FCPS, changing student demographics are destroying the budget (as said by the Administration)

[Anonymous]

Require HS juniors and seniors to take at least 2 online classes per semester. This will ease crowding and drop costs.

[Anonymous]

I think the changing demographics means more hispanic lower SES students. Generalizing here: higher percentage of these families rent (no personal property tax on their house), have more kids, require ESOL services, free or reduced lunch and breakfast, summer school and other special services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That average cost per student includes special ed students, students who require one on one aide support, esol students, etc.

The typical student with no issues costs far less than the $13-14k number you cited.

Yes, I believe it is around half that cost.

Wow, that means Stop picking on mcmansion owners, they are actually paying more than the share, step off.

Not sure what the amount is for a non-esol, farm, spec ed student, but mcmansion owners also pay taxes typically longer than the 13 years of schooling. If you figure they pay for more than 1 child in one year, if they live in the house another 15 years before or after their children are in school they've easily paid for about three children to go all the way through school and more than their fair share for other services as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the changing demographics means more hispanic lower SES students. Generalizing here: higher percentage of these families rent (no personal property tax on their house), have more kids, require ESOL services, free or reduced lunch and breakfast, summer school and other special services.

The owners of rental properties pay property taxes and they generally consider that expense when they figure out the appropriate monthly rent payment, so the renters are paying their share by making it possible for the owner to pay taxes on the property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the changing demographics means more hispanic lower SES students. Generalizing here: higher percentage of these families rent (no personal property tax on their house), have more kids, require ESOL services, free or reduced lunch and breakfast, summer school and other special services.

The owners of rental properties pay property taxes and they generally consider that expense when they figure out the appropriate monthly rent payment, so the renters are paying their share by making it possible for the owner to pay taxes on the property.

+1

I am a renter and my kid is in private so I am paying more than my share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the changing demographics means more hispanic lower SES students. Generalizing here: higher percentage of these families rent (no personal property tax on their house), have more kids, require ESOL services, free or reduced lunch and breakfast, summer school and other special services.

The owners of rental properties pay property taxes and they generally consider that expense when they figure out the appropriate monthly rent payment, so the renters are paying their share by making it possible for the owner to pay taxes on the property.

+1

I am a renter and my kid is in private so I am paying more than my share.

But it's not just about you. Fairfax County currently has no tax other than real estate that pays for it's schools. The tax needs to be spread to renters as well in the form of a sales tax at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the changing demographics means more hispanic lower SES students. Generalizing here: higher percentage of these families rent (no personal property tax on their house), have more kids, require ESOL services, free or reduced lunch and breakfast, summer school and other special services.

The owners of rental properties pay property taxes and they generally consider that expense when they figure out the appropriate monthly rent payment, so the renters are paying their share by making it possible for the owner to pay taxes on the property.

+1

I am a renter and my kid is in private so I am paying more than my share.

But it's not just about you. Fairfax County currently has no tax other than real estate that pays for it's schools. The tax needs to be spread to renters as well in the form of a sales tax at least.

Fairfax doesn't have a sales tax?

[Anonymous]

no tax if renting apartments!!

[Anonymous]

Approximately 60-65% of the budget comes from real estate taxes. Local sales tax accounts for less than 5% of the budget. Check out the citizen's guide to the Fairfax County budget.

[Anonymous]

Some idiots here. Renters pay property tax too! Don't you think that their landlords have to pay property tax????

[Anonymous]

That average cost per student includes special ed students, students who require one on one aide support, esol students, etc.

The typical student with no issues costs far less than the $13-14k number you cited.

New poster, and not really. According to the budget document (see page 162).....

In FY 2015, 25,715 students are projected to receive special education services. Special education students require specialized instruction and additional resources. The average cost per pupil for the special education program is $22,720 while the general education average cost per pupil is $11,359.

So special education is very expensive, but less than 15% of students receive any special education services. Less than 10% receive what are called Level 2 services, which is the majority of their educational day spent in a special education environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That average cost per student includes special ed students, students who require one on one aide support, esol students, etc.

The typical student with no issues costs far less than the $13-14k number you cited.

New poster, and not really. According to the budget document (see page 162).....

In FY 2015, 25,715 students are projected to receive special education services. Special education students require specialized instruction and additional resources. The average cost per pupil for the special education program is $22,720 while the general education average cost per pupil is $11,359.

So special education is very expensive, but less than 15% of students receive any special education services. Less than 10% receive what are called Level 2 services, which is the majority of their educational day spent in a special education environment.

The average cost per general education pupil includes additional teachers for children that qualify for ESOL and FARM. Some of that is subsidized, but it's still coming from taxes.

[Anonymous]

Tax is paid for every property in the county, whether is is paid by residents, landlords, or apartment complexes.

[Anonymous]

An apartment dweller is going to pay much less tax than a single family owner whether they rent or own. In Fairfax, townhouse and single family dwellings on average have 3 people living in them and multi-family units have on average 2.2 people living in them. I doubt apartment owners or renters are paying over 2/3 the amount of single family owners in taxes.

[Anonymous]

An apartment dweller is going to pay much less tax than a single family owner whether they rent or own. In Fairfax, townhouse and single family dwellings on average have 3 people living in them and multi-family units have on average 2.2 people living in them. I doubt apartment owners or renters are paying over 2/3 the amount of single family owners in taxes.

Property taxes are what they are. The building owner probably pays a pretty hefty price, however.