holding signs) but the population that rises from the improving feeders. Maintaining the culture of rising feeders with improving scores (see, LT) is how a MS improves, which in turn keeps IB kids at feeders and into MS. So I respectfully call BS on your intuited wisdom of the population of SH. And if you are SOOOOO knowledgeable then you would have an understanding of the IB lottery results for the feeders...#s which are published. And which indicate significant change at the feeders.

Helpful suggestion: spend less time outdoors holding signs and more time reviewing publicly (and real) available data that runs counter to your unfounded anecdotal beliefs.

NP -- FYI the IB/OOB numbers are back on the DCPS school profile pages.

Yes, they are back. SH is still 3/4 OOB.

[Anonymous]

NP - 25% in-boundary (as of last school year), 0% Asian.

This in-boundary Asian immigrant dad says no way, no how, no brainer on enrolling two years from now. Yea, right, I won't be missed in the event that SH could have been at least .25% Asian.

[Anonymous]

Folks who buy houses and disregard publicly available school data -- and are then angry or shocked by their lack of 'options' as middle school approaches get no sympathy from me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What #s, my dear? DCPS stopped publishing IB/OOB. And as a school improves what matters is not IB/OOB (notwithstanding your health sense of import for you and your bored housewife neighbors who spend time holding signs) but the population that rises from the improving feeders. Maintaining the culture of rising feeders with improving scores (see, LT) is how a MS improves, which in turn keeps IB kids at feeders and into MS. So I respectfully call BS on your intuited wisdom of the population of SH. And if you are SOOOOO knowledgeable then you would have an understanding of the IB lottery results for the feeders...#s which are published. And which indicate significant change at the feeders.

Helpful suggestion: spend less time outdoors holding signs and more time reviewing publicly (and real) available data that runs counter to your unfounded anecdotal beliefs.

NP -- FYI the IB/OOB numbers are back on the DCPS school profile pages.

Yes, they are back. SH is still 3/4 OOB.

Per PPP, what ratio of rising from feeders to new students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What #s, my dear? DCPS stopped publishing IB/OOB. And as a school improves what matters is not IB/OOB (notwithstanding your health sense of import for you and your bored housewife neighbors who spend time holding signs) but the population that rises from the improving feeders. Maintaining the culture of rising feeders with improving scores (see, LT) is how a MS improves, which in turn keeps IB kids at feeders and into MS. So I respectfully call BS on your intuited wisdom of the population of SH. And if you are SOOOOO knowledgeable then you would have an understanding of the IB lottery results for the feeders...#s which are published. And which indicate significant change at the feeders.

Helpful suggestion: spend less time outdoors holding signs and more time reviewing publicly (and real) available data that runs counter to your unfounded anecdotal beliefs.

NP -- FYI the IB/OOB numbers are back on the DCPS school profile pages.

Yes, they are back. SH is still 3/4 OOB.

Per PPP, what ratio of rising from feeders to new students?

You'd need to talk to the MS princpal to get that data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks who buy houses and disregard publicly available school data -- and are then angry or shocked by their lack of 'options' as middle school approaches get no sympathy from me.

If only things were that simple.

When we bought in-boundary for the Cluster a decade ago, the data on SH seemed promising for this expectant mother.

But then, whoops...

SWS and Logan suddenly got their own buildings and left.
Maury and Brent attracted more high SES families than Watkins.
Watkins' planned renovation took many years longer than expected.
A bunch of charters sprang up (mainly language immersion programs, but also BASIS and ITS) that creamed off a big chunk of the supposedly Watkins and SH bound families.
SH added Ludlow and JO Wilson as feeders. Neither has attracted many high SES families to the upper grades.

We're not asking for sympathy, but you might want to think twice before judging us for changing our minds about the Cluster.

Signed
Parent somewhat surprised and very disappointed that SH is still only around one quarter IB a decade on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Tell us more!!! What are these magical charters that "many more" are fleeing towards? Latin? How many non-sibling spots are being filled in 5th? And do you think you are the only MS feeders getting in? (Actually, based on the level of self interest in your post, you probably do). And...what else? Basis? Basis works all the way through their wait lists; guild is off the lily.

You remind me of a preteen who is unhappy with their limited options and, instead of addressing them as an adult, you just lash out at everyone else with fanciful tales and juvenile anger. You don't live IB for SH and that sucks because you don't have a viable MS feeder; we get it. Now take your piss poor attitude and veiled jealousy and go away to your magical MS charter or "go private", because in addition to in demand private schools having unlimited space for your precious snowflake, I am quite sure you have another $50k a year in the budget for the next 7 years.

Nice try. I actually do live IB for SH. My children don’t attend our IB elementary school and instead we schlep them across the city to a charter with a MS feed because our elementary school is a dead end into SH which is a crap middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks who buy houses and disregard publicly available school data -- and are then angry or shocked by their lack of 'options' as middle school approaches get no sympathy from me.

If only things were that simple.

When we bought in-boundary for the Cluster a decade ago, the data on SH seemed promising for this expectant mother.

But then, whoops...

SWS and Logan suddenly got their own buildings and left.
Maury and Brent attracted more high SES families than Watkins.
Watkins' planned renovation took many years longer than expected.
A bunch of charters sprang up (mainly language immersion programs, but also BASIS and ITS) that creamed off a big chunk of the supposedly Watkins and SH bound families.
SH added Ludlow and JO Wilson as feeders. Neither has attracted many high SES families to the upper grades.

We're not asking for sympathy, but you might want to think twice before judging us for changing our minds about the Cluster.

Signed
Parent somewhat surprised and very disappointed that SH is still only around one quarter IB a decade on.

same old shifting sands in dcps problem