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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I see burkas downtown and in gtown all the time.[/quote]

I doubt you know the difference between a burqa, hijab and niqab, or even a kaffiyeh for that matter. [/quote]

Not the PP. I do, and see burkas in No. VA every day. Go to Tysons II mall and it's full of 'em - usually Saud[/quote]

That's not a burqa. That is a niqab. Jesus, if you're going to be an islamophobe, do it properly.[/quote]

Full black robes with only their eyes showing?[/quote]

Right, that's a niqab. A niqab is not a burqa is not a chador and calling one the other makes [b]you sound ignorant and islamophobic[/b].

Listen, I think the sexually unbalanced covering of women's whole bodies and faces is moronic (as I find the unbalanced garb of Amish, Orthodox Jews etc equally offensive on a feminist level), but this making them "other" doesn't do anything but further alienate them as people and as a culture. Do you remember the recent "burqini" ban in France? Do you know why Muslim women hated that so much? Because the burqini, while wildly oppressive by our eyes (or excellent sun protection, depending how you feel), allowed those women to go to the beach and partake. Same thing here: stupidly oppressive outfit by Western standards, but it allows them to leave their homes.

Don't forget that just because they look anonymous under there doesn't mean they aren't people. [/quote]

Um, not knowing the difference between a burqa and a niqab is not islamophobic. Ignorant of the difference between the two, yes, but not islamophobic. I don't know the difference between different types of yarmulke or kippah or what have you, but that doesn't make me an anti-semite.  Just uninformed. And I think Catholic priests and Protestant ministers wear different types of collars, but I couldn't tell you what they are--that doesn't make me anti-Christian.

And PSA: ignorance is not a terrible thing. I am ignorant of lots of things, but I try to be open-minded and learn about things of which I am ignorant. People throw around the term "ignorant" like it's this great insult, when it's really not. [/quote]

You know why it does sound both ignorant and islamophobic? Because people are insistent, "no, I have seen burqas here, tons!" even after people have said, those are not burqas. It's functionally saying, they're all the same anyway. It's the same reason assuming all people from Africa are from the same culture is racist, because it's dehumanizing and difference-flattening. I couldn't tell you the name of the little tasseled shawl Jewish men wear, or even which sort of Judaism they practice, or who does what why for religious reasons, but then I wouldn't get online and start a thread saying we should ban them, either. [/quote]

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