AAP and who belongs....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, "if" you are a teacher, please get a different job. You don't belong in the classroom with young children who are very impressionable. I am certain that the children in your class can feel what you think. Shame on you, and shame on FCPS for employing you.

PPs, I have a child in AAP, and her teacher was horrible. My DC wanted to go back to the regular class, as the teacher was so nasty. The teacher would tell the kids that most of them didn't belong there. Thankfully she went on maternity leave and a nicer person came in to sub. Maybe the OP is this teacher. Sounds just like her!

Yikes! Which center?

I won't give names (not even of schools), but will say that some/all (being purposefully vague) of the center kids go to LJMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a gifted program (IQ around 130 or above, or the best approximation FCPS can get to it with a limited budget for testing and not WISC for all). It just isn't a highly gifted program.

Look at these IQ ranges (link below) for various professions. It looks like AAP as it currently exists is nurturing and developing those who may eventually work in fields like science, medicine, academia. There may be an implicit belief that providing extra enrichment for kids in the 130 and above group will lead to important innovations one day. Not that no others can innovate or make significant contributions -- far from it -- but the 130 cutoff for FCPS and nationally may have some type of unstated rationale.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

One could argue that IQ 140 and above (group formerly targeted by FCPS to be sent to centers) would be even more likely to innovate in the future and should be split off to develop with even greater enrichment.

Well, there will be a ton of scientists and doctors in the future then as so many kids are admitted. Years ago when I heard that a child was admitted into the program I was genuinely impressed. These days? I am shocked by the large number (and caliber) of students in AAP. So many feel this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, "if" you are a teacher, please get a different job. You don't belong in the classroom with young children who are very impressionable. I am certain that the children in your class can feel what you think. Shame on you, and shame on FCPS for employing you.

PPs, I have a child in AAP, and her teacher was horrible. My DC wanted to go back to the regular class, as the teacher was so nasty. The teacher would tell the kids that most of them didn't belong there. Thankfully she went on maternity leave and a nicer person came in to sub. Maybe the OP is this teacher. Sounds just like her!

Yikes! Which center?

I won't give names (not even of schools), but will say that some/all (being purposefully vague) of the center kids go to LJMS.

I hope it was not my child's teacher! My child's teacher went on maternity leave and some of the center kids go to LJMS.

I never heard of this kind of awful attitude and from what I did hear, the students (including my child) liked the teacher and were sad to see her go on leave.

It is truly a shame that any teacher would be so awful to students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a gifted program (IQ around 130 or above, or the best approximation FCPS can get to it with a limited budget for testing and not WISC for all). It just isn't a highly gifted program.

Look at these IQ ranges (link below) for various professions. It looks like AAP as it currently exists is nurturing and developing those who may eventually work in fields like science, medicine, academia. There may be an implicit belief that providing extra enrichment for kids in the 130 and above group will lead to important innovations one day. Not that no others can innovate or make significant contributions -- far from it -- but the 130 cutoff for FCPS and nationally may have some type of unstated rationale.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

One could argue that IQ 140 and above (group formerly targeted by FCPS to be sent to centers) would be even more likely to innovate in the future and should be split off to develop with even greater enrichment.

Well, there will be a ton of scientists and doctors in the future then as so many kids are admitted. Years ago when I heard that a child was admitted into the program I was genuinely impressed. These days? I am shocked by the large number (and caliber) of students in AAP. So many feel this way.

We need lots of scientists and doctors to solve pressing problems like how to cope with and combat global warming and how to care for a rapidly aging population (including some of us on this forum). Many doctors and dentists are overworked and aren't even accepting new patients these days. We need art and literature to enrich our lives. We need leaders to organize and inspire us. The purpose of AAP isn't to have an elite club that impresses people. It is to develop potential for the good of society as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a gifted program (IQ around 130 or above, or the best approximation FCPS can get to it with a limited budget for testing and not WISC for all). It just isn't a highly gifted program.

Look at these IQ ranges (link below) for various professions. It looks like AAP as it currently exists is nurturing and developing those who may eventually work in fields like science, medicine, academia. There may be an implicit belief that providing extra enrichment for kids in the 130 and above group will lead to important innovations one day. Not that no others can innovate or make significant contributions -- far from it -- but the 130 cutoff for FCPS and nationally may have some type of unstated rationale.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

One could argue that IQ 140 and above (group formerly targeted by FCPS to be sent to centers) would be even more likely to innovate in the future and should be split off to develop with even greater enrichment.

Well, there will be a ton of scientists and doctors in the future then as so many kids are admitted. Years ago when I heard that a child was admitted into the program I was genuinely impressed. These days? I am shocked by the large number (and caliber) of students in AAP. So many feel this way.

We need lots of scientists and doctors to solve pressing problems like how to cope with and combat global warming and how to care for a rapidly aging population (including some of us on this forum). Many doctors and dentists are overworked and aren't even accepting new patients these days. We need art and literature to enrich our lives. We need leaders to organize and inspire us. The purpose of AAP isn't to have an elite club that impresses people. It is to develop potential for the good of society as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a gifted program (IQ around 130 or above, or the best approximation FCPS can get to it with a limited budget for testing and not WISC for all). It just isn't a highly gifted program.

Look at these IQ ranges (link below) for various professions. It looks like AAP as it currently exists is nurturing and developing those who may eventually work in fields like science, medicine, academia. There may be an implicit belief that providing extra enrichment for kids in the 130 and above group will lead to important innovations one day. Not that no others can innovate or make significant contributions -- far from it -- but the 130 cutoff for FCPS and nationally may have some type of unstated rationale.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

One could argue that IQ 140 and above (group formerly targeted by FCPS to be sent to centers) would be even more likely to innovate in the future and should be split off to develop with even greater enrichment.

Well, there will be a ton of scientists and doctors in the future then as so many kids are admitted. Years ago when I heard that a child was admitted into the program I was genuinely impressed. These days? I am shocked by the large number (and caliber) of students in AAP. So many feel this way.

We need lots of scientists and doctors to solve pressing problems like how to cope with and combat global warming and how to care for a rapidly aging population (including some of us on this forum). Many doctors and dentists are overworked and aren't even accepting new patients these days. We need art and literature to enrich our lives. We need leaders to organize and inspire us. The purpose of AAP isn't to have an elite club that impresses people. It is to develop potential for the good of society as a whole.

Smug, much? Plenty of kids who were previously in GE in elementary and middle school will also become the scientists, doctors, dentists, artists, authors, and leaders of the next generation. Surely you don't actually believe that only AAP kids will eventually be successful? You are quite naive.

[Anonymous]

16:10, punctuation and capitalization are not "grammatical errors.". Do you know the difference between grammar and the mechanics of writing? Thank goodness YOU don't teach kids!

[Anonymous]

I also teach AAP and agree with the OP. So many parents push for AAP as if it is a status symbol for themselves. Do you think Harvard, Princeton, and Yale give a rat's ass that your child was in AAP in elementary school? I find it especially humorous that so many parents of AAP kids whose elementary schools feed into Luther Jackson for AAP choose not to send them on to middle school AAP. Hypocrites!!! "My child must have AAP, but for middle school it does not matter.". FCPS needs to eliminate the AAP program. And, before you criticize me, I went to Princeton and got my Masters of Ed at Columbia so I may be somewhat well educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also teach AAP and agree with the OP. So many parents push for AAP as if it is a status symbol for themselves. Do you think Harvard, Princeton, and Yale give a rat's ass that your child was in AAP in elementary school? I find it especially humorous that so many parents of AAP kids whose elementary schools feed into Luther Jackson for AAP choose not to send them on to middle school AAP. Hypocrites!!! "My child must have AAP, but for middle school it does not matter.". FCPS needs to eliminate the AAP program. And, before you criticize me, I went to Princeton and got my Masters of Ed at Columbia so I may be somewhat well educated.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also teach AAP and agree with the OP. So many parents push for AAP as if it is a status symbol for themselves. Do you think Harvard, Princeton, and Yale give a rat's ass that your child was in AAP in elementary school? I find it especially humorous that so many parents of AAP kids whose elementary schools feed into Luther Jackson for AAP choose not to send them on to middle school AAP. Hypocrites!!! "My child must have AAP, but for middle school it does not matter.". FCPS needs to eliminate the AAP program. And, before you criticize me, I went to Princeton and got my Masters of Ed at Columbia so I may be somewhat well educated.

Seriously, do ANY AAP teachers know proper punctuation? (Your bizarre .". construction gives you away as the writer of the last two posts, by the way.)

And do you think we give a rat's ass that you went to Princeton? Sounds like you're the one focused on status-symbol education, as well as for some reason very eager to eliminate your own job.

Quit, already!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Used to teach G&T in another state. Agree with the OP. The kids who really needed it were for the most part those who are now called 2E. Really smart, but lack practical skills or had emotional issues. All the other kids should be in basic tracked classrooms in a regular school. I don't know how tracked classrooms got to be such a dirty word.

No, 2E is a subset of truly gifted. You can have brilliant, high-IQ, truly gifted kids who behave normally.

2E means kids with special needs -- usually on the autism spectrum -- who also possess some particular gift in a particular area. What we used to call an idiot savant.

That is a very narrow and incorrect understanding of 2E.

[Anonymous]

Parent posting at 19:11. What were the punctuation problem? English is not my first language and I like learning here.

[Anonymous]

Just came across this thread. Oh how the AAP parents need to defend their little snowflakes "need" for AAP! Truly a joke! As an aart at two fcps schools I am very aware of how few students belong in AAP. AAP should be the abbreviation for Awfully Annoying Parents. Kids are sweet but SO few belong in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent posting at 19:11. What were the punctuation problem? English is not my first language and I like learning here.

The following quote should have been punctuated like this (no second period at the end):

"My child must have AAP, but for middle school it does not matter."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also teach AAP and agree with the OP. So many parents push for AAP as if it is a status symbol for themselves. Do you think Harvard, Princeton, and Yale give a rat's ass that your child was in AAP in elementary school? I find it especially humorous that so many parents of AAP kids whose elementary schools feed into Luther Jackson for AAP choose not to send them on to middle school AAP. Hypocrites!!! "My child must have AAP, but for middle school it does not matter.". FCPS needs to eliminate the AAP program. And, before you criticize me, I went to Princeton and got my Masters of Ed at Columbia so I may be somewhat well educated.

I doubt anyone is buying this.