Who is hating on the Catholics?

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You mean there's corrupt people in the biggest bureaucratic institution in the world? Shocker. Kinda like the Teacher's Union and public school districts who cover up for all their incompetent, lazy, bullying, abusive teachers? Hope you don't send your kids to public schools. Oh wait, this is DC, I forgot, everyone sends their kids to elitist private schools/academies.

Your attempt to make a (false) equivalence between corruption in covering up massive, long-histories of child rape in the Catholic church, and lazy teaching or union corruption, doesn't help the opinion of the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring - and that many Catholics (not all), still make excuses for their centuries-long (perhaps inception-long) history of raping children.



PP again. So basically, there are two anti-Catholic bigots here, and both of you also happen to be anti-union freaks who hate on teachers and public schools.

I'm done with this forum. For the record, I'm not Catholic and my kids have attended private and public schools. But two bigotted, union-hating public school-bashers is two too many unsavory posters for me.

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You mean there's corrupt people in the biggest bureaucratic institution in the world? Shocker. Kinda like the Teacher's Union and public school districts who cover up for all their incompetent, lazy, bullying, abusive teachers? Hope you don't send your kids to public schools. Oh wait, this is DC, I forgot, everyone sends their kids to elitist private schools/academies.

Your attempt to make a (false) equivalence between corruption in covering up massive, long-histories of child rape in the Catholic church, and lazy teaching or union corruption, doesn't help the opinion of the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring - and that many Catholics (not all), still make excuses for their centuries-long (perhaps inception-long) history of raping children.

PP again. So basically, there are two anti-Catholic bigots here, and both of you also happen to be anti-union freaks who hate on teachers and public schools.

I'm done with this forum. For the record, I'm not Catholic and my kids have attended private and public schools. But two bigotted, union-hating public school-bashers is two too many unsavory posters for me.

I'm not sure how on earth you're gathering any of the above from PP's post. The didn't bash unions or public schools, and pointing out facts about an institution does not make anyone bigoted.

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I'm a former Catholic and I could be considered as "hating on the Catholics." I'd describe myself currently as agnostic.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a former Catholic and I could be considered as "hating on the Catholics." I'd describe myself currently as agnostic.

OP here. Why criticise them rather than church practice or doctrine?

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Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that sex abuse by Catholic clergy is at around the same rate as clergy in general.

But there is, generally no global institutional cover-up of sex abuse by teachers.

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The rate of rapist priest is one element. The other is the number of people engaged in a coverup, excuse-making, and hushing of rapist priests. The Catholic Church is basically a massive pedophile ring. that doesn't mean that lay people and ordinary Catholics are involved in that pedophile ring, but the institution functions as such as part of their operations, throughout their hierarchy. There is simply no other way to describe it other than a pedophile ring, with the level and lengthy history of transfers and cover up.

I was not brought up Catholic, but my mom was - and she was raped in her Catholic Church. Many ordinary Catholic people are decent people, but there's no way in hell you could get her to want to go back to such a fucked up institution.

You mean there's corrupt people in the biggest bureaucratic institution in the world? Shocker. Kinda like the Teacher's Union and public school districts who cover up for all their incompetent, lazy, bullying, abusive teachers? Hope you don't send your kids to public schools. Oh wait, this is DC, I forgot, everyone sends their kids to elitist private schools/academies.

Your attempt to make a (false) equivalence between corruption in covering up massive, long-histories of child rape in the Catholic church, and lazy teaching or union corruption, doesn't help the opinion of the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring - and that many Catholics (not all), still make excuses for their centuries-long (perhaps inception-long) history of raping children.

No, I'm just tired of hearing the same old tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude that an entire religious group who has done more charitable work than any other religious group in the world is ultimately nothing more than a scandalous pedophile ring. And dismissing the crime of one group of individuals while demonizing another is a double standard.

No, it's not a double standard. No one's saying that there's no rape and molestation of children by other religious groups or in other facets of community life. But for you to use those other examples (which are very, very different and without the same institutional manipulation and cover up) is a distraction to the Catholic Church's crimes. That you describe this as a "tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude" is seriously fucking appalling. I'm sorry to swear, but there's no other way to describe it. You're belittling it. You're not listening.

And sorry, but the the "more charitable work" argument is debatable, as a lot of things that some people deem as "charitable," are incredibly harmful and dangerous for local populations. I'm looking at you, proselytizing missionaries.

The more Catholics try and make distractions concerning the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring, the more they damage their reputation. Not all Catholics do that, but a lot do. Stop making excuses.

You realize your casting a broad, bigoted, generalization about an entire religion, right? Would you do the same about Islam, because a similar bigoted generalization is that they are a religion of violence and hate?

Who's casting a generalization about an entire religion? I'm not talking about the people or even the theological beliefs. I'm talking about the institution, which, among it's functions, includes functioning as a pedophile ring. I come from a Muslim background (but am an atheist), and have plenty of criticism about Islam. But there's no institution in the religion. There's no head, no body, no organization. That may actually be a big structural flaw, but it does not in any way carry the same parallel concerning the institution of the Catholic Church's pedophile and child rape functions. I'm disgusted that you think it's "bigoted" to call out and hold accountable the hierarchy and structure for their responsibility in standing by idly (at best), and underhandedly encouraging child rape (at worst). I think that says more about you, than it does me. Pointing that out is "bigoted?" What the hell is your mind?

Dude, my point is that you're whole hatred for the Catholic religion is based on the infallible nature of man. Priests sin, bishops sin, cardinals sin, the pope sins. Man is imperfect. But the teachings of the Church, the foundations of faith and morals, the principles and teachings are greater than the sins of men within the institution. It's like you're hyper focused on one issue, while ignoring the beauty of the faith. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not all priests/clergy committed these heinous crimes; in fact it's a small minority. Yet you're determined to demonize the entire institution/religion regardless of situation. If you're a hammer looking for nails, then all you're going to see are the nails. If you're so caught up on one aspect of how the Church fucked up, then you're only going to see that aspect of it. Live and let live man.

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Jack T. Chick.

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Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that sex abuse by Catholic clergy is at around the same rate as clergy in general.

But there is, generally no global institutional cover-up of sex abuse by teachers.

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The rate of rapist priest is one element. The other is the number of people engaged in a coverup, excuse-making, and hushing of rapist priests. The Catholic Church is basically a massive pedophile ring. that doesn't mean that lay people and ordinary Catholics are involved in that pedophile ring, but the institution functions as such as part of their operations, throughout their hierarchy. There is simply no other way to describe it other than a pedophile ring, with the level and lengthy history of transfers and cover up.

I was not brought up Catholic, but my mom was - and she was raped in her Catholic Church. Many ordinary Catholic people are decent people, but there's no way in hell you could get her to want to go back to such a fucked up institution.

You mean there's corrupt people in the biggest bureaucratic institution in the world? Shocker. Kinda like the Teacher's Union and public school districts who cover up for all their incompetent, lazy, bullying, abusive teachers? Hope you don't send your kids to public schools. Oh wait, this is DC, I forgot, everyone sends their kids to elitist private schools/academies.

Your attempt to make a (false) equivalence between corruption in covering up massive, long-histories of child rape in the Catholic church, and lazy teaching or union corruption, doesn't help the opinion of the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring - and that many Catholics (not all), still make excuses for their centuries-long (perhaps inception-long) history of raping children.

No, I'm just tired of hearing the same old tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude that an entire religious group who has done more charitable work than any other religious group in the world is ultimately nothing more than a scandalous pedophile ring. And dismissing the crime of one group of individuals while demonizing another is a double standard.

No, it's not a double standard. No one's saying that there's no rape and molestation of children by other religious groups or in other facets of community life. But for you to use those other examples (which are very, very different and without the same institutional manipulation and cover up) is a distraction to the Catholic Church's crimes. That you describe this as a "tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude" is seriously fucking appalling. I'm sorry to swear, but there's no other way to describe it. You're belittling it. You're not listening.

And sorry, but the the "more charitable work" argument is debatable, as a lot of things that some people deem as "charitable," are incredibly harmful and dangerous for local populations. I'm looking at you, proselytizing missionaries.

The more Catholics try and make distractions concerning the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring, the more they damage their reputation. Not all Catholics do that, but a lot do. Stop making excuses.

You realize your casting a broad, bigoted, generalization about an entire religion, right? Would you do the same about Islam, because a similar bigoted generalization is that they are a religion of violence and hate?

Who's casting a generalization about an entire religion? I'm not talking about the people or even the theological beliefs. I'm talking about the institution, which, among it's functions, includes functioning as a pedophile ring. I come from a Muslim background (but am an atheist), and have plenty of criticism about Islam. But there's no institution in the religion. There's no head, no body, no organization. That may actually be a big structural flaw, but it does not in any way carry the same parallel concerning the institution of the Catholic Church's pedophile and child rape functions. I'm disgusted that you think it's "bigoted" to call out and hold accountable the hierarchy and structure for their responsibility in standing by idly (at best), and underhandedly encouraging child rape (at worst). I think that says more about you, than it does me. Pointing that out is "bigoted?" What the hell is your mind?

Dude, my point is that you're whole hatred for the Catholic religion is based on the infallible nature of man. Priests sin, bishops sin, cardinals sin, the pope sins. Man is imperfect. But the teachings of the Church, the foundations of faith and morals, the principles and teachings are greater than the sins of men within the institution. It's like you're hyper focused on one issue, while ignoring the beauty of the faith. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not all priests/clergy committed these heinous crimes; in fact it's a small minority. Yet you're determined to demonize the entire institution/religion regardless of situation. If you're a hammer looking for nails, then all you're going to see are the nails. If you're so caught up on one aspect of how the Church fucked up, then you're only going to see that aspect of it. Live and let live man.

Sure individuals in positions of authority over the laity were raping kids, then when discovered, the kids and parents were hushed up, and the priests shuttled off to new parishes where they could rape again, with no warning given to their new charges. And of course there were people in the Church hierarchy that orchestrated this scheme, and have faced no repercussions whatsoever, and to this day hold positions of prestige and power. But *that's* not the institution. Stop hyper-focusing on the century old, institutional child raping--focus on the "beauty" of the words these men are saying.

No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Dude, my point is that you're whole hatred for the Catholic religion is based on the infallible nature of man. Priests sin, bishops sin, cardinals sin, the pope sins. Man is imperfect. But the teachings of the Church, the foundations of faith and morals, the principles and teachings are greater than the sins of men within the institution. It's like you're hyper focused on one issue, while ignoring the beauty of the faith. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not all priests/clergy committed these heinous crimes; in fact it's a small minority. Yet you're determined to demonize the entire institution/religion regardless of situation. If you're a hammer looking for nails, then all you're going to see are the nails. If you're so caught up on one aspect of how the Church fucked up, then you're only going to see that aspect of it. Live and let live man.

Sure Stalin was a monster, but we shouldn't criticize the Communists ruling the Soviet Union during the 40s because, however imperfectly they implemented the lovely ideas of Marx, it's not about the men, it's about the beauty of the ideas.

Sorry, institutions are comprised of people.

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Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that sex abuse by Catholic clergy is at around the same rate as clergy in general.

But there is, generally no global institutional cover-up of sex abuse by teachers.

+1

The rate of rapist priest is one element. The other is the number of people engaged in a coverup, excuse-making, and hushing of rapist priests. The Catholic Church is basically a massive pedophile ring. that doesn't mean that lay people and ordinary Catholics are involved in that pedophile ring, but the institution functions as such as part of their operations, throughout their hierarchy. There is simply no other way to describe it other than a pedophile ring, with the level and lengthy history of transfers and cover up.

I was not brought up Catholic, but my mom was - and she was raped in her Catholic Church. Many ordinary Catholic people are decent people, but there's no way in hell you could get her to want to go back to such a fucked up institution.

You mean there's corrupt people in the biggest bureaucratic institution in the world? Shocker. Kinda like the Teacher's Union and public school districts who cover up for all their incompetent, lazy, bullying, abusive teachers? Hope you don't send your kids to public schools. Oh wait, this is DC, I forgot, everyone sends their kids to elitist private schools/academies.

Your attempt to make a (false) equivalence between corruption in covering up massive, long-histories of child rape in the Catholic church, and lazy teaching or union corruption, doesn't help the opinion of the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring - and that many Catholics (not all), still make excuses for their centuries-long (perhaps inception-long) history of raping children.

No, I'm just tired of hearing the same old tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude that an entire religious group who has done more charitable work than any other religious group in the world is ultimately nothing more than a scandalous pedophile ring. And dismissing the crime of one group of individuals while demonizing another is a double standard.

No, it's not a double standard. No one's saying that there's no rape and molestation of children by other religious groups or in other facets of community life. But for you to use those other examples (which are very, very different and without the same institutional manipulation and cover up) is a distraction to the Catholic Church's crimes. That you describe this as a "tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude" is seriously fucking appalling. I'm sorry to swear, but there's no other way to describe it. You're belittling it. You're not listening.

And sorry, but the the "more charitable work" argument is debatable, as a lot of things that some people deem as "charitable," are incredibly harmful and dangerous for local populations. I'm looking at you, proselytizing missionaries.

The more Catholics try and make distractions concerning the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring, the more they damage their reputation. Not all Catholics do that, but a lot do. Stop making excuses.

You realize your casting a broad, bigoted, generalization about an entire religion, right? Would you do the same about Islam, because a similar bigoted generalization is that they are a religion of violence and hate?

Who's casting a generalization about an entire religion? I'm not talking about the people or even the theological beliefs. I'm talking about the institution, which, among it's functions, includes functioning as a pedophile ring. I come from a Muslim background (but am an atheist), and have plenty of criticism about Islam. But there's no institution in the religion. There's no head, no body, no organization. That may actually be a big structural flaw, but it does not in any way carry the same parallel concerning the institution of the Catholic Church's pedophile and child rape functions. I'm disgusted that you think it's "bigoted" to call out and hold accountable the hierarchy and structure for their responsibility in standing by idly (at best), and underhandedly encouraging child rape (at worst). I think that says more about you, than it does me. Pointing that out is "bigoted?" What the hell is your mind?

Dude, my point is that you're whole hatred for the Catholic religion is based on the infallible nature of man. Priests sin, bishops sin, cardinals sin, the pope sins. Man is imperfect. But the teachings of the Church, the foundations of faith and morals, the principles and teachings are greater than the sins of men within the institution. It's like you're hyper focused on one issue, while ignoring the beauty of the faith. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not all priests/clergy committed these heinous crimes; in fact it's a small minority. Yet you're determined to demonize the entire institution/religion regardless of situation. If you're a hammer looking for nails, then all you're going to see are the nails. If you're so caught up on one aspect of how the Church fucked up, then you're only going to see that aspect of it. Live and let live man.

Sure individuals in positions of authority over the laity were raping kids, then when discovered, the kids and parents were hushed up, and the priests shuttled off to new parishes where they could rape again, with no warning given to their new charges. And of course there were people in the Church hierarchy that orchestrated this scheme, and have faced no repercussions whatsoever, and to this day hold positions of prestige and power. But *that's* not the institution. Stop hyper-focusing on the century old, institutional child raping--focus on the "beauty" of the words these men are saying.

No thanks.

Again, if we were having the same conversation about Islam, you would be considered a bigoted, ignorant, intolerant, prick. We get it, you hate the Catholic church, duly noted. But how about showing some respect for other people's religion/religious beliefs, and keep your bigoted, ignorant, intolerant comments to yourself?

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Everyone but the catholics themselves?

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NP - I don't think there are catholic haters on this board. Everyone from Lon Solomon, McLean Bible Church, the Baptists, etc. to the Mormons all get beat up. I don't "Hate" the Catholic church, but based upon first-hand long-time behavior of my mother-in-law, her biddy friends, my Catholic friends, and a horrendous experience at a private parochial school, my family will never become Catholic. I don't want to become that sort of person nor do they. For some reason (guilt? "We are going to heaven and you're not? I have no idea) Catholics seem to act in the least Christian way and hurt those around them through snobbery, gossip, uncharitable acts or narcississtic acts. Just IMHO.

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Anonymous wrote:What we do know is that sex abuse by Catholic clergy is at around the same rate as clergy in general.

But there is, generally no global institutional cover-up of sex abuse by teachers.

+1

The rate of rapist priest is one element. The other is the number of people engaged in a coverup, excuse-making, and hushing of rapist priests. The Catholic Church is basically a massive pedophile ring. that doesn't mean that lay people and ordinary Catholics are involved in that pedophile ring, but the institution functions as such as part of their operations, throughout their hierarchy. There is simply no other way to describe it other than a pedophile ring, with the level and lengthy history of transfers and cover up.

I was not brought up Catholic, but my mom was - and she was raped in her Catholic Church. Many ordinary Catholic people are decent people, but there's no way in hell you could get her to want to go back to such a fucked up institution.

You mean there's corrupt people in the biggest bureaucratic institution in the world? Shocker. Kinda like the Teacher's Union and public school districts who cover up for all their incompetent, lazy, bullying, abusive teachers? Hope you don't send your kids to public schools. Oh wait, this is DC, I forgot, everyone sends their kids to elitist private schools/academies.

Your attempt to make a (false) equivalence between corruption in covering up massive, long-histories of child rape in the Catholic church, and lazy teaching or union corruption, doesn't help the opinion of the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring - and that many Catholics (not all), still make excuses for their centuries-long (perhaps inception-long) history of raping children.

No, I'm just tired of hearing the same old tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude that an entire religious group who has done more charitable work than any other religious group in the world is ultimately nothing more than a scandalous pedophile ring. And dismissing the crime of one group of individuals while demonizing another is a double standard.

No, it's not a double standard. No one's saying that there's no rape and molestation of children by other religious groups or in other facets of community life. But for you to use those other examples (which are very, very different and without the same institutional manipulation and cover up) is a distraction to the Catholic Church's crimes. That you describe this as a "tired, worn out, narrow minded attitude" is seriously fucking appalling. I'm sorry to swear, but there's no other way to describe it. You're belittling it. You're not listening.

And sorry, but the the "more charitable work" argument is debatable, as a lot of things that some people deem as "charitable," are incredibly harmful and dangerous for local populations. I'm looking at you, proselytizing missionaries.

The more Catholics try and make distractions concerning the Catholic Church as a pedophile ring, the more they damage their reputation. Not all Catholics do that, but a lot do. Stop making excuses.

You realize your casting a broad, bigoted, generalization about an entire religion, right? Would you do the same about Islam, because a similar bigoted generalization is that they are a religion of violence and hate?

Who's casting a generalization about an entire religion? I'm not talking about the people or even the theological beliefs. I'm talking about the institution, which, among it's functions, includes functioning as a pedophile ring. I come from a Muslim background (but am an atheist), and have plenty of criticism about Islam. But there's no institution in the religion. There's no head, no body, no organization. That may actually be a big structural flaw, but it does not in any way carry the same parallel concerning the institution of the Catholic Church's pedophile and child rape functions. I'm disgusted that you think it's "bigoted" to call out and hold accountable the hierarchy and structure for their responsibility in standing by idly (at best), and underhandedly encouraging child rape (at worst). I think that says more about you, than it does me. Pointing that out is "bigoted?" What the hell is your mind?

Dude, my point is that you're whole hatred for the Catholic religion is based on the infallible nature of man. Priests sin, bishops sin, cardinals sin, the pope sins. Man is imperfect. But the teachings of the Church, the foundations of faith and morals, the principles and teachings are greater than the sins of men within the institution. It's like you're hyper focused on one issue, while ignoring the beauty of the faith. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Not all priests/clergy committed these heinous crimes; in fact it's a small minority. Yet you're determined to demonize the entire institution/religion regardless of situation. If you're a hammer looking for nails, then all you're going to see are the nails. If you're so caught up on one aspect of how the Church fucked up, then you're only going to see that aspect of it. Live and let live man.

Sure individuals in positions of authority over the laity were raping kids, then when discovered, the kids and parents were hushed up, and the priests shuttled off to new parishes where they could rape again, with no warning given to their new charges. And of course there were people in the Church hierarchy that orchestrated this scheme, and have faced no repercussions whatsoever, and to this day hold positions of prestige and power. But *that's* not the institution. Stop hyper-focusing on the century old, institutional child raping--focus on the "beauty" of the words these men are saying.

No thanks.

Again, if we were having the same conversation about Islam, you would be considered a bigoted, ignorant, intolerant, prick. We get it, you hate the Catholic church, duly noted. But how about showing some respect for other people's religion/religious beliefs, and keep your bigoted, ignorant, intolerant comments to yourself?

This is absolute horseshit, or based on your lack of understanding about religious differences. There is no leader of Islam. There is no institution. No organization. No hierarchy. Nothing that structurally resembles Catholicism in the slightest. That may cause other problems, but it's there is no comparison to Islam because it's structurally, comparably impossible.

You know what Catholics can do to improve the image about their institution? Stop doing some kind of distraction switcharoo, telling people "hey! look what's going on over there!" when there is rampant and institutional child rape going on in their organization. Stop running from it, and confront it head on. I have FAR more respect for Catholics that don't try and play distraction games about the crimes in their church. They condemn it, they openly denounce it regularly, and they don't try and point elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote: For some reason Catholics seem to act in the least Christian way and hurt those around them through snobbery, gossip, uncharitable acts or narcississtic acts. Just IMHO.

Sounds like your typical DC/MD/NOVA resident, actually. That's quite the broad brush you're casting. Just like Muslims are terrorists, Jews are rich, elitist snobs, etc. There are douchebags in all walks of life.

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This is absolute horseshit, or based on your lack of understanding about religious differences. There is no leader of Islam. There is no institution. No organization. No hierarchy. Nothing that structurally resembles Catholicism in the slightest. That may cause other problems, but it's there is no comparison to Islam because it's structurally, comparably impossible.

You know what Catholics can do to improve the image about their institution? Stop doing some kind of distraction switcharoo, telling people "hey! look what's going on over there!" when there is rampant and institutional child rape going on in their organization. Stop running from it, and confront it head on. I have FAR more respect for Catholics that don't try and play distraction games about the crimes in their church. They condemn it, they openly denounce it regularly, and they don't try and point elsewhere.

So what if there's no "leader?" The people who died on 9/11 were murdered in the name of Islam. As are all the other countless, senseless murders, beheadings, rape, etc. done in the name of Islam around the world. Should I hold the same contempt for Islam? Or should I focus instead on all the peaceful Muslims who peacefully, devoutly practice their religion, the same way Mother Theresa, countless Saints, and millions of Catholics do/have over the centuries.

Who's making excuses? I'm not arguing that there wasn't a sex scandal in the church, I acknowledge it, I condemn it, I despise it, and demand that it never happens again. But I don't perseverate on it like you do. I don't expect you to understand why I believe what I believe; you're not Catholic, and don't share the same beliefs about Christ's teachings.

But live and let live and move the fuck on already. Forgiveness is a virtue, I feel sorry that you carry around so much resentment toward a group of people who strive to live loving, charitable, virtuous lives.

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Anonymous wrote: For some reason Catholics seem to act in the least Christian way and hurt those around them through snobbery, gossip, uncharitable acts or narcississtic acts. Just IMHO.

Sounds like your typical DC/MD/NOVA resident, actually. That's quite the broad brush you're casting. Just like Muslims are terrorists, Jews are rich, elitist snobs, etc. There are douchebags in all walks of life.

ex catholic here. Yes every group has its douchebags, but some groups have more than their quota