Can anyone tell me the story of Stuart-Hobson?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - I'm curious - if Brent, Maury, and SWS don't feed into SH which school(s) do they feed into? And if by chance they all feed into the same school, then why the concern about them having to feed into SH in order to make it better. Surely, if they all fed into the same MS then that MS would improve quite quickly given all the high SES families at those three schools?

Here are the DCPS feeder patterns https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY17-18%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns.pdf

Maury and SWS feed to Eliot Hine

Brent feeds to Jefferson

Got it! Thanks that's helpful. Is Eliot Hine not an option folks are willing to consider? Particular if a large cohort of families transitions together?

No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here - I'm curious - if Brent, Maury, and SWS don't feed into SH which school(s) do they feed into? And if by chance they all feed into the same school, then why the concern about them having to feed into SH in order to make it better. Surely, if they all fed into the same MS then that MS would improve quite quickly given all the high SES families at those three schools?

Here are the DCPS feeder patterns https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY17-18%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns.pdf

Maury and SWS feed to Eliot Hine

Brent feeds to Jefferson

Got it! Thanks that's helpful. Is Eliot Hine not an option folks are willing to consider? Particular if a large cohort of families transitions together?

No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.

The PARCC scores worry folks --

2017 % Proficient or Advanced

EH
ELA 5%
Math 9%

Those are likely skewed by the fact that 30% of the school population is SN (w/an IEP).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here - I'm curious - if Brent, Maury, and SWS don't feed into SH which school(s) do they feed into? And if by chance they all feed into the same school, then why the concern about them having to feed into SH in order to make it better. Surely, if they all fed into the same MS then that MS would improve quite quickly given all the high SES families at those three schools?

Here are the DCPS feeder patterns https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY17-18%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns.pdf

Maury and SWS feed to Eliot Hine

Brent feeds to Jefferson

Got it! Thanks that's helpful. Is Eliot Hine not an option folks are willing to consider? Particular if a large cohort of families transitions together?

No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.

The PARCC scores worry folks --

2017 % Proficient or Advanced

EH
ELA 5%
Math 9%

Those are likely skewed by the fact that 30% of the school population is SN (w/an IEP).

No - the students in the medically complex classrooms are not taking the PARC. And kids w/ autism aren't necessarily scoring low on the parc just because of their disability. You can't just use % of SN kids as an excuse for poor scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

+1. Didn't Ludlow-Taylor have comparable scores with Brent last year? At the time the feeders were determined (2009/10) both JOW and LT had higher average DCCAS (yes, I know about erase-to-the-top st LT) and are closer proximity-wise to SH. SH has to have Watkins in the feeder for the sheer numbers, I believe plus it is still the core of the Cluster. People also forget that there was a separate effort around making Brent the feeder to Jefferson including possibly resuscitating the academies there with the then promise of the feed on to Wilson for high school.

We sent one child to SH in-bounds, and then on to Walls, upper-MC/high SES, educated family. We are still in touch with a number of fellow SH families.

2017 PARCC Proficient and Advanced

Ludlow-Taylor ELA 61; Math 42
Brent ELA 64; Math 61

On ELA Ludlow Taylor's 5th grade outscored Brent's 5th grade last year 69 to 59 and it's 4th grade outscored 64 to 55

On Math Brent scored higher mostly due to its 3rd grade scores 79 to 39. LT scored higher in 5th grade math 46 to 41, and 4th grade scored higher 50 to 41

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

+1. Didn't Ludlow-Taylor have comparable scores with Brent last year? At the time the feeders were determined (2009/10) both JOW and LT had higher average DCCAS (yes, I know about erase-to-the-top st LT) and are closer proximity-wise to SH. SH has to have Watkins in the feeder for the sheer numbers, I believe plus it is still the core of the Cluster. People also forget that there was a separate effort around making Brent the feeder to Jefferson including possibly resuscitating the academies there with the then promise of the feed on to Wilson for high school.

We sent one child to SH in-bounds, and then on to Walls, upper-MC/high SES, educated family. We are still in touch with a number of fellow SH families.

2017 PARCC Proficient and Advanced

Ludlow-Taylor ELA 61; Math 42
Brent ELA 64; Math 61

On ELA Ludlow Taylor's 5th grade outscored Brent's 5th grade last year 69 to 59 and it's 4th grade outscored 64 to 55

On Math Brent scored higher mostly due to its 3rd grade scores 79 to 39. LT scored higher in 5th grade math 46 to 41, and 4th grade scored higher 50 to 41

and we won't even get into the other disparities between Brent and LT testing grades such as race and HHI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here - I'm curious - if Brent, Maury, and SWS don't feed into SH which school(s) do they feed into? And if by chance they all feed into the same school, then why the concern about them having to feed into SH in order to make it better. Surely, if they all fed into the same MS then that MS would improve quite quickly given all the high SES families at those three schools?

Here are the DCPS feeder patterns https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY17-18%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns.pdf

Maury and SWS feed to Eliot Hine

Brent feeds to Jefferson

Got it! Thanks that's helpful. Is Eliot Hine not an option folks are willing to consider? Particular if a large cohort of families transitions together?

No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.

The PARCC scores worry folks --

2017 % Proficient or Advanced

EH
ELA 5%
Math 9%

Those are likely skewed by the fact that 30% of the school population is SN (w/an IEP).

No - the students in the medically complex classrooms are not taking the PARC. And kids w/ autism aren't necessarily scoring low on the parc just because of their disability. You can't just use % of SN kids as an excuse for poor scores.

On learndc.org it shows that 0% of EH students with special needs were proficient or advanced on PARCC.

Fewer than 25 students at EH took the alternative assessment. I don't have time to do the math to figure out how many students may not have been tested at all, but that is rare. SN kids have to take PARCC or the MSAA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here - I'm curious - if Brent, Maury, and SWS don't feed into SH which school(s) do they feed into? And if by chance they all feed into the same school, then why the concern about them having to feed into SH in order to make it better. Surely, if they all fed into the same MS then that MS would improve quite quickly given all the high SES families at those three schools?

Here are the DCPS feeder patterns https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY17-18%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns.pdf

Maury and SWS feed to Eliot Hine

Brent feeds to Jefferson

SWS technically "feeds" Eliot Hine, but sent about 1/2 of its inaugural graduating 5th graders to Stuart Hobson last year. A large portion of SWS has in bounds access to Stuart Hobson as the students live within the boundaries for the Cluster or Ludlow-Taylor. I'm not sure if any SWS student enrolled at Eliot Hine yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools).

I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents defend the mess tooth and nail. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here - I'm curious - if Brent, Maury, and SWS don't feed into SH which school(s) do they feed into? And if by chance they all feed into the same school, then why the concern about them having to feed into SH in order to make it better. Surely, if they all fed into the same MS then that MS would improve quite quickly given all the high SES families at those three schools?

Here are the DCPS feeder patterns https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/SY17-18%20School%20Feeder%20Patterns.pdf

Maury and SWS feed to Eliot Hine

Brent feeds to Jefferson

Got it! Thanks that's helpful. Is Eliot Hine not an option folks are willing to consider? Particular if a large cohort of families transitions together?

No one wants to be first, essentially. And SWS used to just be early ed, so there weren't 5th grade graduates before now.

The PARCC scores worry folks --

2017 % Proficient or Advanced

EH
ELA 5%
Math 9%

Those are likely skewed by the fact that 30% of the school population is SN (w/an IEP).

No - the students in the medically complex classrooms are not taking the PARC. And kids w/ autism aren't necessarily scoring low on the parc just because of their disability. You can't just use % of SN kids as an excuse for poor scores.

On learndc.org it shows that 0% of EH students with special needs were proficient or advanced on PARCC.

Fewer than 25 students at EH took the alternative assessment. I don't have time to do the math to figure out how many students may not have been tested at all, but that is rare. SN kids have to take PARCC or the MSAA.

Yes, I know it's rare. Are you familiar with the children in the medically complex classrooms at SWS? Maybe not. For some reason they shunt those kids to the basement. They are not taking the PARCC, I assure you.

[Anonymous]

Why are the Cluster parents so opposed to adding more schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are the Cluster parents so opposed to adding more schools?

To add other schools to the feeder, DCPS would need to remove one or more of the others. Stuart-Hobson isn't that big that it could hold more than the number of 6th graders if 80-90% of the feed of the current elementary schools were to matriculate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are the Cluster parents so opposed to adding more schools?

To add other schools to the feeder, DCPS would need to remove one or more of the others. Stuart-Hobson isn't that big that it could hold more than the number of 6th graders if 80-90% of the feed of the current elementary schools were to matriculate.

Got it. That was the missing puzzle piece, now it is much more clear.

[Anonymous]

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No - the students in the medically complex classrooms are not taking the PARC. And kids w/ autism aren't necessarily scoring low on the parc just because of their disability. You can't just use % of SN kids as an excuse for poor scores.

On learndc.org it shows that 0% of EH students with special needs were proficient or advanced on PARCC.

Fewer than 25 students at EH took the alternative assessment. I don't have time to do the math to figure out how many students may not have been tested at all, but that is rare. SN kids have to take PARCC or the MSAA.

Yes, I know it's rare. Are you familiar with the children in the medically complex classrooms at SWS? Maybe not. For some reason they shunt those kids to the basement. They are not taking the PARCC, I assure you.

Ok. But there isn't a medically complex classroom at EH, which is what we were talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools).

I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents defend the mess tooth and nail. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.

The fact that YOU don't have feeder rights to SH doesn't a "mess"make. Brent isn't the only IB school with high SES, you obnoxious self centered "me-monster". And as the numbers actually show, LT and other SH feeders are improving (and in some cases outpacing Brent). While the number of OOB lottery spots matching in the lottery is falling to near zero. So the fact that you want to believe nothing is changing doesn't mean nothing is changing.

As others have said, and contrary to your belief, you will in fact not be missed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools).

I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents defend the mess tooth and nail. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.

First of all, there are currently only about 270 MS aged students living SH zone (regardless of where those children attend school), so your "hundreds like us" is a remarkably stupid hyperbole.