How to deal with a teacher who doesn't want to deal with parents

[Anonymous]

You say she seems to be effective, she provides a weekly newsletter, your DD is happy and learning, and you have no specific concerns. Leave it alone and respect the teacher's desire not yo have "helpful" parents waltzing in and out of the classroom or eating up her time before or after school.

[Anonymous]

OP, I must know: are you enthralled with your own children? Do you think your child has unique talents and abilities that must be made known, most especially to the teacher? Must wondering because my sister is this way with her five(!) children and volunteers in the classroom to get the inside scoop on each child, has teachers babysit her children, earnestly tries to become friends with every teacher.

Private school in my sisters case, so maybe this is more common, but still, back off OP.

[Anonymous]

Are weekly newsletters a regular thing? No shade, but when on earth do teachers have time to write those?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are weekly newsletters a regular thing? No shade, but when on earth do teachers have time to write those?

Formatted on computer. Takes about five minutes to change date and add lists of activities /comments and upcoming events. Sent via email.

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Anonymous wrote:Are weekly newsletters a regular thing? No shade, but when on earth do teachers have time to write those?

Formatted on computer. Takes about five minutes to change date and add lists of activities /comments and upcoming events. Sent via email.

-1 Newletters do NOT take 5 minutes.

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14:40 again. Just to give you some perspective, most developed countries have that kind of stay-out mentality. Teaching is left to the professionals, and parents are not welcome in schools, to interfere, distract or even be asked to grade assignments, which is a huge breach of privacy.

As you know, the US is way behind a lot of countries, developed and otherwise, in international high school achievement tests. Looking at the big picture, keeping parents out of schools doesn't hurt.

Good point. OP, when your child is being examined by a doctor, do you feel the need/right to ask the doctor the methods and rationale for his/her approach/procedures and the order of events in the treatment? I'm guessing you probably have confidence in the doctor's expertise, and you understand that the doctor's time is valuable, so he/she is not expected to give you a detailed play-by-play.

At first blush I thought this was ironic. Then I realized you were serious. If I questioned or didn't understand the course of treatment you are damn right I insert myself and ask questions. And if you don't then, respectfully, you aren't doing your job as a parent. The amount of commentary on the importance of managing and owning your own healthcare is staggering.

P.S. You should be an active participant in your own healthcare as well.

You don't understand the point I was attempting to make.

Yes, of course I ask questions if I don't understand the course of treatment. However, I don't expect the doctor to give me a play-by-play on a routine appointment, and I don't need to know what time the doctor is going to process or send off blood work after I leave, or what kind of instruments are in the cabinets, or what brand of cotton swab is being used, etc. My point is that people generally respect the time of other professionals, and they respect the professional's training and expertise, yet for some reason these same people expect teachers to devote much more time to chatter and communication about things that aren't essential and only detract from the time the teacher would otherwise spend planning/teaching. Classroom daily schedules (center times, carpet times, recess times, etc.) are NOT equivalent to a complicated medical treatment that would warrant intense and time consuming communication. They are more the equivalent of listening to a kid's heart during a routine check-up. It enrages me when people treat teachers as domestic staff rather than professionals.

Oh, and if someone else was taking up my doctor's time by asking inane questions about when exactly during a typical routine treatment he would listen to a kid's heart, and why the doctor had photographs of an owl on the wall, and when the doctor planned to update the window treatments in the office, I would hope that the doctor would "discourage communication" with that individual so that time could be spent on doing the things the doctor is trained to do.

I'm a professional. My time is very valuable. I am very, very senior and own a huge P&L (size matters sometimes). And I think my time is valuable. And the people who work for me's time is valuable. And people ask me and my team inane questions all day because we have an expertise they do not and we are relied on to treat them all professionally and respectfully and find ways to make them and their queries feel valuable and relevant. Sometimes I have to push them off for a while but I've never said or heard said about my profession what you assert is true about teachers. And anyone who operated in my org with the attitude espoused above would be counseled to change, and terminated if they couldn't adapt. It amazes me that teachers (and their little parrot supporters) seem to think that they are the only people who get treated like that.

P.S. You picked a bad analogy to make your point. While I respect that you doubled down, you set yourself up for failure with that choice.

No, I didn't pick a bad analogy. You don't understand because you don't respect teachers or what they do; nothing would convince you that what you want from this teacher is not only detrimental to the students (because she should be spending time planning, not answering inane questions about when "center time" is held, or making you feel good about your time-wasting attempts to "help" her). YOU have "set YOURSELF up for failure" with your choice to plow ahead in your disrespectful behavior in the classroom, and you are setting your child up for failure because you are the kind of parent the teacher avoid; the teacher will also avoid stretching your child if there is a chance the child won't like it, and it will bring crazed, huffing, oh-so-important Mama Bear into her classroom. I feel so sorry for your children's teachers.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When I went to school -- before e-mail and mobile phones -- communications with the teacher were more limited. There was no expectation that a teacher should be responsible for responding to any and all parent inquiries, big and small, in a quality manner...within 24 hours or less of receipt. That would have been considered crazy, weird. And yet, there is a group of parents who seem to believe this is a reasonable expectation now, merely because technology makes this level of hyper communication possible.

Give your teacher a break. Especially this early in the school year. First grade is what, about 24 students? That's a lot of time wasted providing reassurance to parents that could have been spent on actual work for your children.

In our board, teachers are absolutely prohibited from corresponding to parents via email. Parents are not given the email address of their child's teacher either.

Obviously not DCPS since anyone can get a teacher's email address by putting the first [e-mail]

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14:40 again. Just to give you some perspective, most developed countries have that kind of stay-out mentality. Teaching is left to the professionals, and parents are not welcome in schools, to interfere, distract or even be asked to grade assignments, which is a huge breach of privacy.

As you know, the US is way behind a lot of countries, developed and otherwise, in international high school achievement tests. Looking at the big picture, keeping parents out of schools doesn't hurt.

Good point. OP, when your child is being examined by a doctor, do you feel the need/right to ask the doctor the methods and rationale for his/her approach/procedures and the order of events in the treatment? I'm guessing you probably have confidence in the doctor's expertise, and you understand that the doctor's time is valuable, so he/she is not expected to give you a detailed play-by-play.

At first blush I thought this was ironic. Then I realized you were serious. If I questioned or didn't understand the course of treatment you are damn right I insert myself and ask questions. And if you don't then, respectfully, you aren't doing your job as a parent. The amount of commentary on the importance of managing and owning your own healthcare is staggering.

P.S. You should be an active participant in your own healthcare as well.

You don't understand the point I was attempting to make.

Yes, of course I ask questions if I don't understand the course of treatment. However, I don't expect the doctor to give me a play-by-play on a routine appointment, and I don't need to know what time the doctor is going to process or send off blood work after I leave, or what kind of instruments are in the cabinets, or what brand of cotton swab is being used, etc. My point is that people generally respect the time of other professionals, and they respect the professional's training and expertise, yet for some reason these same people expect teachers to devote much more time to chatter and communication about things that aren't essential and only detract from the time the teacher would otherwise spend planning/teaching. Classroom daily schedules (center times, carpet times, recess times, etc.) are NOT equivalent to a complicated medical treatment that would warrant intense and time consuming communication. They are more the equivalent of listening to a kid's heart during a routine check-up. It enrages me when people treat teachers as domestic staff rather than professionals.

Oh, and if someone else was taking up my doctor's time by asking inane questions about when exactly during a typical routine treatment he would listen to a kid's heart, and why the doctor had photographs of an owl on the wall, and when the doctor planned to update the window treatments in the office, I would hope that the doctor would "discourage communication" with that individual so that time could be spent on doing the things the doctor is trained to do.

I'm a professional. My time is very valuable. I am very, very senior and own a huge P&L (size matters sometimes). And I think my time is valuable. And the people who work for me's time is valuable. And people ask me and my team inane questions all day because we have an expertise they do not and we are relied on to treat them all professionally and respectfully and find ways to make them and their queries feel valuable and relevant. Sometimes I have to push them off for a while but I've never said or heard said about my profession what you assert is true about teachers. And anyone who operated in my org with the attitude espoused above would be counseled to change, and terminated if they couldn't adapt. It amazes me that teachers (and their little parrot supporters) seem to think that they are the only people who get treated like that.

P.S. You picked a bad analogy to make your point. While I respect that you doubled down, you set yourself up for failure with that choice.

No, I didn't pick a bad analogy. You don't understand because you don't respect teachers or what they do; nothing would convince you that what you want from this teacher is not only detrimental to the students (because she should be spending time planning, not answering inane questions about when "center time" is held, or making you feel good about your time-wasting attempts to "help" her). YOU have "set YOURSELF up for failure" with your choice to plow ahead in your disrespectful behavior in the classroom, and you are setting your child up for failure because you are the kind of parent the teacher avoid; the teacher will also avoid stretching your child if there is a chance the child won't like it, and it will bring crazed, huffing, oh-so-important Mama Bear into her classroom. I feel so sorry for your children's teachers.

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So in your world teachers are amazing professionals...but not professional enough to avoid punishing kids for their parents' "failures"? I feel sorry for the bulk of great, dedicated, professional teachers who are burdened by "spokespeople" like you who embarrass their profession and make them seem like petty little children with every post like this. Just so we're clear, I'm arguing that teachers are no less professional and capable of managing demanding customers (and make no mistake, when kids are minors and their parents pay the bills, the parents are the customers) than any other professional and that it isn't unreasonable to expect them to engage people at all levels and types and still perform successfully. You and your little friends are arguing that teachers can't handle the same demands that many professionals (or anyone else with a job, really) can handle and that they need to be treated like sensitive children else they will take out their frustration or incompetence or lack of professionalism on minors.

Tell me again which one of us has more respect for the teaching profession?

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14:40 again. Just to give you some perspective, most developed countries have that kind of stay-out mentality. Teaching is left to the professionals, and parents are not welcome in schools, to interfere, distract or even be asked to grade assignments, which is a huge breach of privacy.

As you know, the US is way behind a lot of countries, developed and otherwise, in international high school achievement tests. Looking at the big picture, keeping parents out of schools doesn't hurt.

Good point. OP, when your child is being examined by a doctor, do you feel the need/right to ask the doctor the methods and rationale for his/her approach/procedures and the order of events in the treatment? I'm guessing you probably have confidence in the doctor's expertise, and you understand that the doctor's time is valuable, so he/she is not expected to give you a detailed play-by-play.

At first blush I thought this was ironic. Then I realized you were serious. If I questioned or didn't understand the course of treatment you are damn right I insert myself and ask questions. And if you don't then, respectfully, you aren't doing your job as a parent. The amount of commentary on the importance of managing and owning your own healthcare is staggering.

P.S. You should be an active participant in your own healthcare as well.

You don't understand the point I was attempting to make.

Yes, of course I ask questions if I don't understand the course of treatment. However, I don't expect the doctor to give me a play-by-play on a routine appointment, and I don't need to know what time the doctor is going to process or send off blood work after I leave, or what kind of instruments are in the cabinets, or what brand of cotton swab is being used, etc. My point is that people generally respect the time of other professionals, and they respect the professional's training and expertise, yet for some reason these same people expect teachers to devote much more time to chatter and communication about things that aren't essential and only detract from the time the teacher would otherwise spend planning/teaching. Classroom daily schedules (center times, carpet times, recess times, etc.) are NOT equivalent to a complicated medical treatment that would warrant intense and time consuming communication. They are more the equivalent of listening to a kid's heart during a routine check-up. It enrages me when people treat teachers as domestic staff rather than professionals.

Oh, and if someone else was taking up my doctor's time by asking inane questions about when exactly during a typical routine treatment he would listen to a kid's heart, and why the doctor had photographs of an owl on the wall, and when the doctor planned to update the window treatments in the office, I would hope that the doctor would "discourage communication" with that individual so that time could be spent on doing the things the doctor is trained to do.

I'm a professional. My time is very valuable. I am very, very senior and own a huge P&L (size matters sometimes). And I think my time is valuable. And the people who work for me's time is valuable. And people ask me and my team inane questions all day because we have an expertise they do not and we are relied on to treat them all professionally and respectfully and find ways to make them and their queries feel valuable and relevant. Sometimes I have to push them off for a while but I've never said or heard said about my profession what you assert is true about teachers. And anyone who operated in my org with the attitude espoused above would be counseled to change, and terminated if they couldn't adapt. It amazes me that teachers (and their little parrot supporters) seem to think that they are the only people who get treated like that.

P.S. You picked a bad analogy to make your point. While I respect that you doubled down, you set yourself up for failure with that choice.

No, I didn't pick a bad analogy. You don't understand because you don't respect teachers or what they do; nothing would convince you that what you want from this teacher is not only detrimental to the students (because she should be spending time planning, not answering inane questions about when "center time" is held, or making you feel good about your time-wasting attempts to "help" her). YOU have "set YOURSELF up for failure" with your choice to plow ahead in your disrespectful behavior in the classroom, and you are setting your child up for failure because you are the kind of parent the teacher avoid; the teacher will also avoid stretching your child if there is a chance the child won't like it, and it will bring crazed, huffing, oh-so-important Mama Bear into her classroom. I feel so sorry for your children's teachers.

+1

So in your world teachers are amazing professionals...but not professional enough to avoid punishing kids for their parents' "failures"? I feel sorry for the bulk of great, dedicated, professional teachers who are burdened by "spokespeople" like you who embarrass their profession and make them seem like petty little children with every post like this. Just so we're clear, I'm arguing that teachers are no less professional and capable of managing demanding customers (and make no mistake, when kids are minors and their parents pay the bills, the parents are the customers) than any other professional and that it isn't unreasonable to expect them to engage people at all levels and types and still perform successfully. You and your little friends are arguing that teachers can't handle the same demands that many professionals (or anyone else with a job, really) can handle and that they need to be treated like sensitive children else they will take out their frustration or incompetence or lack of professionalism on minors.

Tell me again which one of us has more respect for the teaching profession?

Let it go. You are digging yourself in deeper. THIS is why the teacher doesn't want to be bothered with you. There is your answer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's an integral part of the job. If she persists, jump straight to the principal's office. Knowing about your DC's education is a top part of your job as parent.

It is NOT part of the job to cater to overbearing parents. Some people take it too far. Her degree is in education not PR.

And the partners at law firms jobs used to be to sit in their corner office and act like clients were lucky to have them and opine in esoteric terms and never have anyone question them. Then technology, cost structures and expectations changed. Partners in law firms are now in a client and customer service business. The ones who didn't adapt were left out in the cold. Of course, in a law firm a partner can be deequitized and let go for failure to perform. In DCPS we have tenure so the old school teachers can afford to take the approach you suggest. Same can be said for a ton of different professions that have all had to adapt and embrace customer service or perish. There's almost no job left where simply isitting in a corner and doing just a small piece of a job leads to success or growth or advancement.

Every poster on this board who wonders why charters have succeeded or are necessary or what people mean when they say they aren't saddled by DCPS and teacher union limitations needs to look at PP's attitude and realize this is what has held DCPS back.

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14:40 again. Just to give you some perspective, most developed countries have that kind of stay-out mentality. Teaching is left to the professionals, and parents are not welcome in schools, to interfere, distract or even be asked to grade assignments, which is a huge breach of privacy.

As you know, the US is way behind a lot of countries, developed and otherwise, in international high school achievement tests. Looking at the big picture, keeping parents out of schools doesn't hurt.

Good point. OP, when your child is being examined by a doctor, do you feel the need/right to ask the doctor the methods and rationale for his/her approach/procedures and the order of events in the treatment? I'm guessing you probably have confidence in the doctor's expertise, and you understand that the doctor's time is valuable, so he/she is not expected to give you a detailed play-by-play.

At first blush I thought this was ironic. Then I realized you were serious. If I questioned or didn't understand the course of treatment you are damn right I insert myself and ask questions. And if you don't then, respectfully, you aren't doing your job as a parent. The amount of commentary on the importance of managing and owning your own healthcare is staggering.

P.S. You should be an active participant in your own healthcare as well.

You don't understand the point I was attempting to make.

Yes, of course I ask questions if I don't understand the course of treatment. However, I don't expect the doctor to give me a play-by-play on a routine appointment, and I don't need to know what time the doctor is going to process or send off blood work after I leave, or what kind of instruments are in the cabinets, or what brand of cotton swab is being used, etc. My point is that people generally respect the time of other professionals, and they respect the professional's training and expertise, yet for some reason these same people expect teachers to devote much more time to chatter and communication about things that aren't essential and only detract from the time the teacher would otherwise spend planning/teaching. Classroom daily schedules (center times, carpet times, recess times, etc.) are NOT equivalent to a complicated medical treatment that would warrant intense and time consuming communication. They are more the equivalent of listening to a kid's heart during a routine check-up. It enrages me when people treat teachers as domestic staff rather than professionals.

Oh, and if someone else was taking up my doctor's time by asking inane questions about when exactly during a typical routine treatment he would listen to a kid's heart, and why the doctor had photographs of an owl on the wall, and when the doctor planned to update the window treatments in the office, I would hope that the doctor would "discourage communication" with that individual so that time could be spent on doing the things the doctor is trained to do.

I'm a professional. My time is very valuable. I am very, very senior and own a huge P&L (size matters sometimes). And I think my time is valuable. And the people who work for me's time is valuable. And people ask me and my team inane questions all day because we have an expertise they do not and we are relied on to treat them all professionally and respectfully and find ways to make them and their queries feel valuable and relevant. Sometimes I have to push them off for a while but I've never said or heard said about my profession what you assert is true about teachers. And anyone who operated in my org with the attitude espoused above would be counseled to change, and terminated if they couldn't adapt. It amazes me that teachers (and their little parrot supporters) seem to think that they are the only people who get treated like that.

P.S. You picked a bad analogy to make your point. While I respect that you doubled down, you set yourself up for failure with that choice.

No, I didn't pick a bad analogy. You don't understand because you don't respect teachers or what they do; nothing would convince you that what you want from this teacher is not only detrimental to the students (because she should be spending time planning, not answering inane questions about when "center time" is held, or making you feel good about your time-wasting attempts to "help" her). YOU have "set YOURSELF up for failure" with your choice to plow ahead in your disrespectful behavior in the classroom, and you are setting your child up for failure because you are the kind of parent the teacher avoid; the teacher will also avoid stretching your child if there is a chance the child won't like it, and it will bring crazed, huffing, oh-so-important Mama Bear into her classroom. I feel so sorry for your children's teachers.

+1

So in your world teachers are amazing professionals...but not professional enough to avoid punishing kids for their parents' "failures"? I feel sorry for the bulk of great, dedicated, professional teachers who are burdened by "spokespeople" like you who embarrass their profession and make them seem like petty little children with every post like this. Just so we're clear, I'm arguing that teachers are no less professional and capable of managing demanding customers (and make no mistake, when kids are minors and their parents pay the bills, the parents are the customers) than any other professional and that it isn't unreasonable to expect them to engage people at all levels and types and still perform successfully. You and your little friends are arguing that teachers can't handle the same demands that many professionals (or anyone else with a job, really) can handle and that they need to be treated like sensitive children else they will take out their frustration or incompetence or lack of professionalism on minors.

Tell me again which one of us has more respect for the teaching profession?

Let it go. You are digging yourself in deeper. THIS is why the teacher doesn't want to be bothered with you. There is your answer.

That's a cheap and obvious exit you made out the back door, my dear. Tell me why you don't give teachers the same level of respect and expect them to perform as all other professionals must? I do; why don't you.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an integral part of the job. If she persists, jump straight to the principal's office. Knowing about your DC's education is a top part of your job as parent.

It is NOT part of the job to cater to overbearing parents. Some people take it too far. Her degree is in education not PR.

And the partners at law firms jobs used to be to sit in their corner office and act like clients were lucky to have them and opine in esoteric terms and never have anyone question them. Then technology, cost structures and expectations changed. Partners in law firms are now in a client and customer service business. The ones who didn't adapt were left out in the cold. Of course, in a law firm a partner can be deequitized and let go for failure to perform. In DCPS we have tenure so the old school teachers can afford to take the approach you suggest. Same can be said for a ton of different professions that have all had to adapt and embrace customer service or perish. There's almost no job left where simply isitting in a corner and doing just a small piece of a job leads to success or growth or advancement.

Every poster on this board who wonders why charters have succeeded or are necessary or what people mean when they say they aren't saddled by DCPS and teacher union limitations needs to look at PP's attitude and realize this is what has held DCPS back.

Prove that charters have succeeded. Also ever think about the high turn over rate at charters? Ever wonder why? Burn out. If an educator wants a customer service job there are plenty out there. They want to educate children (not adults!) so please step off!

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14:40 again. Just to give you some perspective, most developed countries have that kind of stay-out mentality. Teaching is left to the professionals, and parents are not welcome in schools, to interfere, distract or even be asked to grade assignments, which is a huge breach of privacy.

As you know, the US is way behind a lot of countries, developed and otherwise, in international high school achievement tests. Looking at the big picture, keeping parents out of schools doesn't hurt.

Good point. OP, when your child is being examined by a doctor, do you feel the need/right to ask the doctor the methods and rationale for his/her approach/procedures and the order of events in the treatment? I'm guessing you probably have confidence in the doctor's expertise, and you understand that the doctor's time is valuable, so he/she is not expected to give you a detailed play-by-play.

At first blush I thought this was ironic. Then I realized you were serious. If I questioned or didn't understand the course of treatment you are damn right I insert myself and ask questions. And if you don't then, respectfully, you aren't doing your job as a parent. The amount of commentary on the importance of managing and owning your own healthcare is staggering.

P.S. You should be an active participant in your own healthcare as well.

You don't understand the point I was attempting to make.

Yes, of course I ask questions if I don't understand the course of treatment. However, I don't expect the doctor to give me a play-by-play on a routine appointment, and I don't need to know what time the doctor is going to process or send off blood work after I leave, or what kind of instruments are in the cabinets, or what brand of cotton swab is being used, etc. My point is that people generally respect the time of other professionals, and they respect the professional's training and expertise, yet for some reason these same people expect teachers to devote much more time to chatter and communication about things that aren't essential and only detract from the time the teacher would otherwise spend planning/teaching. Classroom daily schedules (center times, carpet times, recess times, etc.) are NOT equivalent to a complicated medical treatment that would warrant intense and time consuming communication. They are more the equivalent of listening to a kid's heart during a routine check-up. It enrages me when people treat teachers as domestic staff rather than professionals.

Oh, and if someone else was taking up my doctor's time by asking inane questions about when exactly during a typical routine treatment he would listen to a kid's heart, and why the doctor had photographs of an owl on the wall, and when the doctor planned to update the window treatments in the office, I would hope that the doctor would "discourage communication" with that individual so that time could be spent on doing the things the doctor is trained to do.

I'm a professional. My time is very valuable. I am very, very senior and own a huge P&L (size matters sometimes). And I think my time is valuable. And the people who work for me's time is valuable. And people ask me and my team inane questions all day because we have an expertise they do not and we are relied on to treat them all professionally and respectfully and find ways to make them and their queries feel valuable and relevant. Sometimes I have to push them off for a while but I've never said or heard said about my profession what you assert is true about teachers. And anyone who operated in my org with the attitude espoused above would be counseled to change, and terminated if they couldn't adapt. It amazes me that teachers (and their little parrot supporters) seem to think that they are the only people who get treated like that.

P.S. You picked a bad analogy to make your point. While I respect that you doubled down, you set yourself up for failure with that choice.

No, I didn't pick a bad analogy. You don't understand because you don't respect teachers or what they do; nothing would convince you that what you want from this teacher is not only detrimental to the students (because she should be spending time planning, not answering inane questions about when "center time" is held, or making you feel good about your time-wasting attempts to "help" her). YOU have "set YOURSELF up for failure" with your choice to plow ahead in your disrespectful behavior in the classroom, and you are setting your child up for failure because you are the kind of parent the teacher avoid; the teacher will also avoid stretching your child if there is a chance the child won't like it, and it will bring crazed, huffing, oh-so-important Mama Bear into her classroom. I feel so sorry for your children's teachers.

+1

So in your world teachers are amazing professionals...but not professional enough to avoid punishing kids for their parents' "failures"? I feel sorry for the bulk of great, dedicated, professional teachers who are burdened by "spokespeople" like you who embarrass their profession and make them seem like petty little children with every post like this. Just so we're clear, I'm arguing that teachers are no less professional and capable of managing demanding customers (and make no mistake, when kids are minors and their parents pay the bills, the parents are the customers) than any other professional and that it isn't unreasonable to expect them to engage people at all levels and types and still perform successfully. You and your little friends are arguing that teachers can't handle the same demands that many professionals (or anyone else with a job, really) can handle and that they need to be treated like sensitive children else they will take out their frustration or incompetence or lack of professionalism on minors.

Tell me again which one of us has more respect for the teaching profession?

Let it go. You are digging yourself in deeper. THIS is why the teacher doesn't want to be bothered with you. There is your answer.

That's a cheap and obvious exit you made out the back door, my dear. Tell me why you don't give teachers the same level of respect and expect them to perform as all other professionals must? I do; why don't you.

You can't see the forest for the trees. Self-awareness would do you good. Go out and enjoy the beautiful weather today. I know I am on my way to nice street festival. Come join us!

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Anonymous wrote:It's an integral part of the job. If she persists, jump straight to the principal's office. Knowing about your DC's education is a top part of your job as parent.

It is NOT part of the job to cater to overbearing parents. Some people take it too far. Her degree is in education not PR.

And the partners at law firms jobs used to be to sit in their corner office and act like clients were lucky to have them and opine in esoteric terms and never have anyone question them. Then technology, cost structures and expectations changed. Partners in law firms are now in a client and customer service business. The ones who didn't adapt were left out in the cold. Of course, in a law firm a partner can be deequitized and let go for failure to perform. In DCPS we have tenure so the old school teachers can afford to take the approach you suggest. Same can be said for a ton of different professions that have all had to adapt and embrace customer service or perish. There's almost no job left where simply isitting in a corner and doing just a small piece of a job leads to success or growth or advancement.

Every poster on this board who wonders why charters have succeeded or are necessary or what people mean when they say they aren't saddled by DCPS and teacher union limitations needs to look at PP's attitude and realize this is what has held DCPS back.

What planet are you on? Where are you? In Iowa? LOL

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14:40 again. Just to give you some perspective, most developed countries have that kind of stay-out mentality. Teaching is left to the professionals, and parents are not welcome in schools, to interfere, distract or even be asked to grade assignments, which is a huge breach of privacy.

As you know, the US is way behind a lot of countries, developed and otherwise, in international high school achievement tests. Looking at the big picture, keeping parents out of schools doesn't hurt.

Good point. OP, when your child is being examined by a doctor, do you feel the need/right to ask the doctor the methods and rationale for his/her approach/procedures and the order of events in the treatment? I'm guessing you probably have confidence in the doctor's expertise, and you understand that the doctor's time is valuable, so he/she is not expected to give you a detailed play-by-play.

At first blush I thought this was ironic. Then I realized you were serious. If I questioned or didn't understand the course of treatment you are damn right I insert myself and ask questions. And if you don't then, respectfully, you aren't doing your job as a parent. The amount of commentary on the importance of managing and owning your own healthcare is staggering.

P.S. You should be an active participant in your own healthcare as well.

You don't understand the point I was attempting to make.

Yes, of course I ask questions if I don't understand the course of treatment. However, I don't expect the doctor to give me a play-by-play on a routine appointment, and I don't need to know what time the doctor is going to process or send off blood work after I leave, or what kind of instruments are in the cabinets, or what brand of cotton swab is being used, etc. My point is that people generally respect the time of other professionals, and they respect the professional's training and expertise, yet for some reason these same people expect teachers to devote much more time to chatter and communication about things that aren't essential and only detract from the time the teacher would otherwise spend planning/teaching. Classroom daily schedules (center times, carpet times, recess times, etc.) are NOT equivalent to a complicated medical treatment that would warrant intense and time consuming communication. They are more the equivalent of listening to a kid's heart during a routine check-up. It enrages me when people treat teachers as domestic staff rather than professionals.

Oh, and if someone else was taking up my doctor's time by asking inane questions about when exactly during a typical routine treatment he would listen to a kid's heart, and why the doctor had photographs of an owl on the wall, and when the doctor planned to update the window treatments in the office, I would hope that the doctor would "discourage communication" with that individual so that time could be spent on doing the things the doctor is trained to do.

I'm a professional. My time is very valuable. I am very, very senior and own a huge P&L (size matters sometimes). And I think my time is valuable. And the people who work for me's time is valuable. And people ask me and my team inane questions all day because we have an expertise they do not and we are relied on to treat them all professionally and respectfully and find ways to make them and their queries feel valuable and relevant. Sometimes I have to push them off for a while but I've never said or heard said about my profession what you assert is true about teachers. And anyone who operated in my org with the attitude espoused above would be counseled to change, and terminated if they couldn't adapt. It amazes me that teachers (and their little parrot supporters) seem to think that they are the only people who get treated like that.

P.S. You picked a bad analogy to make your point. While I respect that you doubled down, you set yourself up for failure with that choice.

No, I didn't pick a bad analogy. You don't understand because you don't respect teachers or what they do; nothing would convince you that what you want from this teacher is not only detrimental to the students (because she should be spending time planning, not answering inane questions about when "center time" is held, or making you feel good about your time-wasting attempts to "help" her). YOU have "set YOURSELF up for failure" with your choice to plow ahead in your disrespectful behavior in the classroom, and you are setting your child up for failure because you are the kind of parent the teacher avoid; the teacher will also avoid stretching your child if there is a chance the child won't like it, and it will bring crazed, huffing, oh-so-important Mama Bear into her classroom. I feel so sorry for your children's teachers.

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So in your world teachers are amazing professionals...but not professional enough to avoid punishing kids for their parents' "failures"? I feel sorry for the bulk of great, dedicated, professional teachers who are burdened by "spokespeople" like you who embarrass their profession and make them seem like petty little children with every post like this. Just so we're clear, I'm arguing that teachers are no less professional and capable of managing demanding customers (and make no mistake, when kids are minors and their parents pay the bills, the parents are the customers) than any other professional and that it isn't unreasonable to expect them to engage people at all levels and types and still perform successfully. You and your little friends are arguing that teachers can't handle the same demands that many professionals (or anyone else with a job, really) can handle and that they need to be treated like sensitive children else they will take out their frustration or incompetence or lack of professionalism on minors.

Tell me again which one of us has more respect for the teaching profession?

Let it go. You are digging yourself in deeper. THIS is why the teacher doesn't want to be bothered with you. There is your answer.

That's a cheap and obvious exit you made out the back door, my dear. Tell me why you don't give teachers the same level of respect and expect them to perform as all other professionals must? I do; why don't you.

You can't see the forest for the trees. Self-awareness would do you good. Go out and enjoy the beautiful weather today. I know I am on my way to nice street festival. Come join us!

Would LOVE to, but can't Husband is at H Street Fest while I'm home doing work. You see, I have clients who ask inane questions and demand attention on issues that are beneath me and my expertise, but because these are my clients and customers I need to treat them respectfully and take the time to educate them in a way that doesn't alienate them. Because in my world (outside DCPS) I'd be unemployed if I replied dismissively with the explanation that "I'm a professional" or "I don't do PR" or if I just ignored them. So I'm home today doing work and servicing my clients because my job involves more than just opining on my area of expertise.