AAP and who belongs....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not shaming her - just telling the truth. I have witnessed her remarks while I was in the classroom with other parents. She was telling us that most of the kids don't belong and she tells them so - this is what she told us. I spoke with the guidance about the teacher.. All to no avail. I hope she decides to be a SAHM.

You do realize that OP almost certainly isn't the teacher you observed, right?

[Anonymous]

Sadly, yes I do realize this.

[Anonymous]

luckily, DC never ran into a teacher like that.

[Anonymous]

AAP is a gifted program (IQ around 130 or above, or the best approximation FCPS can get to it with a limited budget for testing and not WISC for all). It just isn't a highly gifted program.

Look at these IQ ranges (link below) for various professions. It looks like AAP as it currently exists is nurturing and developing those who may eventually work in fields like science, medicine, academia. There may be an implicit belief that providing extra enrichment for kids in the 130 and above group will lead to important innovations one day. Not that no others can innovate or make significant contributions -- far from it -- but the 130 cutoff for FCPS and nationally may have some type of unstated rationale.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

One could argue that IQ 140 and above (group formerly targeted by FCPS to be sent to centers) would be even more likely to innovate in the future and should be split off to develop with even greater enrichment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Center teacher here. Class of 28 and at best 3 are truly in need of AAP. The rest would be best served in gen ed. they are bright and work hard but FAR from gifted, what the program was meant to serve before it was so watered down. I am so tired of the parents who insist their children "need" aap. It is elementary school!

Are you the same teacher that told her entire classroom at Lemon Rd 4th grade class they did not deserve to be in AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Center teacher here. Class of 28 and at best 3 are truly in need of AAP. The rest would be best served in gen ed. they are bright and work hard but FAR from gifted, what the program was meant to serve before it was so watered down. I am so tired of the parents who insist their children "need" aap. It is elementary school!

From your grammatical errors, I would hope you aren't a center teacher....

I'm suspect for other reasons as well, among them your claiming that parents insist their children "need" AAP. They're already in--why would they be lobbying you?

Lastly, lucky you, who gets to complain about bright, hard-working students! I'm sure there are many in Fairfax County who would love to trade places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAP is a gifted program (IQ around 130 or above, or the best approximation FCPS can get to it with a limited budget for testing and not WISC for all). It just isn't a highly gifted program.

Look at these IQ ranges (link below) for various professions. It looks like AAP as it currently exists is nurturing and developing those who may eventually work in fields like science, medicine, academia. There may be an implicit belief that providing extra enrichment for kids in the 130 and above group will lead to important innovations one day. Not that no others can innovate or make significant contributions -- far from it -- but the 130 cutoff for FCPS and nationally may have some type of unstated rationale.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Occupations.aspx

One could argue that IQ 140 and above (group formerly targeted by FCPS to be sent to centers) would be even more likely to innovate in the future and should be split off to develop with even greater enrichment.

Barf....B/S...keep dreaming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Center teacher here. Class of 28 and at best 3 are truly in need of AAP. The rest would be best served in gen ed. they are bright and work hard but FAR from gifted, what the program was meant to serve before it was so watered down. I am so tired of the parents who insist their children "need" aap. It is elementary school!

Are you the same teacher that told her entire classroom at Lemon Rd 4th grade class they did not deserve to be in AAP?

Maybe the parents should stop telling them they do belong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Center teacher here. Class of 28 and at best 3 are truly in need of AAP. The rest would be best served in gen ed. they are bright and work hard but FAR from gifted, what the program was meant to serve before it was so watered down. I am so tired of the parents who insist their children "need" aap. It is elementary school!

Are you the same teacher that told her entire classroom at Lemon Rd 4th grade class they did not deserve to be in AAP?

Maybe the parents should stop telling them they do belong.

They got into the program. Why would anyone tell them they don't belong? Take your issue up with FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Center teacher here. Class of 28 and at best 3 are truly in need of AAP. The rest would be best served in gen ed. they are bright and work hard but FAR from gifted, what the program was meant to serve before it was so watered down. I am so tired of the parents who insist their children "need" aap. It is elementary school!

From your grammatical errors, I would hope you aren't a center teacher....

I'm suspect for other reasons as well, among them your claiming that parents insist their children "need" AAP. They're already in--why would they be lobbying you?

Lastly, lucky you, who gets to complain about bright, hard-working students! I'm sure there are many in Fairfax County who would love to trade places.

But the grammatical errors would be just find for a GE teacher? AAP teachers are simply regular teachers who have completed an extra certificate. No magic happens to produce AAP teachers. They are just as fallible as any other and certainly no smarter.

And I imagine the parents aren't "lobbying" her; probably just taking her aside in their sycophantic way and crowing about how glad they are that their kids are in AAP since they "needed" it so much.

[Anonymous]

I cannot begin to comprehend adults, especially teachers, being so NASTY to elementary age children. Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

So when you got my child's file and saw that he has a FSIQ over 150, were you surprised that it's hard to get him to give anything he does more than 50%?
Without his file, you would have assumed he didn't belong. He doesn't have to think, and assumes he doesn't have to try, and he is who the program was designed for.

We were hoping he would have a teacher who had enough knowledge of highly gifted kids to be able to challenge him and motivate him to use his abilities. Apparently AAP teachers only want the hothoused kids they don't have to actually teach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, "if" you are a teacher, please get a different job. You don't belong in the classroom with young children who are very impressionable. I am certain that the children in your class can feel what you think. Shame on you, and shame on FCPS for employing you.

PPs, I have a child in AAP, and her teacher was horrible. My DC wanted to go back to the regular class, as the teacher was so nasty. The teacher would tell the kids that most of them didn't belong there. Thankfully she went on maternity leave and a nicer person came in to sub. Maybe the OP is this teacher. Sounds just like her!

Yikes! Which center?

[Anonymous]

I pray the OP is not a teacher. If he/she is, it is extremely disheartening to know that my child may end up in his/her class next year. I did not insist nor feel the "need" for my child to be in AAP. I did not submit any work samples or parent questionnaire with dc's file. When I found out dc was eligible, I waited until after the orientation, and until the last minute to make the decision for dc to attend the center, because I was unsure if going to the center was in my child's best interest. DC will be going to center next year.......to think any aap teacher thinks dc doesn't belong.....disgusting. at orientation, they were praising the center, promoting it, convincing parents and students it was far better than gen ed and local level. Uggh I hope I made the right decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Center teacher here. Class of 28 and at best 3 are truly in need of AAP. The rest would be best served in gen ed. they are bright and work hard but FAR from gifted, what the program was meant to serve before it was so watered down. I am so tired of the parents who insist their children "need" aap. It is elementary school!

From your grammatical errors, I would hope you aren't a center teacher....

I'm suspect for other reasons as well, among them your claiming that parents insist their children "need" AAP. They're already in--why would they be lobbying you?

Lastly, lucky you, who gets to complain about bright, hard-working students! I'm sure there are many in Fairfax County who would love to trade places.

But the grammatical errors would be just find for a GE teacher? AAP teachers are simply regular teachers who have completed an extra certificate. No magic happens to produce AAP teachers. They are just as fallible as any other and certainly no smarter.

And I imagine the parents aren't "lobbying" her; probably just taking her aside in their sycophantic way and crowing about how glad they are that their kids are in AAP since they "needed" it so much.

No, the grammatical errors wouldn't be just "find" for a Gen. Ed. teacher, either--not sure why you assumed that, as it certainly was not stated. My second-grader is expected to capitalize and punctuate simple sentences properly, and I would expect the same for all teachers, especially when they identify themselves as such.

You can "imagine" whatever you want about allegedly crowing parents. Again, this was not stated in the original post.