White supremacist, neo-nazi Richard Spencer moves to King St, Old Town Alexandria

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about you get the hell over someone else's beliefs? My God. You people need to get lives.

When you are a person of color who has to walk by that address, you sure as hell care about that office being there. That's the point, PP. For many of us, just ignoring white supremacists is not an option. They endanger people. They also bring down property values of neighbors and affect businesses as many may not feel safe walking in that area anymore. Get it now?

Do you think he's going to personally attack you? I would be more concerned with having a violent criminal or sex offender living down the street than a political extremist, who's worst crime is probably going to be publishing an online diatribe.

Think critically about this.

Spoken like a person whose very livelihood and existences are not threatened in online diatribes by people walking amongst you day to day, or walking into your church and shooting up people who look like you.

And that, friends, is what white privilege looks like

[Anonymous]

There is an enormous difference between being tolerant and open minded vs hate speech.

I consider myself a very tolerant and open minded person. I have good friends who are tea-party members, Trump voters and very, very pro life single issuer voter. I have friends who hate kids and one friend who has 9. I have friends who are Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, Buddhist, atheist and one who has decided she's a Wiccan. I have two transgendered friends, before it was in the news everywhere. I have friends who believe it is a sin to be gay and left our church over sanctioning gay marriage. I have a friend who believes in the Kirk Cameron views on marriage. I even have friends who like Duke University.

BUT as for people who say blacks and whites should not mix, that people of non-western European descent should pack up and leave the US, people who say we need an ethnic cleansing (which to me = genocide in some form), who say Heil Trump and do a Nazi salute, well no, I don't have to tolerate them. I don't have to invite them into my home or socialize with them. I don't have to listen to them preach hate speech. I can walk away. I can choose to not frequent their business.I can voice my objection to their disgusting views.

If I ever came face to face with Spencer, which I could because I live in Del Ray, I probably would just say something like may god have mercy on your soul. Because he ain't getting it from me. And someone who makes it their life mission to circulate these types of hateful views is disturbed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do yall really think this is the only neo-Nazi white supremacist living in Old Town?

Not at all. But I think that's one of the most terrifying things about Trump - he's brought all those cockroaches out from the dark and given them fuel to green light their hatred publicly (and organize).

Sorry to say, but you do sound like a hateful cockroach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do yall really think this is the only neo-Nazi white supremacist living in Old Town?

Not at all. But I think that's one of the most terrifying things about Trump - he's brought all those cockroaches out from the dark and given them fuel to green light their hatred publicly (and organize).

Sorry to say, but you do sound like a hateful cockroach.

No, you're the puppet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have great sympathy for the chocolate shop on the first floor, if this is located where I think it is. As a real estate lawyer, I hope the shop, as a tenant, has a nuisance clause in their lease. I am curious as to how his presence plays out in that neighborhood. Will people protest outside? Will there be threats against him and his "think tank" that he runs out of that location? Will his presence, being the upstairs tenant, create a nuisance to the chocolate shop (in the form of protests, harassment, loss of business and security risks for the tenant on the first floor, aka the chocolate shop)?

Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar). But i doubt that will be the end of it, considering how liberal and diverse the City of Alexandria is. If people start to protest outside, then the chocolate store may have the right to exercise a nuisance clause (which if written correctly protects the tenant in such a situation and can force the landlord to intervene, protect said tenant, pay damages to the tenant and even let them out of their lease).

I suspect the landlord did not know who Richard Spencer was when the space was rented to him, I also bet Spencer used an entity as the tenant as opposed to himself as an individual, further masking his identity. Why he would pick Alexandria is curious, it is a very liberal city and OT is a very liberal neighborhood. Considering he is also living in that space, he will have to interact with Alexandrians at the grocery store, CVS, gas station, etc. People probably will start to recognize him. It suggests to me he relishes in conflict and confrontation.

Except this guy. It's ok to hate this guy.

Seriously though, Alexandria is not the bastion of liberalness people who live there want to believe it is. I live there. Mostly I find that my wealthy white rich neighbors like having the poors and "diverse" as learning lessons for their children and/or a way to feel good about themselves. It's rare to find those who really are looking to truly have an inclusive neighborhood or school or environment. In fact during the discussions on redistricting, I heard one of the moms in the George Mason neighborhood refer to the kids who are bussed over to the school as "nachos". She just didn't think anyone else was going to over hear her.

1. Its okay to have troubles with someone because of their political beliefs and actions, which is not the same as having issues with someone because of their race, religion, etc. I would hope that is clear (BTW, I hate Stalin. Sorry about that)

2. FYI, most people in the City of Alexandria do not live in Old Town. Where I live "wealthy rich neighbors" (?) of any race are scare on the ground. The building (for shame, I live in a "building") I live in is about a third african american, at least 10% middle eastern, a few asians, nobody rich, and we all get along together. If you are tired of Old Town moms, you should come out here once in a while.

3. As for Old Town, based on voting patterns, both local and national elections, its about the most GOP leaning section of the City, though still majority Dem.
As for wanting poor people as learning lessons, if that results in them supporting housing in Old Town for poor people, I see nothing wrong with that. Sounds like they do want an inclusive neighborhood, just not for reasons you approve of. As for that mom who said nachos, she is repulsive, but are you really generalizing to everyone in OT based on her?

I don't live in Old Town.

I, too, live in a building. It is right near very expensive single family homes.

You need to get out and realize that Alexandria is not just Old Town and the place you live. There is plenty in between and a big portion of it is very expensive single family homes (think $700K+)

Density has increased in Old Town over the past few years and will continue to do so with the redevelopment of several neighborhoods.

I am glad your neighbors "get along" but don't delude yourself into believing that means that they are absolutely accepting of everyone's beliefs, race, ethnicity, culture, etc. Also realize that many of your neighbors are your neighbors because they simply can't afford to live anywhere else. They are not purposefully picking to live there for some great diversity experience, many times its just basic economics. Rents/mortages are cheaper and there are more bedrooms; therefore, we are live here - end of story. Get to know your neighbors beyond the basic "hi" and "bye" and you will find out the prejudice is real and occurs across all races, culture and ethnicity. That's what I did and it was a really eye opening experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have great sympathy for the chocolate shop on the first floor, if this is located where I think it is. As a real estate lawyer, I hope the shop, as a tenant, has a nuisance clause in their lease. I am curious as to how his presence plays out in that neighborhood. Will people protest outside? Will there be threats against him and his "think tank" that he runs out of that location? Will his presence, being the upstairs tenant, create a nuisance to the chocolate shop (in the form of protests, harassment, loss of business and security risks for the tenant on the first floor, aka the chocolate shop)?

Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar). But i doubt that will be the end of it, considering how liberal and diverse the City of Alexandria is. If people start to protest outside, then the chocolate store may have the right to exercise a nuisance clause (which if written correctly protects the tenant in such a situation and can force the landlord to intervene, protect said tenant, pay damages to the tenant and even let them out of their lease).

I suspect the landlord did not know who Richard Spencer was when the space was rented to him, I also bet Spencer used an entity as the tenant as opposed to himself as an individual, further masking his identity. Why he would pick Alexandria is curious, it is a very liberal city and OT is a very liberal neighborhood. Considering he is also living in that space, he will have to interact with Alexandrians at the grocery store, CVS, gas station, etc. People probably will start to recognize him. It suggests to me he relishes in conflict and confrontation.

Except this guy. It's ok to hate this guy.

Seriously though, Alexandria is not the bastion of liberalness people who live there want to believe it is. I live there. Mostly I find that my wealthy white rich neighbors like having the poors and "diverse" as learning lessons for their children and/or a way to feel good about themselves. It's rare to find those who really are looking to truly have an inclusive neighborhood or school or environment. In fact during the discussions on redistricting, I heard one of the moms in the George Mason neighborhood refer to the kids who are bussed over to the school as "nachos". She just didn't think anyone else was going to over hear her.

1. Its okay to have troubles with someone because of their political beliefs and actions, which is not the same as having issues with someone because of their race, religion, etc. I would hope that is clear (BTW, I hate Stalin. Sorry about that)

2. FYI, most people in the City of Alexandria do not live in Old Town. Where I live "wealthy rich neighbors" (?) of any race are scare on the ground. The building (for shame, I live in a "building") I live in is about a third african american, at least 10% middle eastern, a few asians, nobody rich, and we all get along together. If you are tired of Old Town moms, you should come out here once in a while.

3. As for Old Town, based on voting patterns, both local and national elections, its about the most GOP leaning section of the City, though still majority Dem.
As for wanting poor people as learning lessons, if that results in them supporting housing in Old Town for poor people, I see nothing wrong with that. Sounds like they do want an inclusive neighborhood, just not for reasons you approve of. As for that mom who said nachos, she is repulsive, but are you really generalizing to everyone in OT based on her?

I don't live in Old Town.

I, too, live in a building. It is right near very expensive single family homes.

You need to get out and realize that Alexandria is not just Old Town and the place you live. There is plenty in between and a big portion of it is very expensive single family homes (think $700K+)

Density has increased in Old Town over the past few years and will continue to do so with the redevelopment of several neighborhoods.

I am glad your neighbors "get along" but don't delude yourself into believing that means that they are absolutely accepting of everyone's beliefs, race, ethnicity, culture, etc. Also realize that many of your neighbors are your neighbors because they simply can't afford to live anywhere else. They are not purposefully picking to live there for some great diversity experience, many times its just basic economics. Rents/mortages are cheaper and there are more bedrooms; therefore, we are live here - end of story. Get to know your neighbors beyond the basic "hi" and "bye" and you will find out the prejudice is real and occurs across all races, culture and ethnicity. That's what I did and it was a really eye opening experience.

1. I know pretty much all parts of the City, from Del Ray to Landmark, from Seminary Valley to Arlandria.

2.A 700k house in this area is hardly the one percent. You do realize that, right? Garden variety two income upper middle class.

3. "Absolutely accepting" is a high bar - we are all human. But we do get along pretty well, and the folks I have gotten to know more than hi and bye are pretty accepting of each other's lifestyles. And no, this hirise is far from the cheapest place in the City, or the region. Few may be choosing it specifically for the diversity (though for me its been a plus, especially the last few weeks) but most could find less diversity easily enough if they chose.

4. I am glad density is increasing in Old Town - the City needs the tax revenue, and I think there are other benefits to adding density in a walkable transit oriented area.

I am sorry that the City of Alexandria does not meet standards for absolute acceptance and harmony. I don't know anywhere in the region you would be happy on those grounds. I think its pretty damn good on on diversity and tolerance though, certainly quite enough to justify the idea that Richard Spencer does not fit the values of our City. Maybe some of the muslims in my building quietly disapprove of the folds who drink beer while using the grills on a summer day, and maybe some of the white christians disapprove of the use of hookah, and maybe the older black folks are bemused by both the immigrants and the young whites, but that is a far cry from calls for racial cleansing and racial notions of superiority.

Please stop justifying evil by quibbling about the imperfections of the basically good.

[Anonymous]

The irony of a white supremacist living above a chocolate shop . . .

[Anonymous]

Someone punched Spencer in DC today!

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I don't believe violence is the way to handle things, but this is also a very vile and dangerous man - and sometimes, words and attitudes are much more dangerous than a punch.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/10-gifs-that-will-make-you-feel-better-about-inaugurati-1791451682

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone punched Spencer in DC today!

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I don't believe violence is the way to handle things, but this is also a very vile and dangerous man - and sometimes, words and attitudes are much more dangerous than a punch.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/10-gifs-that-will-make-you-feel-better-about-inaugurati-1791451682

Hey, go for it. But if people start this kind of thing, they don't get to say where it stops. Alleged pictures of the unmasked puncher are already circulating online. Does he have any standing to complain if he is assaulted in return? I dont see how anyone can reasonably claim that. Are you sure you want to start this ride?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone punched Spencer in DC today!

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I don't believe violence is the way to handle things, but this is also a very vile and dangerous man - and sometimes, words and attitudes are much more dangerous than a punch.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/10-gifs-that-will-make-you-feel-better-about-inaugurati-1791451682

Hey, go for it. But if people start this kind of thing, they don't get to say where it stops. Alleged pictures of the unmasked puncher are already circulating online. Does he have any standing to complain if he is assaulted in return? I dont see how anyone can reasonably claim that. Are you sure you want to start this ride?

I'm told the assailant was tentatively identified as karma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What did he say that was so offensive?

Following are some quotes from Spencer’s latest speech at Texas A&M:

“At the end of the day, America belongs to white men.”
“You’re part of a bigger extended family, and that race has a story to tell. It’s a people and a blood and a place on the map.”
“Whether it was nice or not, and I’m not going to deny there was a lot of brutality that went along with it, we won,” Spencer reportedly said about civilizations built by Europeans, which according to him are eventually put in danger when their fundamental racial identity is lost.
“Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity.”
“Trump was the first step toward white identity politics in the United States. He is not going to be the last. The alt-right is a new beginning.”

For all the leftists who have told white men how hateful they are and how they will be the minority soon, how is he wrong? Liberals always say race matters. Except the white race

[Anonymous]

Spencer just wanted to follow his Fuhrer, who just moved to what.

[Anonymous]

White House

[Anonymous]

In other news, Blueprint only selling white chocolate from now on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What did he say that was so offensive?

Following are some quotes from Spencer’s latest speech at Texas A&M:

“At the end of the day, America belongs to white men.”
“You’re part of a bigger extended family, and that race has a story to tell. It’s a people and a blood and a place on the map.”
“Whether it was nice or not, and I’m not going to deny there was a lot of brutality that went along with it, we won,” Spencer reportedly said about civilizations built by Europeans, which according to him are eventually put in danger when their fundamental racial identity is lost.
“Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity.”
“Trump was the first step toward white identity politics in the United States. He is not going to be the last. The alt-right is a new beginning.”

For all the leftists who have told white men how hateful they are and how they will be the minority soon, how is he wrong? Liberals always say race matters. Except the white race

As a Black American I can challenge that notion all day long. My people were here centuries before the influx of White Europeans through Ellis Island looking and receiving Govt sanctioned Handouts. We were here before there was a Constitution, Declaration of Independence, United States or a 13 colonies. Any White American who thinks this country belongs to "White Man" is absurd and needs to pick up a REAL HISTORY BOOK