White supremacist, neo-nazi Richard Spencer moves to King St, Old Town Alexandria

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about you get the hell over someone else's beliefs? My God. You people need to get lives.

When you are a person of color who has to walk by that address, you sure as hell care about that office being there. That's the point, PP. For many of us, just ignoring white supremacists is not an option. They endanger people. They also bring down property values of neighbors and affect businesses as many may not feel safe walking in that area anymore. Get it now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about you get the hell over someone else's beliefs? My God. You people need to get lives.

When you are a person of color who has to walk by that address, you sure as hell care about that office being there. That's the point, PP. For many of us, just ignoring white supremacists is not an option. They endanger people. They also bring down property values of neighbors and affect businesses as many may not feel safe walking in that area anymore. Get it now?

Do you think he's going to personally attack you? I would be more concerned with having a violent criminal or sex offender living down the street than a political extremist, who's worst crime is probably going to be publishing an online diatribe.

Think critically about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about you get the hell over someone else's beliefs? My God. You people need to get lives.

When you are a person of color who has to walk by that address, you sure as hell care about that office being there. That's the point, PP. For many of us, just ignoring white supremacists is not an option. They endanger people. They also bring down property values of neighbors and affect businesses as many may not feel safe walking in that area anymore. Get it now?

Do you think he's going to personally attack you? I would be more concerned with having a violent criminal or sex offender living down the street than a political extremist, who's worst crime is probably going to be publishing an online diatribe.

Think critically about this.

Spoken like a person whose very livelihood and existences are not threatened in online diatribes by people walking amongst you day to day, or walking into your church and shooting up people who look like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about you get the hell over someone else's beliefs? My God. You people need to get lives.

Agreed. There are people out there with opinions different from yours, and some of those opinions are controversial. As long as they don't physically harm anyone or break the law, they deserve to rent an apartment just like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

The trolls and pizza gate like posters are out in full force.

Some of you need to take a con law class on what exactly is protected as free speech. Not everything is, especially when it tows the line of inciting violence, which Richard Spencer definitely does. Whether specific things he has said, like a call for ethnic cleansing, can be debated. How do you think the government has grounds to arrest people for being suspected ISIS supporters for what they post online or say in public? It is questionable whether his intent is to incite violence or preach hate speech. I think he is extremely smart and he is very careful in the words he picks in order to stay on the right side of the law, but I am not a judge.

PLUS you can also discriminate against anyone for ANY reason BUT for an illegal reason. Illegal reason being a suspect or quasi-suspect classification (such as race, religion, gender, national origin, etc.). The landlord is not obligated to rent to Spencer, his neo-nazi and alt-right beliefs do not qualify as protected classification.

[Anonymous]

This is what happens when you displease Richard Spencer:

https://thinkprogress.org/daily-stormer-armed-march-whitefish-richard-spencer-mother-c24e046d7973#.oj3qjp706

I certainly wouldn't want him as a neighbor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about you get the hell over someone else's beliefs? My God. You people need to get lives.

Agreed. There are people out there with opinions different from yours, and some of those opinions are controversial. As long as they don't physically harm anyone or break the law, they deserve to rent an apartment just like everyone else.

You think ideas and beliefs can't harm people? You think the only way to harm someone is to physically harm them? Have you ever taken a history class?

[Anonymous]

I have great sympathy for the chocolate shop on the first floor, if this is located where I think it is. As a real estate lawyer, I hope the shop, as a tenant, has a nuisance clause in their lease. I am curious as to how his presence plays out in that neighborhood. Will people protest outside? Will there be threats against him and his "think tank" that he runs out of that location? Will his presence, being the upstairs tenant, create a nuisance to the chocolate shop (in the form of protests, harassment, loss of business and security risks for the tenant on the first floor, aka the chocolate shop)?

Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar). But i doubt that will be the end of it, considering how liberal and diverse the City of Alexandria is. If people start to protest outside, then the chocolate store may have the right to exercise a nuisance clause (which if written correctly protects the tenant in such a situation and can force the landlord to intervene, protect said tenant, pay damages to the tenant and even let them out of their lease).

I suspect the landlord did not know who Richard Spencer was when the space was rented to him, I also bet Spencer used an entity as the tenant as opposed to himself as an individual, further masking his identity. Why he would pick Alexandria is curious, it is a very liberal city and OT is a very liberal neighborhood. Considering he is also living in that space, he will have to interact with Alexandrians at the grocery store, CVS, gas station, etc. People probably will start to recognize him. It suggests to me he relishes in conflict and confrontation.

[Anonymous]

Didn't Spencer live in Arlington? And didn't someone post his address publicly? Is that what prompted him to move?

Spencer isn't a quiet private person who just happens to hold neo-nazi views. He is an organization leader, who does speaking engagements, conferences, and public appearances - I think that's a big difference. I hope my fellow OT residents will make it very clear that he nor his ilk are welcome in our neighborhood.

FWIW, this appears to be the listing: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1001-King-St-A-Alexandria-VA-22314/2101745333_zpid/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Spencer live in Arlington? And didn't someone post his address publicly? Is that what prompted him to move?

Spencer isn't a quiet private person who just happens to hold neo-nazi views. He is an organization leader, who does speaking engagements, conferences, and public appearances - I think that's a big difference. I hope my fellow OT residents will make it very clear that he nor his ilk are welcome in our neighborhood.

FWIW, this appears to be the listing: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1001-King-St-A-Alexandria-VA-22314/2101745333_zpid/

Yes he's been living and working in Arlington, and was "outed" by a national journalist who also lives in Arlington. I have to wonder if his recent separation from his wife is the reason for the move. Maybe she's taking the house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do yall really think this is the only neo-Nazi white supremacist living in Old Town?

I dunno. Do neo nazis hate cyclists as well as other minorities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar).

So I can protest by patronizing those shops? Yay!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar).

So I can protest by patronizing those shops? Yay!

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have great sympathy for the chocolate shop on the first floor, if this is located where I think it is. As a real estate lawyer, I hope the shop, as a tenant, has a nuisance clause in their lease. I am curious as to how his presence plays out in that neighborhood. Will people protest outside? Will there be threats against him and his "think tank" that he runs out of that location? Will his presence, being the upstairs tenant, create a nuisance to the chocolate shop (in the form of protests, harassment, loss of business and security risks for the tenant on the first floor, aka the chocolate shop)?

Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar). But i doubt that will be the end of it, considering how liberal and diverse the City of Alexandria is. If people start to protest outside, then the chocolate store may have the right to exercise a nuisance clause (which if written correctly protects the tenant in such a situation and can force the landlord to intervene, protect said tenant, pay damages to the tenant and even let them out of their lease).

I suspect the landlord did not know who Richard Spencer was when the space was rented to him, I also bet Spencer used an entity as the tenant as opposed to himself as an individual, further masking his identity. Why he would pick Alexandria is curious, it is a very liberal city and OT is a very liberal neighborhood. Considering he is also living in that space, he will have to interact with Alexandrians at the grocery store, CVS, gas station, etc. People probably will start to recognize him. It suggests to me he relishes in conflict and confrontation.

Except this guy. It's ok to hate this guy.

Seriously though, Alexandria is not the bastion of liberalness people who live there want to believe it is. I live there. Mostly I find that my wealthy white rich neighbors like having the poors and "diverse" as learning lessons for their children and/or a way to feel good about themselves. It's rare to find those who really are looking to truly have an inclusive neighborhood or school or environment. In fact during the discussions on redistricting, I heard one of the moms in the George Mason neighborhood refer to the kids who are bussed over to the school as "nachos". She just didn't think anyone else was going to over hear her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have great sympathy for the chocolate shop on the first floor, if this is located where I think it is. As a real estate lawyer, I hope the shop, as a tenant, has a nuisance clause in their lease. I am curious as to how his presence plays out in that neighborhood. Will people protest outside? Will there be threats against him and his "think tank" that he runs out of that location? Will his presence, being the upstairs tenant, create a nuisance to the chocolate shop (in the form of protests, harassment, loss of business and security risks for the tenant on the first floor, aka the chocolate shop)?

Many of the small local businesses of OT have already started a campaign against Spencer with signs they are posting in their windows (they say NO HATE, tolerant ALX or something similar). But i doubt that will be the end of it, considering how liberal and diverse the City of Alexandria is. If people start to protest outside, then the chocolate store may have the right to exercise a nuisance clause (which if written correctly protects the tenant in such a situation and can force the landlord to intervene, protect said tenant, pay damages to the tenant and even let them out of their lease).

I suspect the landlord did not know who Richard Spencer was when the space was rented to him, I also bet Spencer used an entity as the tenant as opposed to himself as an individual, further masking his identity. Why he would pick Alexandria is curious, it is a very liberal city and OT is a very liberal neighborhood. Considering he is also living in that space, he will have to interact with Alexandrians at the grocery store, CVS, gas station, etc. People probably will start to recognize him. It suggests to me he relishes in conflict and confrontation.

Except this guy. It's ok to hate this guy.

Seriously though, Alexandria is not the bastion of liberalness people who live there want to believe it is. I live there. Mostly I find that my wealthy white rich neighbors like having the poors and "diverse" as learning lessons for their children and/or a way to feel good about themselves. It's rare to find those who really are looking to truly have an inclusive neighborhood or school or environment. In fact during the discussions on redistricting, I heard one of the moms in the George Mason neighborhood refer to the kids who are bussed over to the school as "nachos". She just didn't think anyone else was going to over hear her.

1. Its okay to have troubles with someone because of their political beliefs and actions, which is not the same as having issues with someone because of their race, religion, etc. I would hope that is clear (BTW, I hate Stalin. Sorry about that)

2. FYI, most people in the City of Alexandria do not live in Old Town. Where I live "wealthy rich neighbors" (?) of any race are scare on the ground. The building (for shame, I live in a "building") I live in is about a third african american, at least 10% middle eastern, a few asians, nobody rich, and we all get along together. If you are tired of Old Town moms, you should come out here once in a while.

3. As for Old Town, based on voting patterns, both local and national elections, its about the most GOP leaning section of the City, though still majority Dem.
As for wanting poor people as learning lessons, if that results in them supporting housing in Old Town for poor people, I see nothing wrong with that. Sounds like they do want an inclusive neighborhood, just not for reasons you approve of. As for that mom who said nachos, she is repulsive, but are you really generalizing to everyone in OT based on her?