Payne elementary

[Anonymous]

I don't think the housing around the armory is bad. There are a few bad/poorly maintained houses, but that's the exception. I live really close to the armory on a very diverse block with great neighbors (who don't send their kids to Payne).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

I know a few kids IB for LT enrolled in the Cluster (at both Watkins and Peabody); no idea whether the reverse is true.

Regardless, I'm rooting for both schools! And optimistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

And this is important because ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

I know a few kids IB for LT enrolled in the Cluster (at both Watkins and Peabody); no idea whether the reverse is true.

Regardless, I'm rooting for both schools! And optimistic.

I'm optimistic about Payne too, if you can wait to flash forward ten or fifteen years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

I know a few kids IB for LT enrolled in the Cluster (at both Watkins and Peabody); no idea whether the reverse is true.

Regardless, I'm rooting for both schools! And optimistic.

LT parent here and yes, we have several Watkins-zoned families enrolled at LT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

I know a few kids IB for LT enrolled in the Cluster (at both Watkins and Peabody); no idea whether the reverse is true.

Regardless, I'm rooting for both schools! And optimistic.

LT parent here and yes, we have several Watkins-zoned families enrolled at LT.

I'm curious if the Cluster-zoned kids at LT are mostly in the lower grades, i.e., PK3/4? The largest cohort of IB LT kids in the Cluster is now in 2nd -4th grade, I believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

I know a few kids IB for LT enrolled in the Cluster (at both Watkins and Peabody); no idea whether the reverse is true.

Regardless, I'm rooting for both schools! And optimistic.

LT parent here and yes, we have several Watkins-zoned families enrolled at LT.

I'm curious if the Cluster-zoned kids at LT are mostly in the lower grades, i.e., PK3/4? The largest cohort of IB LT kids in the Cluster is now in 2nd -4th grade, I believe.

Yes, this. L-T flipped recently enough that it doesn't surprise me at all that some IB families originally started their kids in the Cluster and were happy enough so kept them there. I can't imagine families doing that now really, except maybe to keep siblings together. (Not that the Cluster is worse in my mind, just that they're comparable, so I don't know why you'd trek to Watkins from the vast majority of the L-T IB area.) In any case, even if the PP should have said "clearly #3 or #4," their point remains that L-T actually has some of the worst IB housing stock (after only Payne), but the rest of the catchment area offsets...

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Because there are low income apartments, and public housing with many units within the Payne catchment

Which buildings are you referring to? I just pulled up the Payne boundary map next to google maps and didn't recognize any big public housing projects. ( http://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Payne.pdf ). Looks like there are a few apartment buildings near Kennedy Row, some near the old Boys and Girls club, and some four-unit buildings by the south entrance to the metro station, but much of the rest looks like row houses from the satellite imagery.

They're thinking of the projects that are actually zoned to Tyler, I assume. Still, unsurprisingly, the housing stock near DC Armory isn't very nice/the residents aren't well off; that should change gradually once DC Armory closes. Although Miner is actually a marginally better school now in my opinion (mostly leadership, I think), Miner got pretty screwed with the rezoning (the new catchment area is WAY less gentrified than most of the existing area) while Payne didn't, so I'd probably bet on Payne long term. Tyler is still the most screwed long-term, because the Potomac Gardens seem to be, if anything, getting worse. But remember that schools with housing projects can do fine, is clearly the #3 elementary school in the Hill now and it has a not-very-nice housing project in its zone plus some other sketchy apartment complexes.

a lot of the PG and Hopkins kids go to Friendship Chamberlain for PK-8. It's like 700+ students and entirely FARM. Payne, Miner, and Tyler range from 1/4-1/3 IB which suggests that they're not simply places of last resort for the nearest public housing. They're likely magnets for public housing outside of Ward 6, as the IB numbers are inflated by IB ECE who may ride out a year or 2 of PK.

PK3 is almost entirely IB at Miner this year and, I believe, entirely IB (as of now, could clearly change) for next year. At any of these schools, the PK3/4 program is totally useable (though I'd still lottery for better local options), the upper grades are an entirely different conversation.

[Anonymous]

PK3 is almost entirely IB at Miner this year and, I believe, entirely IB (as of now, could clearly change) for next year. At any of these schools, the PK3/4 program is totally useable (though I'd still lottery for better local options), the upper grades are an entirely different conversation.

Good luck playing the lottery for "better" local options given that all of the nearby PK3s seem to be full, with waitlists, or nearly full, of IB this year.... Does anyone know if any OOB kids got in to any of the PK3s on the Hill? Maybe a few at Van Ness?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Because there are low income apartments, and public housing with many units within the Payne catchment

Which buildings are you referring to? I just pulled up the Payne boundary map next to google maps and didn't recognize any big public housing projects. ( http://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Payne.pdf ). Looks like there are a few apartment buildings near Kennedy Row, some near the old Boys and Girls club, and some four-unit buildings by the south entrance to the metro station, but much of the rest looks like row houses from the satellite imagery.

They're thinking of the projects that are actually zoned to Tyler, I assume. Still, unsurprisingly, the housing stock near DC Armory isn't very nice/the residents aren't well off; that should change gradually once DC Armory closes. Although Miner is actually a marginally better school now in my opinion (mostly leadership, I think), Miner got pretty screwed with the rezoning (the new catchment area is WAY less gentrified than most of the existing area) while Payne didn't, so I'd probably bet on Payne long term. Tyler is still the most screwed long-term, because the Potomac Gardens seem to be, if anything, getting worse. But remember that schools with housing projects can do fine, is clearly the #3 elementary school in the Hill now and it has a not-very-nice housing project in its zone plus some other sketchy apartment complexes.

a lot of the PG and Hopkins kids go to Friendship Chamberlain for PK-8. It's like 700+ students and entirely FARM. Payne, Miner, and Tyler range from 1/4-1/3 IB which suggests that they're not simply places of last resort for the nearest public housing. They're likely magnets for public housing outside of Ward 6, as the IB numbers are inflated by IB ECE who may ride out a year or 2 of PK.

PK3 is almost entirely IB at Miner this year and, I believe, entirely IB (as of now, could clearly change) for next year. At any of these schools, the PK3/4 program is totally useable (though I'd still lottery for better local options), the upper grades are an entirely different conversation.

right, and the question becomes -- who's enrolled for K-5 at Miner, Payne and Tyler if the low IB numbers are even lower if you exclude ECE? Tyler OOB numbers are probably boosted by SI, but what's the OOB attraction to Miner and Payne for K-5 if it's not IB? Payne has some DC General kids but not enough to account for those numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Should say "LT is clearly the #3..."

I would argue that the Cluster "clearly" is....

It's a toss up.

-IB for the Cluster

I know a few kids IB for LT enrolled in the Cluster (at both Watkins and Peabody); no idea whether the reverse is true.

Regardless, I'm rooting for both schools! And optimistic.

LT parent here and yes, we have several Watkins-zoned families enrolled at LT.

I'm curious if the Cluster-zoned kids at LT are mostly in the lower grades, i.e., PK3/4? The largest cohort of IB LT kids in the Cluster is now in 2nd -4th grade, I believe.

Yes, this. L-T flipped recently enough that it doesn't surprise me at all that some IB families originally started their kids in the Cluster and were happy enough so kept them there. I can't imagine families doing that now really, except maybe to keep siblings together. (Not that the Cluster is worse in my mind, just that they're comparable, so I don't know why you'd trek to Watkins from the vast majority of the L-T IB area.) In any case, even if the PP should have said "clearly #3 or #4," their point remains that L-T actually has some of the worst IB housing stock (after only Payne), but the rest of the catchment area offsets...

Not sure if you're the same PP who used the word catchment talking about public housing in Payne's boundary above, but I'd think Tyler draws a short straw with Potomac Gardens and Hopkins Apts. Others chimes in that there aren't large public housing buildings in Payne's Boundary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. Because there are low income apartments, and public housing with many units within the Payne catchment

Which buildings are you referring to? I just pulled up the Payne boundary map next to google maps and didn't recognize any big public housing projects. ( http://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/publication/attachments/Payne.pdf ). Looks like there are a few apartment buildings near Kennedy Row, some near the old Boys and Girls club, and some four-unit buildings by the south entrance to the metro station, but much of the rest looks like row houses from the satellite imagery.

They're thinking of the projects that are actually zoned to Tyler, I assume. Still, unsurprisingly, the housing stock near DC Armory isn't very nice/the residents aren't well off; that should change gradually once DC Armory closes. Although Miner is actually a marginally better school now in my opinion (mostly leadership, I think), Miner got pretty screwed with the rezoning (the new catchment area is WAY less gentrified than most of the existing area) while Payne didn't, so I'd probably bet on Payne long term. Tyler is still the most screwed long-term, because the Potomac Gardens seem to be, if anything, getting worse. But remember that schools with housing projects can do fine, is clearly the #3 elementary school in the Hill now and it has a not-very-nice housing project in its zone plus some other sketchy apartment complexes.

a lot of the PG and Hopkins kids go to Friendship Chamberlain for PK-8. It's like 700+ students and entirely FARM. Payne, Miner, and Tyler range from 1/4-1/3 IB which suggests that they're not simply places of last resort for the nearest public housing. They're likely magnets for public housing outside of Ward 6, as the IB numbers are inflated by IB ECE who may ride out a year or 2 of PK.

PK3 is almost entirely IB at Miner this year and, I believe, entirely IB (as of now, could clearly change) for next year. At any of these schools, the PK3/4 program is totally useable (though I'd still lottery for better local options), the upper grades are an entirely different conversation.

Have you heard whether Miner has an IB waitlist for PK3 for next year? I was surprised (pleasantly in ways, but I feel for the families) to hear Payne's PK3 IB waitlist went 15 or so deep (right after the lottery, maybe shorter now). Also interested if anyone knows the situation for Tyler (non-SI). If all these schools are mostly IB for PK3, we are in a very different time on the hill than what some that have been here longer faced turning Brent. There's obviously a lot involved to flip a school, but having so few OOB slots is new in the past 1-2 years.

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PK3 is almost entirely IB at Miner this year and, I believe, entirely IB (as of now, could clearly change) for next year. At any of these schools, the PK3/4 program is totally useable (though I'd still lottery for better local options), the upper grades are an entirely different conversation.

Good luck playing the lottery for "better" local options given that all of the nearby PK3s seem to be full, with waitlists, or nearly full, of IB this year.... Does anyone know if any OOB kids got in to any of the PK3s on the Hill? Maybe a few at Van Ness?

Seems like Van Ness would be a possibility because they have to take all the IB and that might leave them with half a class they need to top up.