Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

Touche, 9:29.

good one ditto head. way to ride the swarm criticism. you're a real prize

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Oh miss me with the "flipping" talk. Nobody has a stranglehold on Watkins. If IB parents want to enroll THEY CAN.

Yes THEY CAN, and they can also expect their children to be roughed up by little toughs as early as 2nd grade, and to be bored silly by 3rd grade if they're academically advanced.

Signed,
IB Parent who Bailed on Watkins

Really? So you vacated an IB spot, that then would necessarily be filled by OOB lottery, and you complain about OOB kids taking your IB spot? I know you are emotionally invested in this topic, but re you able to see how ridiculous your post is?

[Anonymous]

What's ridiculous is a "neighborhood elementary school" and "neighborhood middle school" that can't attract and retain the great majority of neighborhood families with kids ages 6-15 nearly 40 years after they were set up as neighborhood schools.

The several Cluster schools were established to offer an attractive alternative to other, lesser public schools on Capitol Hill. But two of them still don't offer a high quality education, so they can't compete with a number of charters.

Blaming parents for failing buy a product they have good reason to consider substandard gets the neighborhood nowhere. Tailor the product to the local consumer and lo and behold, find a strong market for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

?? what is stopping you from enrolling at Watkins? The stats for high SES kids at Watkins are excellent. And you're blind not to see that race is a huge reason why your white neighbors won't enroll, even if it's different for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

?? what is stopping you from enrolling at Watkins? The stats for high SES kids at Watkins are excellent. And you're blind not to see that race is a huge reason why your white neighbors won't enroll, even if it's different for you.

That’s a ridiculous assertion, since many of her “white neighbors” are enrolling in charter schools that are very diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

I’m not the PP, but my issue is that the administration acts like OOB parents are the ONLY stakeholders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's ridiculous is a "neighborhood elementary school" and "neighborhood middle school" that can't attract and retain the great majority of neighborhood families with kids ages 6-15 nearly 40 years after they were set up as neighborhood schools.

The several Cluster schools were established to offer an attractive alternative to other, lesser public schools on Capitol Hill. But two of them still don't offer a high quality education, so they can't compete with a number of charters.

Blaming parents for failing buy a product they have good reason to consider substandard gets the neighborhood nowhere. Tailor the product to the local consumer and lo and behold, find a strong market for it.

One more time. Isn't the IB enrollment at Watkins increasing anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's ridiculous is a "neighborhood elementary school" and "neighborhood middle school" that can't attract and retain the great majority of neighborhood families with kids ages 6-15 nearly 40 years after they were set up as neighborhood schools.

The several Cluster schools were established to offer an attractive alternative to other, lesser public schools on Capitol Hill. But two of them still don't offer a high quality education, so they can't compete with a number of charters.

Blaming parents for failing buy a product they have good reason to consider substandard gets the neighborhood nowhere. Tailor the product to the local consumer and lo and behold, find a strong market for it.

One more time. Isn't the IB enrollment at Watkins increasing anyway?

No. It hovers between 25 and 30%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's ridiculous is a "neighborhood elementary school" and "neighborhood middle school" that can't attract and retain the great majority of neighborhood families with kids ages 6-15 nearly 40 years after they were set up as neighborhood schools.

The several Cluster schools were established to offer an attractive alternative to other, lesser public schools on Capitol Hill. But two of them still don't offer a high quality education, so they can't compete with a number of charters.

Blaming parents for failing buy a product they have good reason to consider substandard gets the neighborhood nowhere. Tailor the product to the local consumer and lo and behold, find a strong market for it.

One more time. Isn't the IB enrollment at Watkins increasing anyway?

No. It hovers between 25 and 30%.

Oh. Upthread someone said It's IB rate was %30 last year, up from %21 two years ago.

Different numbers, different stories. Before people get hung up on their narratives, I think agreement on the numbers is necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

?? what is stopping you from enrolling at Watkins? The stats for high SES kids at Watkins are excellent. And you're blind not to see that race is a huge reason why your white neighbors won't enroll, even if it's different for you.

What's stopping me is the safety issue, dummy. It's not race, it's safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's ridiculous is a "neighborhood elementary school" and "neighborhood middle school" that can't attract and retain the great majority of neighborhood families with kids ages 6-15 nearly 40 years after they were set up as neighborhood schools.

The several Cluster schools were established to offer an attractive alternative to other, lesser public schools on Capitol Hill. But two of them still don't offer a high quality education, so they can't compete with a number of charters.

Blaming parents for failing buy a product they have good reason to consider substandard gets the neighborhood nowhere. Tailor the product to the local consumer and lo and behold, find a strong market for it.

One more time. Isn't the IB enrollment at Watkins increasing anyway?

No. It hovers between 25 and 30%.

Oh. Upthread someone said It's IB rate was %30 last year, up from %21 two years ago.

Different numbers, different stories. Before people get hung up on their narratives, I think agreement on the numbers is necessary.

"Hovers" is BS. it's trending up whether you like it or not. That 30% was also at EH in swing space fwiw. It hasn't been anywhere near 30% in recent years.

[Anonymous]

25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

?? what is stopping you from enrolling at Watkins? The stats for high SES kids at Watkins are excellent. And you're blind not to see that race is a huge reason why your white neighbors won't enroll, even if it's different for you.

What's stopping me is the safety issue, dummy. It's not race, it's safety.

You didn't mention anything about safety in your post. You mentioned that you went to Boston Latin and that you want the school to mirror the neighborhood, and that the school "caters" to poor kids that are not like your kids. Also handwaving about having the right to attend school where you live (despite the fact that YOU chose to buy your house there ... )

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

How many of these families who left for charters due to last year’s swing space have now come home to roost at SH in 6th? My guess is that they left because they were always going to leave.