Why don't we ban the burqa?

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Anonymous wrote:I see burkas downtown and in gtown all the time.

I doubt you know the difference between a burqa, hijab and niqab, or even a kaffiyeh for that matter.

Not the PP. I do, and see burkas in No. VA every day. Go to Tysons II mall and it's full of 'em - usually Saud

That's not a burqa. That is a niqab. Jesus, if you're going to be an islamophobe, do it properly.

Full black robes with only their eyes showing?

Right, that's a niqab. A niqab is not a burqa is not a chador and calling one the other makes you sound ignorant and islamophobic.

Listen, I think the sexually unbalanced covering of women's whole bodies and faces is moronic (as I find the unbalanced garb of Amish, Orthodox Jews etc equally offensive on a feminist level), but this making them "other" doesn't do anything but further alienate them as people and as a culture. Do you remember the recent "burqini" ban in France? Do you know why Muslim women hated that so much? Because the burqini, while wildly oppressive by our eyes (or excellent sun protection, depending how you feel), allowed those women to go to the beach and partake. Same thing here: stupidly oppressive outfit by Western standards, but it allows them to leave their homes.

Don't forget that just because they look anonymous under there doesn't mean they aren't people.

Um, not knowing the difference between a burqa and a niqab is not islamophobic. Ignorant of the difference between the two, yes, but not islamophobic. I don't know the difference between different types of yarmulke or kippah or what have you, but that doesn't make me an anti-semite. Just uninformed. And I think Catholic priests and Protestant ministers wear different types of collars, but I couldn't tell you what they are--that doesn't make me anti-Christian.

And PSA: ignorance is not a terrible thing. I am ignorant of lots of things, but I try to be open-minded and learn about things of which I am ignorant. People throw around the term "ignorant" like it's this great insult, when it's really not.

You know why it does sound both ignorant and islamophobic? Because people are insistent, "no, I have seen burqas here, tons!" even after people have said, those are not burqas. It's functionally saying, they're all the same anyway. It's the same reason assuming all people from Africa are from the same culture is racist, because it's dehumanizing and difference-flattening. I couldn't tell you the name of the little tasseled shawl Jewish men wear, or even which sort of Judaism they practice, or who does what why for religious reasons, but then I wouldn't get online and start a thread saying we should ban them, either.

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What no one is noting in the burqas worn in the Middle East rather than in the States is that the fronts are often shorter so women can easily expose their hands for cooking, cleaning, and other domestic chores.

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Anonymous wrote:What no one is noting in the burqas worn in the Middle East rather than in the States is that the fronts are often shorter so women can easily expose their hands for cooking, cleaning, and other domestic chores.

Wow

One step toward feminism!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This.

Also, are you dumb, OP? Not a lot of burqas around here.

Actually, what planet are you living on? I live in DC and see Burqas quite regularly. Been to Tysons lately? However, PP is right. Our constitutition is what stops us from banning. I'm a pretty progressive and liberal person, who believes in the right to freely exercise one's religion, but when I see a woman wearing one it makes my skin crawl.

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Anonymous wrote:I see burkas downtown and in gtown all the time.

I doubt you know the difference between a burqa, hijab and niqab, or even a kaffiyeh for that matter.

Not the PP. I do, and see burkas in No. VA every day. Go to Tysons II mall and it's full of 'em - usually Saud

That's not a burqa. That is a niqab. Jesus, if you're going to be an islamophobe, do it properly.

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Uhmmm. Nope. They are Burqas and I see them very regularly. Doesn't matter that you don't have a problem with women wearing them but stop denying that there are plenty of burqas floating around Tysons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This.

Also, are you dumb, OP? Not a lot of burqas around here.

Actually, what planet are you living on? I live in DC and see Burqas quite regularly. Been to Tysons lately? However, PP is right. Our constitutition is what stops us from banning. I'm a pretty progressive and liberal person, who believes in the right to freely exercise one's religion, but when I see a woman wearing one it makes my skin crawl.

How very progressive and tolerant of you!

I have never seen a burqa in DC or Tysons. If you are referring to the Arab women, they are generally Gulf Arabs at Tysons and wouldn't be caught dead wearing a burqa.

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Anonymous wrote:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This.

Also, are you dumb, OP? Not a lot of burqas around here.

Come on out to 7 Corners. They are everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This.

Also, are you dumb, OP? Not a lot of burqas around here.

Come on out to 7 Corners. They are everywhere.

What you see are not burqas.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we need more burqas - especially in flyover country and walmart.

Because everyone in the DC area is so beautiful.

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Anonymous wrote:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This.

Also, are you dumb, OP? Not a lot of burqas around here.

Come on out to 7 Corners. They are everywhere.

What you see are not burqas.

How do you know what they are seeing? Different poster here - I am a SAHM and out and about everyday running errands and I see them regularly. Yes, burqas - completely covered in black head to toe with a small slit for their eyes. I've also seen the other kind of costume where the women are afforded a little flap over their mouth so they can breath properly once in awhile. I have seen them mostly at Seven Corners and Fair City Mall in Fairfax but have also seen them in DC. The women who wear these are always traveling in groups or accompanied by men.

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Anonymous wrote:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This.

Also, are you dumb, OP? Not a lot of burqas around here.

Come on out to 7 Corners. They are everywhere.

What you see are not burqas.

How do you know what they are seeing? Different poster here - I am a SAHM and out and about everyday running errands and I see them regularly. Yes, burqas - completely covered in black head to toe with a small slit for their eyes. I've also seen the other kind of costume where the women are afforded a little flap over their mouth so they can breath properly once in awhile. I have seen them mostly at Seven Corners and Fair City Mall in Fairfax but have also seen them in DC. The women who wear these are always traveling in groups or accompanied by men.

Your description does not fit a burqa. Sorry.

First, you are very unlikely to see a black burqa. More often than not they are neutral or somewhat colorful.

Second, what you are describing is a Sunni woman wearing traditional conservative attire. In all likelihood Saudi or Kuwaiti. Their attire comprises 3 elements. The abaya. The black robe/cloak. The niqab. This is a face veil. Given you say there is merely a slit for the eyes would suggest conservative Saudi (an ardent Salafi would wear this). And finally the hijab. This is the hair covering. Less conservative garb would be a niqab that covers only the nose and mouth or no niqab at all.

These are no more interchangeable with a burqa than a kilt is for lederhosen.

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Oh dear Lord, people, the Google is your friend.

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I don't know if we should ban all of these getups, but I do know that they look hot, heavy, and uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if we should ban all of these getups, but I do know that they look hot, heavy, and uncomfortable.

Maybe you should ask.

I don't know any Muslim women who don't like wearing their national dress. By design it's cool and surprisingly light. The big things I hear is the fear they're going to be attacked by a rabid Trumpeteer for begging a terrorist or attacked by a progressive feminist SJW who wants to "free" them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if we should ban all of these getups, but I do know that they look hot, heavy, and uncomfortable.

Maybe you should ask.

I don't know any Muslim women who don't like wearing their national dress. By design it's cool and surprisingly light. The big things I hear is the fear they're going to be attacked by a rabid Trumpeteer for begging a terrorist or attacked by a progressive feminist SJW who wants to "free" them.

My ME neighbor readily admits it's a warm outfit (yes, I know where she's from, no I don't feel like outing her or myself). She chooses to wear it, as is her right.

And stop using the phrase "SJW" - it automatically undercuts any argument you make.