Why is there such a racial/ethnic disconnect with TJ Admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:Part of it is almost certainly cultural. I want my smart, high a heaving 6th grader to do well. But, as a third generation Jewish American, I know that there is plenty of time to excel. She can go to a great school from our base HS. And, if you are going to science, guess what? Where you go to college does not matter...grad school matters.

I do not want my dd commuting 1 hr each way, having 4-6 hrs of hw per night.

By comparison, high achieving people in India or Korea have success defined by admittance to the right hs...rejected for the top hs, and your chance at a high achieving life is much lower.

"It really is a mindset and in saying this it is not intended as a value judgement.

My son went to TJ. It was a long trek for him and on top of this the rigorous academic requirements at TJ had him working some long hours especially in his junior year.

He went on to medical school and is currently doing his residency at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and will be done soon.

He says that TJ was the best thing that happened to him. He literally breezed through his undergrad. He said it was a lot easier than TJ from an academic standpoint in terms of the pressure .... and he completed his undergrad in three years!

Given where he is today, ask him whether he has any regrets about the long commute and the academic demands that TJ made on him and he would give an unqualified response that TJ was a huge help to him in getting where he is today. Could he have done it in a different academic environment? More than likely he could have. But that does not take anything away from the role TJ played in getting him to where he is today.

None of the above is meant as a brag ..... after all, I am posting anonymously. It is merely intended as a perspective on how some parents and their children view the downsides (commuting, new friends, academic pressures) of going to TJ."

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the statistics for the TJ admissions this year. Why is the racial/ethnic makeup so much different from that of Fairfax County, and neighboring counties, as a whole? I do not believe any one particular race is smarter than another, so please don't tell me that. I don't think one race tries harder than another race either. But it is quite obvious that certain segments of our society are under-represented, and the trend looks to be getting worse. Why is this happenning?

OP does not seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer. That's one less kid to get into TJ!

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

Actually many Asians come to US based on family connections more so than based on employment. In addition, Asians who come to US on student visas to attend colleges/graduate schools are on temporary visas so they must leave US once schooling is complete unless they are offered permanent positions and offer of permanent employment is not that common due to their lack of permanent resident status/citizenship/clearance etc.

As for relocating, that may happen in some cases but it is not common due to high cost and other issues such as obtaining new jobs etc. with relocating.

In my experience (my parents are Asians who came over in the 1950's), many of the Asians who come over for family connections do so for education and are sponsored by the family members. They come to attend school here and stay and they do tend to be among the cream of the crop. I've seen many, many families where the smartest of the cousins comes to the US and are sponsored by the one family member who came over in the previous generation (the uncle or aunt). That family member sponsors them, they study and they stay and they end up sponsoring the next of the cousins/nieces/nephews who will come over. So your two categories, those with family connections and those coming for education include a largely overlapping subset of the more intelligent members of large families who can stay beyond student visas. I've personally seen hundreds of such candidates.

Even the broke Asians that come over here focus on education.

It's interesting, but no one wants to admit it. Asians focus on education to get ahead and hope their kids have a better life.

Blacks and Hispanics focus less on education and instead, complain to the man that they are being held back.

Blacks should have an advantage over other minorities because they actually spoke the English language, but someone that language has evolved into ebonics.

So much ignorance in your post. How I wish TJ were closed, so that people like you would have one less soapbox from which to expound your misguided theories about Asian superiority.

How is saying Asians focus on education compared to other groups expounding Asian superiority? How is focusing on education a basis for wanting TJ closed? Your post doesn't make sense.

Blacks focus too much on becoming the next Lebron, the next MJ, the next Deion Sanders, the next RG3, rapper, sports agent, basketball summer league organizer, etc.

Please let Neil deGrasse Tyson know your views. You can tweet to him @neiltyson

https://twitter.com/neiltyson

Honestly, the fact that he's famous has a lot more to do with the fact that he's Black than it does with anything he's done that's exceptional. He's obviously super-bright (all PhD physicists are) but whipping out a single example isn't exactly evidence. Google "Black Astrophysicist" the vast majority of the hits are for him.

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Thanks for the google suggestion -- found this:


http://www.upworthy.com/neil-degrasse-tyson-reveals-that-hes-been-black-his-whole-life-hilarity-and-wisdom-follow

Rajiv Narayan --
To set the scene, the (poorly posed) question is referring to comments made by former Treasury Secretary and Harvard University President Lawrence Summers, who suggested that genetic differences could explain why there are fewer girls in science. Yup, he really was Treasury secretary and president of Harvard.

Neil deGrasse Tyson's answer is, um, out of this world. There, I said it. Let me have this one.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

Actually many Asians come to US based on family connections more so than based on employment. In addition, Asians who come to US on student visas to attend colleges/graduate schools are on temporary visas so they must leave US once schooling is complete unless they are offered permanent positions and offer of permanent employment is not that common due to their lack of permanent resident status/citizenship/clearance etc.

As for relocating, that may happen in some cases but it is not common due to high cost and other issues such as obtaining new jobs etc. with relocating.

In my experience (my parents are Asians who came over in the 1950's), many of the Asians who come over for family connections do so for education and are sponsored by the family members. They come to attend school here and stay and they do tend to be among the cream of the crop. I've seen many, many families where the smartest of the cousins comes to the US and are sponsored by the one family member who came over in the previous generation (the uncle or aunt). That family member sponsors them, they study and they stay and they end up sponsoring the next of the cousins/nieces/nephews who will come over. So your two categories, those with family connections and those coming for education include a largely overlapping subset of the more intelligent members of large families who can stay beyond student visas. I've personally seen hundreds of such candidates.

Even the broke Asians that come over here focus on education.

It's interesting, but no one wants to admit it. Asians focus on education to get ahead and hope their kids have a better life.

Blacks and Hispanics focus less on education and instead, complain to the man that they are being held back.

Blacks should have an advantage over other minorities because they actually spoke the English language, but someone that language has evolved into ebonics.

So much ignorance in your post. How I wish TJ were closed, so that people like you would have one less soapbox from which to expound your misguided theories about Asian superiority.

How is saying Asians focus on education compared to other groups expounding Asian superiority? How is focusing on education a basis for wanting TJ closed? Your post doesn't make sense.

Blacks focus too much on becoming the next Lebron, the next MJ, the next Deion Sanders, the next RG3, rapper, sports agent, basketball summer league organizer, etc.

Not the Caribbean and African blacks. In fact most blacks at TJ are either Caribbean or African blacks,

Agree....African Blacks and Caribbean blacks haven't attained the institutionalized thinking that the government is their end all be all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I think they should make TJ all Asian.

I love you!

Give it time...natural progression.

Before you know it though, there will be quotas on # of Asians admitted. The state of California imposes quotas on Asians admitted into the California state university system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Part of it is almost certainly cultural. I want my smart, high a heaving 6th grader to do well. But, as a third generation Jewish American, I know that there is plenty of time to excel. She can go to a great school from our base HS. And, if you are going to science, guess what? Where you go to college does not matter...grad school matters.

I do not want my dd commuting 1 hr each way, having 4-6 hrs of hw per night.

By comparison, high achieving people in India or Korea have success defined by admittance to the right hs...rejected for the top hs, and your chance at a high achieving life is much lower.

"It really is a mindset and in saying this it is not intended as a value judgement.

My son went to TJ. It was a long trek for him and on top of this the rigorous academic requirements at TJ had him working some long hours especially in his junior year.

He went on to medical school and is currently doing his residency at one of the most prestigious programs in the country and will be done soon.

He says that TJ was the best thing that happened to him. He literally breezed through his undergrad. He said it was a lot easier than TJ from an academic standpoint in terms of the pressure .... and he completed his undergrad in three years!

Given where he is today, ask him whether he has any regrets about the long commute and the academic demands that TJ made on him and he would give an unqualified response that TJ was a huge help to him in getting where he is today. Could he have done it in a different academic environment? More than likely he could have. But that does not take anything away from the role TJ played in getting him to where he is today.

None of the above is meant as a brag ..... after all, I am posting anonymously. It is merely intended as a perspective on how some parents and their children view the downsides (commuting, new friends, academic pressures) of going to TJ."

Where did your son attend undergrad?

[Anonymous]

There's an old saw that says that a dying man seldom regrets that "he didn't work hard enough".. think about what is important to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

Actually many Asians come to US based on family connections more so than based on employment. In addition, Asians who come to US on student visas to attend colleges/graduate schools are on temporary visas so they must leave US once schooling is complete unless they are offered permanent positions and offer of permanent employment is not that common due to their lack of permanent resident status/citizenship/clearance etc.

As for relocating, that may happen in some cases but it is not common due to high cost and other issues such as obtaining new jobs etc. with relocating.

In my experience (my parents are Asians who came over in the 1950's), many of the Asians who come over for family connections do so for education and are sponsored by the family members. They come to attend school here and stay and they do tend to be among the cream of the crop. I've seen many, many families where the smartest of the cousins comes to the US and are sponsored by the one family member who came over in the previous generation (the uncle or aunt). That family member sponsors them, they study and they stay and they end up sponsoring the next of the cousins/nieces/nephews who will come over. So your two categories, those with family connections and those coming for education include a largely overlapping subset of the more intelligent members of large families who can stay beyond student visas. I've personally seen hundreds of such candidates.

Even the broke Asians that come over here focus on education.

It's interesting, but no one wants to admit it. Asians focus on education to get ahead and hope their kids have a better life.

Blacks and Hispanics focus less on education and instead, complain to the man that they are being held back.

Blacks should have an advantage over other minorities because they actually spoke the English language, but someone that language has evolved into ebonics.

So much ignorance in your post. How I wish TJ were closed, so that people like you would have one less soapbox from which to expound your misguided theories about Asian superiority.

How is saying Asians focus on education compared to other groups expounding Asian superiority? How is focusing on education a basis for wanting TJ closed? Your post doesn't make sense.

Blacks focus too much on becoming the next Lebron, the next MJ, the next Deion Sanders, the next RG3, rapper, sports agent, basketball summer league organizer, etc.

Please let Neil deGrasse Tyson know your views. You can tweet to him @neiltyson

https://twitter.com/neiltyson

Honestly, the fact that he's famous has a lot more to do with the fact that he's Black than it does with anything he's done that's exceptional. He's obviously super-bright (all PhD physicists are) but whipping out a single example isn't exactly evidence. Google "Black Astrophysicist" the vast majority of the hits are for him.

Or maybe the fact that he's hot and funny and supersmart and (on the face of it at least) incredibly charming? I just have the biggest crush on him...

--signed "hot (white) mama"

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

Actually many Asians come to US based on family connections more so than based on employment. In addition, Asians who come to US on student visas to attend colleges/graduate schools are on temporary visas so they must leave US once schooling is complete unless they are offered permanent positions and offer of permanent employment is not that common due to their lack of permanent resident status/citizenship/clearance etc.

As for relocating, that may happen in some cases but it is not common due to high cost and other issues such as obtaining new jobs etc. with relocating.

In my experience (my parents are Asians who came over in the 1950's), many of the Asians who come over for family connections do so for education and are sponsored by the family members. They come to attend school here and stay and they do tend to be among the cream of the crop. I've seen many, many families where the smartest of the cousins comes to the US and are sponsored by the one family member who came over in the previous generation (the uncle or aunt). That family member sponsors them, they study and they stay and they end up sponsoring the next of the cousins/nieces/nephews who will come over. So your two categories, those with family connections and those coming for education include a largely overlapping subset of the more intelligent members of large families who can stay beyond student visas. I've personally seen hundreds of such candidates.

Even the broke Asians that come over here focus on education.

It's interesting, but no one wants to admit it. Asians focus on education to get ahead and hope their kids have a better life.

Blacks and Hispanics focus less on education and instead, complain to the man that they are being held back.

Blacks should have an advantage over other minorities because they actually spoke the English language, but someone that language has evolved into ebonics.

So much ignorance in your post. How I wish TJ were closed, so that people like you would have one less soapbox from which to expound your misguided theories about Asian superiority.

How is saying Asians focus on education compared to other groups expounding Asian superiority? How is focusing on education a basis for wanting TJ closed? Your post doesn't make sense.

Blacks focus too much on becoming the next Lebron, the next MJ, the next Deion Sanders, the next RG3, rapper, sports agent, basketball summer league organizer, etc.

Please let Neil deGrasse Tyson know your views. You can tweet to him @neiltyson

https://twitter.com/neiltyson

Honestly, the fact that he's famous has a lot more to do with the fact that he's Black than it does with anything he's done that's exceptional. He's obviously super-bright (all PhD physicists are) but whipping out a single example isn't exactly evidence. Google "Black Astrophysicist" the vast majority of the hits are for him.

Or maybe the fact that he's hot and funny and supersmart and (on the face of it at least) incredibly charming? I just have the biggest crush on him...

--signed "hot (white) mama"

PP here; that certainly doesn't hurt

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of the reasons that Asians in the US are overrepresented in academic achievements is because you have a unbalanced sample set. The majority of the Asians who come to the US do so to come for college, graduate school or to accept high tech or otherwise highly skilled positions. It is very difficult for Asians to emigrate to the US except for academic reasons. Many other races have alternative means of emigrating to the US, but education and highly skilled positions are the vast majority of the opportunities for Asians. So, you have an exceptionally highly intelligent subset of Asians that become US immigrants and end up staying in the US. The average and even slightly above average Asian students don't come to the US. These Asians then breed offspring who tend to be more intelligent than average for their race. That plus most Asian cultures stress academic achievement as a standard make them more competitive in academic situations.

The reason that TJ and selective schools tend to be overrepresented vs other public schools is that Asians place such a high stress on education that many of them will try to send their children to advance or magnet programs even if they have to move to do so and fewer leave their children in public schools, so you have a higher percentage of the Asian population going to select schools leaving fewer in the public school system.

Actually many Asians come to US based on family connections more so than based on employment. In addition, Asians who come to US on student visas to attend colleges/graduate schools are on temporary visas so they must leave US once schooling is complete unless they are offered permanent positions and offer of permanent employment is not that common due to their lack of permanent resident status/citizenship/clearance etc.

As for relocating, that may happen in some cases but it is not common due to high cost and other issues such as obtaining new jobs etc. with relocating.

In my experience (my parents are Asians who came over in the 1950's), many of the Asians who come over for family connections do so for education and are sponsored by the family members. They come to attend school here and stay and they do tend to be among the cream of the crop. I've seen many, many families where the smartest of the cousins comes to the US and are sponsored by the one family member who came over in the previous generation (the uncle or aunt). That family member sponsors them, they study and they stay and they end up sponsoring the next of the cousins/nieces/nephews who will come over. So your two categories, those with family connections and those coming for education include a largely overlapping subset of the more intelligent members of large families who can stay beyond student visas. I've personally seen hundreds of such candidates.

Even the broke Asians that come over here focus on education.

It's interesting, but no one wants to admit it. Asians focus on education to get ahead and hope their kids have a better life.

Blacks and Hispanics focus less on education and instead, complain to the man that they are being held back.

Blacks should have an advantage over other minorities because they actually spoke the English language, but someone that language has evolved into ebonics.

So much ignorance in your post. How I wish TJ were closed, so that people like you would have one less soapbox from which to expound your misguided theories about Asian superiority.

How is saying Asians focus on education compared to other groups expounding Asian superiority? How is focusing on education a basis for wanting TJ closed? Your post doesn't make sense.

Blacks focus too much on becoming the next Lebron, the next MJ, the next Deion Sanders, the next RG3, rapper, sports agent, basketball summer league organizer, etc.

Please let Neil deGrasse Tyson know your views. You can tweet to him @neiltyson

https://twitter.com/neiltyson

Honestly, the fact that he's famous has a lot more to do with the fact that he's Black than it does with anything he's done that's exceptional. He's obviously super-bright (all PhD physicists are) but whipping out a single example isn't exactly evidence. Google "Black Astrophysicist" the vast majority of the hits are for him.

Or maybe the fact that he's hot and funny and supersmart and (on the face of it at least) incredibly charming? I just have the biggest crush on him...

--signed "hot (white) mama"

PP here; that certainly doesn't hurt

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's an old saw that says that a dying man seldom regrets that "he didn't work hard enough".. think about what is important to you.

Exactly. Not every hoop must be jumped through. Only the ones that work toward your own goals.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I think they should make TJ all Asian.

I love you!

Give it time...natural progression.

Before you know it though, there will be quotas on # of Asians admitted. The state of California imposes quotas on Asians admitted into the California state university system.

I thought California was one of the 7 States that bans use of race in college admissions. However, other States and Private Universities use quotas on Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's an old saw that says that a dying man seldom regrets that "he didn't work hard enough".. think about what is important to you.

Except that is complete BS. Lots of people have regrets late in life about what they made of themselves, and feel that they didn't take advantage of all the opportunities they could when they were young. (Especially those opportunities where you had to make decisions as a young person to give up free time.) Maybe people with no accomplishments would never say that, but do people who achieve mastery in their field really regret putting in the time and the effort?

I just think it is a dumb thing to say. My father died (of cancer) in his fifties and regretted many things, like not getting to have grandkids, but was rightfully proud of all the work he had done to build his small business. For many people, personal achievement is what is important to them, and in many fields that means a lot of hard work.

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Anonymous wrote:There's an old saw that says that a dying man seldom regrets that "he didn't work hard enough".. think about what is important to you.

Except that is complete BS. Lots of people have regrets late in life about what they made of themselves, and feel that they didn't take advantage of all the opportunities they could when they were young. (Especially those opportunities where you had to make decisions as a young person to give up free time.) Maybe people with no accomplishments would never say that, but do people who achieve mastery in their field really regret putting in the time and the effort?

I just think it is a dumb thing to say. My father died (of cancer) in his fifties and regretted many things, like not getting to have grandkids, but was rightfully proud of all the work he had done to build his small business. For many people, personal achievement is what is important to them, and in many fields that means a lot of hard work.

What people regret is working so hard that they neglect to make time for their family and friends. People who achieve balance in terms of work and important relationships do not regret hard work that leads to achievements. People who put so much time into work that they end up with weak or broken personal relationships do tend to regret that they didn't recognize that there is a time and a place for everything in life.