Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?

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Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

How many of these families who left for charters due to last year’s swing space have now come home to roost at SH in 6th? My guess is that they left because they were always going to leave.

I can't see why you would leave for a charter just because of a swing space ... any family that did that was likely extremely weakly connected to the school community and I doubt they would go on to SH. We're about to move into the swing space for Maury and I can't fathom leaving the teachers, admins, and friends we have there just because of the temporary relocation!

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In summary it seems like looking at the last 5 years, the IB % is increasing.

Ergo, my earlier point stands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

I am pretty sure there are many elementaries in DC with packed preschools, and very limited IB buy in at older grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

I am pretty sure there are many elementaries in DC with packed preschools, and very limited IB buy in at older grades.

Show me another school that waitlists 30-40 IB families for pk3 and has a 30% IB rate for 1-5. You’re not going to find one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

I am pretty sure there are many elementaries in DC with packed preschools, and very limited IB buy in at older grades.

Show me another school that waitlists 30-40 IB families for pk3 and has a 30% IB rate for 1-5. You’re not going to find one.

the 30% IB rate is bottom heavy and reflects the younger demographic rising through Peabody into lower grades at Watkins. It's the upper grades that skew less IB. Smaller neighborhood demographic pool of 8-10 than 5-7year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

I am pretty sure there are many elementaries in DC with packed preschools, and very limited IB buy in at older grades.

Show me another school that waitlists 30-40 IB families for pk3 and has a 30% IB rate for 1-5. You’re not going to find one.

the 30% IB rate is bottom heavy and reflects the younger demographic rising through Peabody into lower grades at Watkins. It's the upper grades that skew less IB. Smaller neighborhood demographic pool of 8-10 than 5-7year olds.

not that different from Brent where the biggest IB population boom is 3rd grade and lower (probably 2 years ahead of Watkins in that regard). The pool of students is smaller for upper ES without even factoring charter enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

?? what is stopping you from enrolling at Watkins? The stats for high SES kids at Watkins are excellent. And you're blind not to see that race is a huge reason why your white neighbors won't enroll, even if it's different for you.

What's stopping me is the safety issue, dummy. It's not race, it's safety.

You didn't mention anything about safety in your post. You mentioned that you went to Boston Latin and that you want the school to mirror the neighborhood, and that the school "caters" to poor kids that are not like your kids. Also handwaving about having the right to attend school where you live (despite the fact that YOU chose to buy your house there ... )

You must be confusing PPs.

I'm not either poster you seem to be answering, but please take the hint. Calling longtime IB parents who have real concerns about Watkins names, and seeking to invalidate their opinions, just isn't a great recruiting tool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good question.

Apparently, a decade is long enough for any particular Hill DCPS ES to flip IF it's not Watkins.

Watkins is effectively owned by parents living in Wards 5, 7 and 8, many of them city employees. Lots of these parents attended Watkins, see it as their by-right school, and won't let go of their grasp. Looks like it will take a generation for this to change.

Just come out and say it -- you don't like that Watkins' black parents behave like real stakeholders in their children's school and demand a real voice advocating for the school and their children even if the school sits geographically in a largely white community that wants their school to look like their community. That's the real issue to you.

Replace South Boston in the 70s and you start to get the idea.

No you just come out and say it, I'm a myopic a race baiter and proud of it.

I'm AA and want a neighborhood elementary school in my neighborhood, not a school dominated by families living outside my neighborhood, with a principal catering to meet their children's needs, not mine. I want the student body at my neighborhood school mirror that of my diverse but mostly high SES and white community, yes, I do. The "real issue" to me is having a neighborhood school my children can walk to in the community where I choose to own real estate and live. Oh, and did I mention that I graduated from Boston Latin?

My children attend a charter. OK, granted, PP above, Watkins may become mostly in-boundary and Brent-like in five or six years, far too late for my own children.

Go away race-baiting troll and while you're at it, grow up and enter the 21st century mentally.

?? what is stopping you from enrolling at Watkins? The stats for high SES kids at Watkins are excellent. And you're blind not to see that race is a huge reason why your white neighbors won't enroll, even if it's different for you.

What's stopping me is the safety issue, dummy. It's not race, it's safety.

You didn't mention anything about safety in your post. You mentioned that you went to Boston Latin and that you want the school to mirror the neighborhood, and that the school "caters" to poor kids that are not like your kids. Also handwaving about having the right to attend school where you live (despite the fact that YOU chose to buy your house there ... )

You must be confusing PPs.

I'm not either poster you seem to be answering, but please take the hint. Calling longtime IB parents who have real concerns about Watkins names, and seeking to invalidate their opinions, just isn't a great recruiting tool.

anyone want to claim calling someone "dummy" in their post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

I am pretty sure there are many elementaries in DC with packed preschools, and very limited IB buy in at older grades.

Show me another school that waitlists 30-40 IB families for pk3 and has a 30% IB rate for 1-5. You’re not going to find one.

the 30% IB rate is bottom heavy and reflects the younger demographic rising through Peabody into lower grades at Watkins. It's the upper grades that skew less IB. Smaller neighborhood demographic pool of 8-10 than 5-7year olds.

not that different from Brent where the biggest IB population boom is 3rd grade and lower (probably 2 years ahead of Watkins in that regard). The pool of students is smaller for upper ES without even factoring charter enrollment.

Two years behind Brent .... right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25-30% was the rate when Montessori was housed in Watkins. It’s been 6-7 years now since theyI think they left. It wasn’t close after until the recent uptick. I think the “hovers” poster is eyeballing white students, a good third of whom are OOB. I doubt she is counting my actual IB child who is AA.

+1 And yes, it was 2010/11 when CHM last co-located at Watkins. The fact that it increased to 30% for 16/17 while in less than optimal swing space is encouraging. Some 5th grade families went charter last year instead of spending their final year in transitional space.

For the past 5 years, Peabody has waitlisted IB families for pk3 and pk4. In the last few years, dozens and dozens were waitlisted. And that’s just the families who actually applied. Peabody is packed to the gills with IB children. There is no excuse for Watkins to be 30% IB at this point.

I am pretty sure there are many elementaries in DC with packed preschools, and very limited IB buy in at older grades.

Show me another school that waitlists 30-40 IB families for pk3 and has a 30% IB rate for 1-5. You’re not going to find one.

the 30% IB rate is bottom heavy and reflects the younger demographic rising through Peabody into lower grades at Watkins. It's the upper grades that skew less IB. Smaller neighborhood demographic pool of 8-10 than 5-7year olds.

not that different from Brent where the biggest IB population boom is 3rd grade and lower (probably 2 years ahead of Watkins in that regard). The pool of students is smaller for upper ES without even factoring charter enrollment.

Two years behind Brent .... right.

look at Brent's 4th grade scores last year. Nothing to boast about

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I'm a new poster and thought the previous posters comment was interesting. I've looked at Brent''s scores and haven't been all that impressed. How does one explain that given the high SES inbound pool?

[Anonymous]

Not much emphasis on test scores, or prep, at Brent. Much emphasis on enrichment - art, music, Spanish, science (there's a designated science teacher), field trips, PE. Weak principal of six years gone, new one much stronger. Entire K is in-boundary this year for the first time, so the school must be doing something right. Test scores for white kids at Watkins higher, but neighborhood buy-in weak. You pick your poison with DCPS schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not much emphasis on test scores, or prep, at Brent. Much emphasis on enrichment - art, music, Spanish, science (there's a designated science teacher), field trips, PE. Weak principal of six years gone, new one much stronger. Entire K is in-boundary this year for the first time, so the school must be doing something right. Test scores for white kids at Watkins higher, but neighborhood buy-in weak. You pick your poison with DCPS schools.

Interesting. Thanks for the perspective. When I visited it it looked completely white so maybe a number of white oob students are enrolled. I just always wondered how I rarely see anyone accuse the WOTP schools of focusing on test prep over enrichment activities while they seem to have achieved both high scores and quality well rounded programs.

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NP. The snarky post above is darn unfair. WotP DCPS schools aren't in gentrifying neighborhoods. Those schools have been primarily serving their overwhelmingly high SES and white communities for several decades.

It's unreasonable compare the performance of up and coming DCPS schools like Ross, Maury and Brent (which have supported majority in-boundary student bodies for only 2-5 years) with much better established schools like Key, Mann, Janney, Murch and Lafayette.

It takes years and years for a DCPS teaching staff to mature and gel, strong school programs and systems to be developed, funds to be secured for renovations, good facilities and leadership to be established etc. Demographics are only around half the story.

Even if SH's demographics were to mirror Deal's tomorrow, the former wouldn't be anywhere near as high-performing as the latter.