Rulemaking on residency fraud: Comment now!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, this is a big deal. DC offers free PK and surrounding counties do not-- that is HUGE incentive to cheat. One of the people profiled in that daily caller is a friend of mine. She (a PG county resident) said honestly that's what everyone she knows in her circle does and they don't (or didn't) consider it to be a big deal. Generations of her family lived or still live in DC and[b] using their addresses is just very common [\b], she told me.

I still don't get how you can just "use another address" without jumping through a lot of hoops (putting bills and cars registered in the other address in your name, for example).

It would take me about 8 seconds to log in and change the address for my pay stubs.

And then of course, all correspondence from school would go to the fake address.

How much correspondence do you get mailed to you? We get almost none- it's all through email and flyers sent home in folders. Everything through the mail is redundant anyhow.

That varies by school. Our charter mails final report cards and PARCC scores.

I know that student schedules at DCPS high schools are mailed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I read through their attachment and it doesn't seem to improve anything.

1) There doesn't seem to be any added incentive for schools to catch cheaters - and no punitive measures taken if they don't.

2) The proof of residency verification is still WAY too light. There should be a requirement of a utility bill and a pay stub and, frankly, a DC license.

Don't have one single utility bill. We have a HOA bill. Does that count? I've had to explain that to somebody before. They couldn't believe it. Cellphone bill doesn't count, no home phone, no cable-too expensive.
Whatever happened to tax returns? I can have my work print any address on it and show it to you, and I know many who drive around with old license from another state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, this is a big deal. DC offers free PK and surrounding counties do not-- that is HUGE incentive to cheat. One of the people profiled in that daily caller is a friend of mine. She (a PG county resident) said honestly that's what everyone she knows in her circle does and they don't (or didn't) consider it to be a big deal. Generations of her family lived or still live in DC and[b] using their addresses is just very common [\b], she told me.

I still don't get how you can just "use another address" without jumping through a lot of hoops (putting bills and cars registered in the other address in your name, for example).

It would take me about 8 seconds to log in and change the address for my pay stubs.

And then of course, all correspondence from school would go to the fake address.

I'm pretty sure the residency cheaters don't give two craps about DCPS fliers sent in the mail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I read through their attachment and it doesn't seem to improve anything.

1) There doesn't seem to be any added incentive for schools to catch cheaters - and no punitive measures taken if they don't.

2) The proof of residency verification is still WAY too light. There should be a requirement of a utility bill and a pay stub and, frankly, a DC license.

Okay, can agree with the utility bill and even other requirements. You are not getting an address on a pay stub from a federal government worker and many private companies. I drive and have a license, but do you have any idea how many people in this city refuse or do not know how to drive, and thus do not own a DL? And with Uber and the red bicycles everywhere, yuck, that number is only growing.

True. But most DCPS parents drive, and a remarkable number seem to drive in from Maryland in their MD-plated cars!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I read through their attachment and it doesn't seem to improve anything.

1) There doesn't seem to be any added incentive for schools to catch cheaters - and no punitive measures taken if they don't.

2) The proof of residency verification is still WAY too light. There should be a requirement of a utility bill and a pay stub and, frankly, a DC license.

Don't have one single utility bill. We have a HOA bill. Does that count? I've had to explain that to somebody before. They couldn't believe it. Cellphone bill doesn't count, no home phone, no cable-too expensive.
Whatever happened to tax returns? I can have my work print any address on it and show it to you, and I know many who drive around with old license from another state.

Well they need to get their licenses updated.

Currently if you can't produce sufficient docs (your HOA situation) you can opt to have the school registrar visit your home and attest that you live there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I read through their attachment and it doesn't seem to improve anything.

1) There doesn't seem to be any added incentive for schools to catch cheaters - and no punitive measures taken if they don't.

2) The proof of residency verification is still WAY too light. There should be a requirement of a utility bill and a pay stub and, frankly, a DC license.

Okay, can agree with the utility bill and even other requirements. You are not getting an address on a pay stub from a federal government worker and many private companies. I drive and have a license, but do you have any idea how many people in this city refuse or do not know how to drive, and thus do not own a DL? And with Uber and the red bicycles everywhere, yuck, that number is only growing.

True. But most DCPS parents drive, and a remarkable number seem to drive in from Maryland in their MD-plated cars!

You can get a DC ID from the DMV, even if you don't drive.

[Anonymous]

DCPS and OSSE should put DMV in charge of school registration. Anyone tried recently to get a DC drivers license? They want a gazillion documents.

[Anonymous]

Can I use my Ward 9 voter registration card?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCPS and OSSE should put DMV in charge of school registration. Anyone tried recently to get a DC drivers license? They want a gazillion documents.

Can you imagine!!!!! It would be such a disaster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCPS and OSSE should put DMV in charge of school registration. Anyone tried recently to get a DC drivers license? They want a gazillion documents.

Can you imagine!!!!! It would be such a disaster.

No. It would be effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS and OSSE should put DMV in charge of school registration. Anyone tried recently to get a DC drivers license? They want a gazillion documents.

Can you imagine!!!!! It would be such a disaster.

No. It would be effective.

Good god, the DMV can barely function as it is. Have you tried to renew a license lately? The different representatives all say different things about what you need and what you need to do. It's a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I read through their attachment and it doesn't seem to improve anything.

1) There doesn't seem to be any added incentive for schools to catch cheaters - and no punitive measures taken if they don't.

2) The proof of residency verification is still WAY too light. There should be a requirement of a utility bill and a pay stub and, frankly, a DC license.

Don't have one single utility bill. We have a HOA bill. Does that count? I've had to explain that to somebody before. They couldn't believe it. Cellphone bill doesn't count, no home phone, no cable-too expensive.
Whatever happened to tax returns? I can have my work print any address on it and show it to you, and I know many who drive around with old license from another state.

Well they need to get their licenses updated.

Currently if you can't produce sufficient docs (your HOA situation) you can opt to have the school registrar visit your home and attest that you live there.

Exactly. Get an updated DC DL or DC ID, or register your kid elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS and OSSE should put DMV in charge of school registration. Anyone tried recently to get a DC drivers license? They want a gazillion documents.

Can you imagine!!!!! It would be such a disaster.

No. It would be effective.

Good god, the DMV can barely function as it is. Have you tried to renew a license lately? The different representatives all say different things about what you need and what you need to do. It's a mess.

Well, you'll just have to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCPS and OSSE should put DMV in charge of school registration. Anyone tried recently to get a DC drivers license? They want a gazillion documents.

Can you imagine!!!!! It would be such a disaster.

No. It would be effective.

Good god, the DMV can barely function as it is. Have you tried to renew a license lately? The different representatives all say different things about what you need and what you need to do. It's a mess.

Well, you'll just have to deal with it.

Agree. Also not DMV's fault.

They have to do a one-time deeper dive / tougher documentation for license renewals b/c of the REAL ID federal requirements. Happening everywhere, not just DC. And the list of acceptable documents, while different than in the past, is clearly laid out on their website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I read through their attachment and it doesn't seem to improve anything.

1) There doesn't seem to be any added incentive for schools to catch cheaters - and no punitive measures taken if they don't.

2) The proof of residency verification is still WAY too light. There should be a requirement of a utility bill and a pay stub and, frankly, a DC license.

Okay, can agree with the utility bill and even other requirements. You are not getting an address on a pay stub from a federal government worker and many private companies. I drive and have a license, but do you have any idea how many people in this city refuse or do not know how to drive, and thus do not own a DL? And with Uber and the red bicycles everywhere, yuck, that number is only growing.

If you are a non-driver working in the federal government, you almost certainly have a tax document with your DC address. If you only just moved to DC, you should be updating your identification anyway and getting your utilities set up. I don't drive, so I have a DC ID card. They exist and are on the list of permitted documents for residency verification. I showed that, and my Pepco bill, and that was plenty for our registrar.