So many minorities in the government

[Anonymous]

So I guess now if white folk are not given an expected(by some, not all) advantage and preference -- they are clearly being discriminated against. 'Cause Lord knows no black or brown woman could ever be more qualified than said white folk.

[Anonymous]

If you are a black woman disabled veteran with native american blood you are good to get anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are a black woman disabled veteran with native american blood you are good to get anything

Tell that to all the disabled vets begging over on rockville pike.
Some of you people are really living in a bubble of your own freaking making. You make up how the world is, no foot in reality at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not racist to acknowledge that the government has hiring preferences for minorities. My husband, who has been a senior government employee, has been told multiple times that positions are reserved for women and minorities. Luckily, he is in the private sector and thriving well. When the government people contact him asking for suggestions for possible appointees, though, they now almost always specify they are seeking women and minorities. I am all for diversity, but this has really gone too far.

And you and the OP KNOW that this is why the OP had not been hired? Do you or the OP know that a minority ultimately got the job that she sought? See...I have learned in my career that many people just do not want to accept the fact that they are not qualified or that they interviewed poorly. So they speculate and come up with external factors as to why they did not get the job. Believe it or not, the government job market is VERY competitive for positions that require a college degree. For all we know, OP applied for a position with 1000 applicants.

I am the poster you are quoting. No, I do not know her, nor do I know why she has not been hired. As a more general matter, though, there is, at least at the higher levels, a clear preference to hire people who are either minorities or women. In some areas the priority is to hire women, in some areas to hire certain categories of minorities, and in some areas simply not to hire additional Caucasian men. I am quite familiar with senior personnel in several agencies who are regularly asked for potential candidates for appointment. It is not a state secret that what this administration is seeking is a group of minorities and women. In my view, that has both positive and negative policy and practical consequences, but overall I think it has gone too far. To deny that this preferential treatment of women and minorities exists, though, would be wholly disingenuous.

I won't deny it so long as you don't deny that we got here because of longstanding preferential treatment of White men.

Well, you can't deny what I said because it is factually true. But I don't actually think that inequalities in one direction need to be addressed by over-correcting in granting preferences. So, while I understand thoughtful people may have different views. I do not believe that past discrimination required the current, in my view ridiculous, set of hiring priorities. We are not a nation divided I to teams by gender and race such that unfair discrimination against one group in the past justifies unfair discrimination against another "team" today. All that does is continue the cycle of our natio. Losing out on top talent, of whatever race or gender, due to discrimination. So, yes, I do deny what you claim.

Well if you only see it one way, I am not sure I have anything to add. Providing opportunities for those who in recent history would not have gotten those opportunities is not ridiculous. Has it been a perfect execution? No, and many minorities would share that view because of the stigma attached with Affirmative Action et al. It is hard to argue with the underlying philosophy though, IMO. Anyways, many of the top companies and agencies see that there are compelling business reasons to have a diverse workforce. Hopefully, by the time our kids are grown, it will primarily be a market driven concept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a black woman disabled veteran with native american blood you are good to get anything

Tell that to all the disabled vets begging over on rockville pike.
Some of you people are really living in a bubble of your own freaking making. You make up how the world is, no foot in reality at all.

Hey suck my balls bitch, my dad was a disabled vet fed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They already know the ropes as to how to get into the country legally or otherwise, and they make sure they know how to land cake government jobs. Simple as that.

Jeez, generalize much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a black woman disabled veteran with native american blood you are good to get anything

Tell that to all the disabled vets begging over on rockville pike.
Some of you people are really living in a bubble of your own freaking making. You make up how the world is, no foot in reality at all.

Hey suck my balls bitch, my dad was a disabled vet fed.

UH...did u miss the point of what I was saying...or maybe you missed your afternoon medication...
The previous poster was saying that black women disabled vets with native american blood can get anything...
The point of MY POST was to say -- that is not true -- you have a lot of disabled vets who are in need -- I see them begging over on the pike EVERYDAY!
In other words -- they are not getting handouts like the other poster was implying...
Do you not understand?
Tell me what you are not understanding....
Or just get Nurse Ratchet to give you that dosage you missed earlier

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh geez....I was going to add some tips. I am a hiring officer in my agency and I am a minority. Never mind! I am not in the mood for this "White people as victims" crap.

Be lucky you have never been told that you cannot have a job due to race. I was with one of the local government's. There are very few white people hired. I was told by my white supervisor that she was instructed to hire a minority. I got very lucky with her but there was clear discrimination and it was obvious by who was getting promoted (people who we had to help do their work as they couldn't hack it).

Well, now I guess you know how black people have felt for the last few hundred years (and I didn't want to say this -- but your dumbass post just brought it out of me)

So currently white people are responsible for what happened 100's of years ago? That's your "so there" statement?

(DP here.) No, but white people benefit. I descended from abolitionists who ran a stop on the Underground Railroad so ancestrally speaking I should get a free pass. But I still have benefited nearly every day of my life from being white. I know that as soon as I walk into the vast majority of rooms in this country that people will see me as someone who belongs there. Doesn't matter whether we did anything to anyone in the past. If we benefit now, we need to recognize that and work to make things better.

[Anonymous]

You are being blocked by vets.

Go in as a contractor, create relationships and have a friend give you a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My degree and background is in Public Health and I've been applying for Public Health Analyst position. Any suggestions on how I can obtain this position?

Wow, my daughter is majoring in this. Didn't think it would be hard to land a position with that degree in this area. It must be your resume.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not racist to acknowledge that the government has hiring preferences for minorities. My husband, who has been a senior government employee, has been told multiple times that positions are reserved for women and minorities. Luckily, he is in the private sector and thriving well. When the government people contact him asking for suggestions for possible appointees, though, they now almost always specify they are seeking women and minorities. I am all for diversity, but this has really gone too far.

And you and the OP KNOW that this is why the OP had not been hired? Do you or the OP know that a minority ultimately got the job that she sought? See...I have learned in my career that many people just do not want to accept the fact that they are not qualified or that they interviewed poorly. So they speculate and come up with external factors as to why they did not get the job. Believe it or not, the government job market is VERY competitive for positions that require a college degree. For all we know, OP applied for a position with 1000 applicants.

I am the poster you are quoting. No, I do not know her, nor do I know why she has not been hired. As a more general matter, though, there is, at least at the higher levels, a clear preference to hire people who are either minorities or women. In some areas the priority is to hire women, in some areas to hire certain categories of minorities, and in some areas simply not to hire additional Caucasian men. I am quite familiar with senior personnel in several agencies who are regularly asked for potential candidates for appointment. It is not a state secret that what this administration is seeking is a group of minorities and women. In my view, that has both positive and negative policy and practical consequences, but overall I think it has gone too far. To deny that this preferential treatment of women and minorities exists, though, would be wholly disingenuous.

I won't deny it so long as you don't deny that we got here because of longstanding preferential treatment of White men.

Well, you can't deny what I said because it is factually true. But I don't actually think that inequalities in one direction need to be addressed by over-correcting in granting preferences. So, while I understand thoughtful people may have different views. I do not believe that past discrimination required the current, in my view ridiculous, set of hiring priorities. We are not a nation divided I to teams by gender and race such that unfair discrimination against one group in the past justifies unfair discrimination against another "team" today. All that does is continue the cycle of our natio. Losing out on top talent, of whatever race or gender, due to discrimination. So, yes, I do deny what you claim.

Well if you only see it one way, I am not sure I have anything to add. Providing opportunities for those who in recent history would not have gotten those opportunities is not ridiculous. Has it been a perfect execution? No, and many minorities would share that view because of the stigma attached with Affirmative Action et al. It is hard to argue with the underlying philosophy though, IMO. Anyways, many of the top companies and agencies see that there are compelling business reasons to have a diverse workforce. Hopefully, by the time our kids are grown, it will primarily be a market driven concept.

Well, it's not that I can only see things one way, I just disagree on degree. You talk about "those" who have discriminated against, when I think the more accurate description is "those who are of the same race or gender as people who had been discriminated against." Again, I simply think its time we put the groupings in the background and focus on engaging the best talent. Really, people being asked to refer candidates but being told only to refer women and minorities, and for senior positions. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are being blocked by vets.

Go in as a contractor, create relationships and have a friend give you a job.

I don't know about the friend part, but, yes, the vet trumps all. I wonder why nobody is complaining about them. Only the darn unqualified women and minorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are a black woman disabled veteran with native american blood you are good to get anything

Tell that to all the disabled vets begging over on rockville pike.
Some of you people are really living in a bubble of your own freaking making. You make up how the world is, no foot in reality at all.

Hey suck my balls bitch, my dad was a disabled vet fed.

UH...did u miss the point of what I was saying...or maybe you missed your afternoon medication...
The previous poster was saying that black women disabled vets with native american blood can get anything...
The point of MY POST was to say -- that is not true -- you have a lot of disabled vets who are in need -- I see them begging over on the pike EVERYDAY!
In other words -- they are not getting handouts like the other poster was implying...
Do you not understand?
Tell me what you are not understanding....
Or just get Nurse Ratchet to give you that dosage you missed earlier

Suck my balls again. Just because there are a few vets down and out or have mental illnesses doesn't characterize them. If you are of sound and fit mind and have a degree you can be easily hired using the point system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh geez....I was going to add some tips. I am a hiring officer in my agency and I am a minority. Never mind! I am not in the mood for this "White people as victims" crap.

Be lucky you have never been told that you cannot have a job due to race. I was with one of the local government's. There are very few white people hired. I was told by my white supervisor that she was instructed to hire a minority. I got very lucky with her but there was clear discrimination and it was obvious by who was getting promoted (people who we had to help do their work as they couldn't hack it).

You are seriously advising a minority to feel lucky that she has never been been told that she has been denied a job due to race? Here's some news, since the beginning of the United States, minorities have been denied jobs due to race and whether we are told that or not, we are aware of it.

Ex-friggin-actly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not racist to acknowledge that the government has hiring preferences for minorities. My husband, who has been a senior government employee, has been told multiple times that positions are reserved for women and minorities. Luckily, he is in the private sector and thriving well. When the government people contact him asking for suggestions for possible appointees, though, they now almost always specify they are seeking women and minorities. I am all for diversity, but this has really gone too far.

And you and the OP KNOW that this is why the OP had not been hired? Do you or the OP know that a minority ultimately got the job that she sought? See...I have learned in my career that many people just do not want to accept the fact that they are not qualified or that they interviewed poorly. So they speculate and come up with external factors as to why they did not get the job. Believe it or not, the government job market is VERY competitive for positions that require a college degree. For all we know, OP applied for a position with 1000 applicants.

I am the poster you are quoting. No, I do not know her, nor do I know why she has not been hired. As a more general matter, though, there is, at least at the higher levels, a clear preference to hire people who are either minorities or women. In some areas the priority is to hire women, in some areas to hire certain categories of minorities, and in some areas simply not to hire additional Caucasian men. I am quite familiar with senior personnel in several agencies who are regularly asked for potential candidates for appointment. It is not a state secret that what this administration is seeking is a group of minorities and women. In my view, that has both positive and negative policy and practical consequences, but overall I think it has gone too far. To deny that this preferential treatment of women and minorities exists, though, would be wholly disingenuous.

I won't deny it so long as you don't deny that we got here because of longstanding preferential treatment of White men.

Well, you can't deny what I said because it is factually true. But I don't actually think that inequalities in one direction need to be addressed by over-correcting in granting preferences. So, while I understand thoughtful people may have different views. I do not believe that past discrimination required the current, in my view ridiculous, set of hiring priorities. We are not a nation divided I to teams by gender and race such that unfair discrimination against one group in the past justifies unfair discrimination against another "team" today. All that does is continue the cycle of our natio. Losing out on top talent, of whatever race or gender, due to discrimination. So, yes, I do deny what you claim.

Well if you only see it one way, I am not sure I have anything to add. Providing opportunities for those who in recent history would not have gotten those opportunities is not ridiculous. Has it been a perfect execution? No, and many minorities would share that view because of the stigma attached with Affirmative Action et al. It is hard to argue with the underlying philosophy though, IMO. Anyways, many of the top companies and agencies see that there are compelling business reasons to have a diverse workforce. Hopefully, by the time our kids are grown, it will primarily be a market driven concept.

Well, it's not that I can only see things one way, I just disagree on degree. You talk about "those" who have discriminated against, when I think the more accurate description is "those who are of the same race or gender as people who had been discriminated against." Again, I simply think its time we put the groupings in the background and focus on engaging the best talent. Really, people being asked to refer candidates but being told only to refer women and minorities, and for senior positions. Ridiculous.

You know why? Because so many people only see talent and qualifications in the people who look like them and have been in place FOR.EV.ER.
What don't you get about that? Some people have to be told to cast a wider net -- otherwise the only people they would even interview look like Jimbo Fisher from the country club. I guess you don't understand how discrimination works.