Wasington Episcopal School - Losing Teachers?
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Anonymous
| FATHER for a woman? Not in my Epis. church. No wonder membership for the national episcopal church has fallen below 1.6 million from a high in the mid-60s of 3.5 million. But I don't think Father is correct. Even Schori doesn't use that title. Here's the national post on how to address clery. http://www.episcopalchurch.org/page/episcopal-church-style-guide |
Anonymous
| Can someone please tell me what the relevance of the former chaplain's title is to this discussion about the school? |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
| Because a parent mentioned it in passing when saying the chaplain is leaving, along with the other departures. Then there was a discussion of excessive turnover of chaplains. And if the schools has become that p.c.-crazy to call a woman episcopal priest, "Father", I want to know because I'm not sending it any more money . . . parent of former students. |
Anonymous
I never got it as a PC thing. I saw it as a term of endearment. People need to relax. -Padre. |
Anonymous
| I meant "like padre" |
Anonymous
Priests decide for themselves what they will be called-if they want to be called Father or Mr. or Ms. Schools and parishes don't make that decision. What the previous chaplain chooses to call herself had absolutely nothing to do with the school. |
Anonymous
| I think the chaplains are scared off! |
Anonymous
Good point! If people are that critical about what title a priest prefers, what chaplain would want to stay there. |
Anonymous
| The period at the end of the sentence was included in the link: http://www.dioceseny.org/pages/276-forms-of-clerical-address (it now should work). They were just the diocese that I could find had the information but all states work the same. |
Anonymous
They do not. Go google "What call female episcopalian priest". Answer: a choice of The Very Reverend, The Rererend, Dr. (if they have one), Pastor, Mother, or Betty. There is nothing on the internet that I can find that says a woman ordinate can select "Father". Here's the national site. It does not specify that a woman can call herself "Father". It suggests the "Reverend" title or first name. In our church we use the formal name of "The Reverend" for our female priest or call her by first name when one-on-one. If you have a real ECUSA site that condones this, I would appreciate a post. |
Anonymous
+1000. I liked her a lot. Plus, who cares what title she chooses to be addressed by. |
Anonymous
| I do. It's not proper and it says a lot about the woman insisting upon it at ordination (at which I have served numerous times). Proper formal title is "The Very Reverend Dr" if they have a doctorate. Or just "The Reverend Betty Smith" if no doctorate. "Mother" is the only approved title for a female priest below the formal title in Episcopalian churches, but I have never seen it used - ever- and we do have female priests. Some might use Pastor, as in "Pastor Smith" or the older word: Curate, but never "Father". http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=559337 |
Anonymous
Your ignorance is showing. The term "The Very Rev." is used only for deans of seminaries and cathedral. Having a doctorate has nothing to do with this title. As a retired priest and former seminary professor, I believe I speak with some authority on this issue. I have a doctorate, and that DID NOT entitle me to use the title "The Very Rev." Also, you are confusing referential titles and titles of address. You can check out the Episcopal Church's style guide if you do not believe me. Also, Pastor is NEVER an appropriate title for a priest in the Episcopal Church. Finally, as one who has attended the ordination of many Episcopal seminary students throughout the Church, mother is a title that is routinely used. Since this thread was originally about teachers coming and going at Washington Episcopal School, you should consider taking your obsession to another forum. As a previous poster asked, "What does the title that Father Kim chooses have to do with the school?" I don't see the relevance. |
Anonymous
| Students transfer out of WES if they can do so. Turnover by graduation is huge. Teachers leave as well, but not to the same degree as dcs. It's too bad about the numerous chaplains, but that seems to be the course of things as WES. |