Seriously - all this grief over Joan Rivers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She was a pioneer in her field and a hardworking survivor who never gave up or gave in.

Though I wasn't much a fan of her style of humor, I absolutely applaud and respect her. There was a lot more to her and her career than the catty red carpet comments of her final decade(s).

For more information on her life history and contributions, see her NY Times obit, among others:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/arts/television/joan-rivers-dies.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMediaHigh&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Here's another tribute that gives more context to her career: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-joan-rivers-kathy-griffin-appreciation-story.html#page=1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I understand even the most malicious and obnoxious comedians have a good side and I'm sure Joan Rivers was a good person to some people in her life, but the over-emotional outpouring of grief, as if she was Mother Theresa, has really been grating on me today. Maybe because I've got the TV on and the news won't stop talking about her.

Seriously? She was a mean "comedian" who hit below the belt and exploited other people's misfortunes for cheap laughs (like Lindsay Lohan). She was nothing special.

OP, I haven't read through any of the other posts but I get what you're saying. I'm sure at home and with her family she was a good person. But otherwise I thought she was a bully. She had a show where they posted pictures of people wearing clothes and then would rip them apart. If highschool girls started an online video blog where they posted there friends outfits from various parties and then ripped them to shreds, they would be bullies. She was a bully and anyone who makes fun of people and feels justified in doing so is mean. I could never feel good about making fun of people and putting them down. She made a living out of it. Yes, she was a pioneer. Yes, she was popular. Yes, she deserves to be mourned by family and friends. Personally I feel sad for her family but I feel no attachment to her whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

I'm the OP and rolling my eyes so hard at the idiotic "ur jealous" comments. Um, I never said that feeling sad about someone's death is a sin. I specifically pointed out in my OP that I'm sure she was nice to some people in her life, but I wouldn't expect the "you're just jealous" posters to read that because that would probably make my post too complicated to deal with.

What I'm saying is: the hyperbole in the news is making her out to be someone who was a saint. When it happened for Robin Williams, it seemed appropriate because he DID have a reputation of being a good guy.

I don't think Joan Rivers' career shouldn't be celebrated. Duh you can celebrate it. But people are venerating her character to a level that there is just no way it could have reached with the kind of comedy she did.

It just makes me wonder how many people she must have hurt with her "comedy", and how those people must feel now when they see her being called a kind, wonderful, super nice person on the news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand even the most malicious and obnoxious comedians have a good side and I'm sure Joan Rivers was a good person to some people in her life, but the over-emotional outpouring of grief, as if she was Mother Theresa, has really been grating on me today. Maybe because I've got the TV on and the news won't stop talking about her.

Seriously? She was a mean "comedian" who hit below the belt and exploited other people's misfortunes for cheap laughs (like Lindsay Lohan). She was nothing special.

OP, I haven't read through any of the other posts but I get what you're saying. I'm sure at home and with her family she was a good person. But otherwise I thought she was a bully. She had a show where they posted pictures of people wearing clothes and then would rip them apart. If highschool girls started an online video blog where they posted there friends outfits from various parties and then ripped them to shreds, they would be bullies. She was a bully and anyone who makes fun of people and feels justified in doing so is mean. I could never feel good about making fun of people and putting them down. She made a living out of it. Yes, she was a pioneer. Yes, she was popular. Yes, she deserves to be mourned by family and friends. Personally I feel sad for her family but I feel no attachment to her whatsoever.

EXACTLY.

- OP

[Anonymous]

She didn't make fun of people. She made fun of celebrities. Self-serving, ego maniacs who think they are better than everyone else. She was self-deprecating.

[Anonymous]

Anytime someone dies, it is always kind to pay respect.

As human beings, it is only natural to do so OP.

The reason she is all over the news is because she is famous and has been for a long time.

Sure there are some who do not like her and are not fans. But isn't that true of any celebrity?

What celebrity is 100% loved by everyone?

Can't you just be kind, respectful and not be so harsh?

Someday that will be you and you would want that same respect paid to you.

[Anonymous]

I'm not really sure what you are condemning, OP. She was famous and when famous people die, their obituaries appear in the press. Their deaths are notable. Is it your expectation that major news outlets would not present her life story? I do not see any hagiographies of her. I see the news presenting her as she was: tough, acerbic, difficult, and comic.

[Anonymous]

She was and is, a feminist icon. And honest. The truth hurts sometimes. But she told it like it was.

Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was throat surgery. NOT plastic surgery.

No one over 80 should have anything like that done in a doctor's office, though.

Is that normal to have throat surgery in an out patient facility? Is it possible that the family just said it was throat surgery because they didn't want to say what it was?

She was at an Endoscopy Center that's now being investigated by New York State. NOT plastic surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She didn't make fun of people. She made fun of celebrities. Self-serving, ego maniacs who think they are better than everyone else. She was self-deprecating.

Exactly. So many people don't understand humor, obviously can't take a joke themselves so assume others can't either (like OP and her supporters). Do you even watch any late night comedy? Or do you hate all of them? (No, probably not because they're not Jewish women, they're WASP men so they're allowed.)

[Anonymous]

Racist nasty unfunny "comedian" whose mouth is forever shut.

[Anonymous]

Comics get a free pass when making jokes. She wasn't racist or mean. That was her schtick, and the celebrities she skewered welcomed the attention.

Did you read the link I posted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anytime someone dies, it is always kind to pay respect.

As human beings, it is only natural to do so OP.

The reason she is all over the news is because she is famous and has been for a long time.

Sure there are some who do not like her and are not fans. But isn't that true of any celebrity?

What celebrity is 100% loved by everyone?

Can't you just be kind, respectful and not be so harsh?

Someday that will be you and you would want that same respect paid to you.

And the fact that this is the main complaint against Joan Rivers being made is lost on them.

[Anonymous]

I said a couple pages ago -- who cares that she picked on actors, some of the most useless people on Earth?

I'm pretty sure with their fame and money, they don't give a shit that Joan Rivers called them fat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Racist nasty unfunny "comedian" whose mouth is forever shut.

+1

And to paraphrase Clarence Darrow:

"I have never wished any woman dead, but I read her obituary with great pleasure."