Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are several western (and non western countries) with female leaders. Why are American white men so against HRC?

There has been much said about the Commander in Chief forum, and how HRC never smiled. The white male Repubs made a point about that. If she had been a man, I highly doubt they would've said anything about it.

I'm not a huge HRC supporter (I'm actually a former Republican), but I don't understand why American white males are sexist in this regard. I know, I know.. she's crooked, unfit, blah blah blah.. but honestly, the same argument can be used against Trump.

So, is it because they are sexist? Would they, could they even admit it to themselves?

They are in YOUR MIND and for some reason you can't let it go. In reality it is far from a fact or issue. Can you even admit that to yourself?

My DH is white and voting for HRC. So, yes, I know there are white American men who don't support Trump. But, a vast majority do. Like I stated, in my mind, he is as bad as she is. So why support him but not her?

Do you honestly think if she said some of the things he has, making fun of a disabled person on national tv, saying hateful things about a religion, an ethnic group, that she wouldn't be called a horrible person? Yet, Trump has said all these things, but his supporters say nothing about his behavior.

He is as arrogant, if not more so, than she is, but I read on here all the time by Trump supporters about how arrogant she is. The backlash she got for not smiling on the CIC forum was very telling to me.

Thats a false dichotomy, trump is much worse than Hillary in every measure. But somehow people say he is the same. No he is not. Trump never tells the truth. It's all lies all the time. Hilary lies like any normal human. Trump is a sociopath who sees no difference between a lie and a truth.

np

Oh, so now Trump is a sociopath? lol

Well, I am not sure either could be called a sociopath, but, they are both narcissist.

[Anonymous]

On the other hand this same line of stupid question could be "Why are females so dumb they will vote for a vagina that lies and should be in jail because they hate a successful alpha male"

[Anonymous]

I think the white male Trump supporters can be largely divided into two groups (with some outliers, it's not a full 100% who fit into one of the two groups) -- those who are basically failing in our current economic system because they can't compete for jobs, and those who have had a good amount of success, are among the economically privileged, and see in Trump someone who will ultimately use the Presidency to do everything he can to maximize his own wealth, which will correlate into an increase in their own. The latter may or may not be sexist, they're just deeply selfish and think everyone else can go screw, even if it means literally dying from poverty. The former are already struggling to compete as their white male privilege lessens, and whether the acknowledge it to themselves or not, they know if they had to compete with women on an equal footing, they'd fail even more because there would simply be that many more people who are better than them. I think they subconsciously are afraid of a female POTUS because it's one more sign of their sinking privilege and how much more they'll struggle when they have to compete fully on their own merits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the other hand this same line of stupid question could be "Why are females so dumb they will vote for a vagina that lies and should be in jail because they hate a successful alpha male"

let me add to your ''successful alpha male'' who lies and doesn't have a vagina.

[Anonymous]

OP, your premise is false. You must have failed a logic class in school. Miserably

[Anonymous]

Hillary was reviled long before she first ran for president.

Not that I think there wouldn't be some backlash if it were any other woman, but this woman in particular has never conformed to the dutiful little wife role and just challenges too many sexist stereotypes.

Unfortunately, she's also made herself a target with the many shady dealings and scandals that surround her, but she'd hardly the first or last corrupt politician (assuming any of it even has merit) so I don't buy that this is really at the root of the hatred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the white male Trump supporters can be largely divided into two groups (with some outliers, it's not a full 100% who fit into one of the two groups) -- those who are basically failing in our current economic system because they can't compete for jobs, and those who have had a good amount of success, are among the economically privileged, and see in Trump someone who will ultimately use the Presidency to do everything he can to maximize his own wealth, which will correlate into an increase in their own. The latter may or may not be sexist, they're just deeply selfish and think everyone else can go screw, even if it means literally dying from poverty. The former are already struggling to compete as their white male privilege lessens, and whether the acknowledge it to themselves or not, they know if they had to compete with women on an equal footing, they'd fail even more because there would simply be that many more people who are better than them. I think they subconsciously are afraid of a female POTUS because it's one more sign of their sinking privilege and how much more they'll struggle when they have to compete fully on their own merits.

I think a lot of white men feel that Hillary is a traditional meritocrat who will nevertheless screw them over in order to portray herself as a progressive liberal. She's done the math and concluded their primary benefit is as a group for her supporters to disdain. It's not that different from what Trump tried to do with Hispanics and Muslims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hillary was reviled long before she first ran for president.

Not that I think there wouldn't be some backlash if it were any other woman, but this woman in particular has never conformed to the dutiful little wife role and just challenges too many sexist stereotypes.

Unfortunately, she's also made herself a target with the many shady dealings and scandals that surround her, but she'd hardly the first or last corrupt politician (assuming any of it even has merit) so I don't buy that this is really at the root of the hatred.

I think this is part it. Remember "Billary" -- I never understood why they coined that phrase -- was it because she was active in the presidency and didn't take on the "traditional" softer role?

[Anonymous]

What about the women who cannot stand Hillary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hillary was reviled long before she first ran for president.

Not that I think there wouldn't be some backlash if it were any other woman, but this woman in particular has never conformed to the dutiful little wife role and just challenges too many sexist stereotypes.

Unfortunately, she's also made herself a target with the many shady dealings and scandals that surround her, but she'd hardly the first or last corrupt politician (assuming any of it even has merit) so I don't buy that this is really at the root of the hatred.

Conforming to the dutiful little wife role when it mattered most is why she's been able to run for president. I want to vote for a woman who gets their on her own merit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the women who cannot stand Hillary?

? But that's not sexism. I assume they can't stand her for a valid reason, like her stance on policies, but they are not against her because she's a woman, per se, I assume (though maybe there are some women still who think a woman shouldn't be POTUS).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hillary was reviled long before she first ran for president.

Not that I think there wouldn't be some backlash if it were any other woman, but this woman in particular has never conformed to the dutiful little wife role and just challenges too many sexist stereotypes.

Unfortunately, she's also made herself a target with the many shady dealings and scandals that surround her, but she'd hardly the first or last corrupt politician (assuming any of it even has merit) so I don't buy that this is really at the root of the hatred.

Conforming to the dutiful little wife role when it mattered most is why she's been able to run for president. I want to vote for a woman who gets their on her own merit.

IDK, I'm not a huge HRC fan, but I think she's very smart. I think she could've gotten where she is w/o her husband in may respects. I heard about her valedictorian speech when she graduated, and what she did took some balls and smarts. Her peers at her college thought she was going to be POTUS at some point.

Could Trump have become rich if his father wasn't and lent him $1mil to invest in NY real estate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hillary was reviled long before she first ran for president.

Not that I think there wouldn't be some backlash if it were any other woman, but this woman in particular has never conformed to the dutiful little wife role and just challenges too many sexist stereotypes.

Unfortunately, she's also made herself a target with the many shady dealings and scandals that surround her, but she'd hardly the first or last corrupt politician (assuming any of it even has merit) so I don't buy that this is really at the root of the hatred.

Conforming to the dutiful little wife role when it mattered most is why she's been able to run for president. I want to vote for a woman who gets their on her own merit.

IDK, I'm not a huge HRC fan, but I think she's very smart. I think she could've gotten where she is w/o her husband in may respects. I heard about her valedictorian speech when she graduated, and what she did took some balls and smarts. Her peers at her college thought she was going to be POTUS at some point.

Could Trump have become rich if his father wasn't and lent him $1mil to invest in NY real estate?

Yes, I remember when Bill Clinton was elected, her classmates and colleagues said they always would have pegged her for the one who would be president.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hillary was reviled long before she first ran for president.

Not that I think there wouldn't be some backlash if it were any other woman, but this woman in particular has never conformed to the dutiful little wife role and just challenges too many sexist stereotypes.

Unfortunately, she's also made herself a target with the many shady dealings and scandals that surround her, but she'd hardly the first or last corrupt politician (assuming any of it even has merit) so I don't buy that this is really at the root of the hatred.

Conforming to the dutiful little wife role when it mattered most is why she's been able to run for president. I want to vote for a woman who gets their on her own merit.

IDK, I'm not a huge HRC fan, but I think she's very smart. I think she could've gotten where she is w/o her husband in may respects. I heard about her valedictorian speech when she graduated, and what she did took some balls and smarts. Her peers at her college thought she was going to be POTUS at some point.

Could Trump have become rich if his father wasn't and lent him $1mil to invest in NY real estate?

Yes, I remember when Bill Clinton was elected, her classmates and colleagues said they always would have pegged her for t he one who would be president.

At the time, the US wasn't ready for a female president, nor a Black one, either. And yet, you look at a country like the UK, which has not only had one of the strongest leader in the 20th century who was a female (Thatcher), but the British empire was at its biggest and best under two queens - Elizabeth and Victoria.

For all of our talk of equality and a liberalized country, it just seems like the US is further behind than a lot of other countries.

[Anonymous]

I agree that it's this particular woman.

I am not a white male (I'm an American-born Asian guy), but I know and have discussed American politics with a lot of friends, colleagues and acquaintances who are like minded Caucasian men. Many of us supported Geraldine Ferraro. As a moderate, I have been supportive of a number of female politicians in the past (from both sides of the aisle): Connie Morella, Barbara Mikulski, Jean Kirkpatrick, Madeleine Albright.

However there are a number of female politicians, I cannot conscientiously support including Hillary Clinton. Another one was Sarah Palin. I notice that there were far fewer cries of sexism or that people were afraid of voting for Sarah Palin because they didn't want a female vice president. Clinton's gender may be historically significant but I believe that it is far less significant as to why people who are not voting for her are voting against her. She carries a huge volume of negative political baggage. Just because her supporters discount the baggage, does not mean that the baggage is a more signficant factor for her detractors than her gender. But apparently because her supporters can cast her political baggage as unimportant, everyone else must and therefore the only real reason anyone would vote against her is her gender.

Your argument is overly simplistic. Yes there are some men who are voting against her because they don't want a woman president, but I think there are far fewer of those than you think. There are probably more white men who are voting against her this year because they have just been through 8 years of a non-white male president and want to come back to a white male president (since that's all we've ever had prior to 2008), but I think the number of people who are actually voting this way is highly overestimated.