Does anyone believe Chinese have a right to birthright citizenship?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is the wording of the Constitution.

What matters is the interpretation of the wording of the Constitution. Clearly, there was never any intent to extend citizenship to the children of tourists who give birth here and then leave. What other country does that? Answer: Only Canada to some extent. The right to exclude foreigners is a right every nation in the world enjoys based on state sovereignty. It's time we started enforcing it like the rest of the world.

Actually, just about all of the Americas, North and South. Not just us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Nice try, but wrong. Only US and Canada have automatic birthright citizenship. 31 others make it possible via application. The other 160+ nations outlaw it altogether.

This is also incorrect information. The children of Canadians are canadian citizens, pure and simple.

An OP pointed issues at her school - Canada actually saw this problem and a few years ago began restricting who could claim Canadian citizenship. They realized that they had people (esp in Hong Kong) who held Canadian citizenship through their parents or grandparents and none had lived in Canada for years or ever or had any real connection to the place. I think Americans have to ask if this is what they want US citizenship to become - an insurance policy and a backup or even a status symbol like an LV bag for rich people around the world.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter what I believe. What matters is the wording of the Constitution.

What matters is the interpretation of the wording of the Constitution. Clearly, there was never any intent to extend citizenship to the children of tourists who give birth here and then leave. What other country does that? Answer: Only Canada to some extent. The right to exclude foreigners is a right every nation in the world enjoys based on state sovereignty. It's time we started enforcing it like the rest of the world.

Actually, just about all of the Americas, North and South. Not just us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Nice try, but wrong. Only US and Canada have automatic birthright citizenship. 31 others make it possible via application. The other 160+ nations outlaw it altogether.

An OP pointed issues at her school - Canada actually saw this problem and a few years ago began restricting who could claim Canadian citizenship. They realized that they had people (esp in Hong Kong) who held Canadian citizenship through their parents or grandparents and none had lived in Canada for years or ever or had any real connection to the place. I think Americans have to ask if this is what they want US citizenship to become - an insurance policy and a backup or even a status symbol like an LV bag for rich people around the world.

Democrats the party that used to support the working class is so blinded by political correctness that they can't bring themselves to help their own US citizens over the rest of the people in the world . They think this policy is correct . And if you can't understand why the rest of the country hates the elites well you are really living in a bubble .

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Anonymous wrote:If born on American soil. Yes. Americans.

Yes. Why would this upset anyone?

Espionage, for one thing. You can bet the PLA now has or will soon have operatives who are U.S. Citizens.

Fear mongering?

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oops, these babies will cause me to lose my job at Ford.

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Anonymous wrote:If born on American soil. Yes. Americans.

Yes. Why would this upset anyone?

Espionage, for one thing. You can bet the PLA now has or will soon have operatives who are U.S. Citizens.

Fear mongering?

Ha, no. Just experience 25 years in the national security and counterintelligence field.

[Anonymous]

Well, China forbids students without foreign passports from attending international schools, so the wealthy Chinese get US or other passports for their kids so they have options. We lived there for years and know tons of people who did this and never lived in the US. It doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades. I think it would be more equitable to make a path to citizenship for many who do work in the US so they can pay taxes. If you work and live in the US > you pay US income tax.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is clear indication of how liberal elites that post here are out of touch with the rest of the country

No one can argue with people that don't care about the negative impacts to low skilled labor

this is why democrats lost the presidency. He house and the senate and why democrats are lead by pelosi from San Fran and shumer from new york

If I had a dollar for every reason that was "the reason" Democrats lost the election I'd be living in Trump Tower trolling Twitter. I assure you, the fact that some Democrats don't care about Chinese babies being born in the US is not even in the top 100 reasons that the Democrats lost.

Why is it that you are only concerned about birth tourism involving Chinese? Surely you are aware that nationals of many other countries do it as well?

Trump campaigned on populism anti immigration. all the other republican candidates wanted to increase immigration. Hillary wanted to triple h1b program. Obama has quadrupled the OPT program

I know you prefer to just yell racist but a lot of people voted for trump in spite of his racist comments

We need to out American workers first in immigration reform

Have you asked Trump why he employs foreign workers on visas at his properties, instead of Americans?

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What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades

Has this rule changed? I thought that if you stayed out of the country you did not have to pay? I have a cousin who did this back in the late '70's. He couldn't come home to visit or he had to pay taxes.

Personally, I think that if you are an American citizen, you should not be allowed to have another passport. I think you should have to claim loyalty by the age of 25 if you have the 'right" to two citizenships. That anchor for the Spanish television network voted in Mexico and the US. There is something wrong with that, I think. I suspect that the Americans in Iranian prisons have Iranian passports, too.

Is that really too much to ask? That you be a citizen of only one country?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, China forbids students without foreign passports from attending international schools, so the wealthy Chinese get US or other passports for their kids so they have options. We lived there for years and know tons of people who did this and never lived in the US. It doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades. I think it would be more equitable to make a path to citizenship for many who do work in the US so they can pay taxes. If you work and live in the US > you pay US income tax.

So our country's citizenship is used to game the Chinese system? That is great. That is really what I want my country's citizenship used for. Why don't those rich Chinese friends of yours focus on changing the education system in China rather than running around trying to get US/Canadian/Panamanian, etc passports? By providing an easy out for rich Chinese and their cash we are actually harming the reform process in China. Why try to make your country better when it is easier to pack your bags full of cash, get a foreign passport and get out of Dodge? Let the poors deal with the pollution, crummy schools and so forth.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, China forbids students without foreign passports from attending international schools, so the wealthy Chinese get US or other passports for their kids so they have options. We lived there for years and know tons of people who did this and never lived in the US. It doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades. I think it would be more equitable to make a path to citizenship for many who do work in the US so they can pay taxes. If you work and live in the US > you pay US income tax.

So our country's citizenship is used to game the Chinese system? That is great. That is really what I want my country's citizenship used for. Why don't those rich Chinese friends of yours focus on changing the education system in China rather than running around trying to get US/Canadian/Panamanian, etc passports? By providing an easy out for rich Chinese and their cash we are actually harming the reform process in China. Why try to make your country better when it is easier to pack your bags full of cash, get a foreign passport and get out of Dodge? Let the poors deal with the pollution, crummy schools and so forth.

Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Rich people of all nationalities have been gaming the system in their favor throughout history.

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What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades

Has this rule changed? I thought that if you stayed out of the country you did not have to pay? I have a cousin who did this back in the late '70's. He couldn't come home to visit or he had to pay taxes.

Personally, I think that if you are an American citizen, you should not be allowed to have another passport. I think you should have to claim loyalty by the age of 25 if you have the 'right" to two citizenships. That anchor for the Spanish television network voted in Mexico and the US. There is something wrong with that, I think. I suspect that the Americans in Iranian prisons have Iranian passports, too.

Is that really too much to ask? That you be a citizen of only one country?

There are some countries that won't let you give up your citizenship (it's a relict of not wanting people to dodge draft by giving up citizenship). So even if you want to, you can't. I am in such position.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, China forbids students without foreign passports from attending international schools, so the wealthy Chinese get US or other passports for their kids so they have options. We lived there for years and know tons of people who did this and never lived in the US. It doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades. I think it would be more equitable to make a path to citizenship for many who do work in the US so they can pay taxes. If you work and live in the US > you pay US income tax.

So our country's citizenship is used to game the Chinese system? That is great. That is really what I want my country's citizenship used for. Why don't those rich Chinese friends of yours focus on changing the education system in China rather than running around trying to get US/Canadian/Panamanian, etc passports? By providing an easy out for rich Chinese and their cash we are actually harming the reform process in China. Why try to make your country better when it is easier to pack your bags full of cash, get a foreign passport and get out of Dodge? Let the poors deal with the pollution, crummy schools and so forth.

Why aren't they changing the system? Because they don't live in a one-party communist state and protesters get jailed. I would hope Trump supporters understand this thing called democracy.

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*they live in a one-party communist state, not a democracy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If born on American soil. Yes. Americans.

Yes. Why would this upset anyone?

Espionage, for one thing. You can bet the PLA now has or will soon have operatives who are U.S. Citizens.

Fear mongering?

Ha, no. Just experience 25 years in the national security and counterintelligence field.

That's a different thread. This one is about rich Chinese and their babies, not foreign spies.

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What bothers me is Americans abroad having to pay US taxes even though they haven't lived or worked in the US - some for decades

Has this rule changed? I thought that if you stayed out of the country you did not have to pay? I have a cousin who did this back in the late '70's. He couldn't come home to visit or he had to pay taxes.

Personally, I think that if you are an American citizen, you should not be allowed to have another passport. I think you should have to claim loyalty by the age of 25 if you have the 'right" to two citizenships. That anchor for the Spanish television network voted in Mexico and the US. There is something wrong with that, I think. I suspect that the Americans in Iranian prisons have Iranian passports, too.

Is that really too much to ask? That you be a citizen of only one country?

If you are paying taxes to two nations, you absolutely deserve the right to vote in two countries. We paid US and Chinese taxes for nearly a decade and you'd better believe I would have also voted in China had they given me - or anyone living there - the opportunity.