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If your school an archdioscesan school or an independent one? |
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Parochial schools exist to educate the children of the families in the Catholic parish and instruct these children in the Catholic faith.
Parents, Catholic and non-Catholic, voluntarily choose to apply for admission to these schools. I don't see how an individual (or individuals) voluntarily applying to a private institution that openly and clearly states it's mission are giving up their right to free speech by signing such a pledge. Furthermore, the use of the words "publicly repudiate" are quite key. Why on earth would a parent even entertain the idea of applying to (much less actually sending their child) a school that has at its core teachings that the parent would feel compelled to "publicly repudiate?" However, if a parent disagrees with Church teaching on some point, there is nothing in this pledge that would preclude that parent from privately explaining to their child how their beliefs differ from the Church's teaching. My children have gone to both parish and independent Catholic schools. There have always been children of different faiths in their classes and I have never heard a word of upset from the parents of these children. I have not heard of this pledge or anything like it and don't expect that I will ever be asked to sign such a pledge. But I would have no problem signing it. |
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[quote=Anonymous]Parochial schools exist to educate the children of the families in the Catholic parish and instruct these children in the Catholic faith.
Parents, Catholic and non-Catholic, voluntarily choose to apply for admission to these schools. I don't see how an individual (or individuals) voluntarily applying to a private institution that openly and clearly states it's mission are giving up their right to free speech by signing such a pledge. Furthermore, the use of the words "publicly repudiate" are quite key. Why on earth would a parent even entertain the idea of applying to (much less actually sending their child) a school that has at its core teachings that the parent would feel compelled to "publicly repudiate?" However, if a parent disagrees with Church teaching on some point, there is nothing in this pledge that would preclude that parent from privately explaining to their child how their beliefs differ from the Church's teaching. My children have gone to both parish and independent Catholic schools. There have always been children of different faiths in their classes and I have never heard a word of upset from the parents of these children. I have not heard of this pledge or anything like it and don't expect that I will ever be asked to sign such a pledge. But I would have no problem signing it.[/quote] I think one case where I would publicly redpudiate Catholic teaching would be if what happened last year in Colorado, happened in a Catholic school in DC or MD. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/10/colorado-catholic-school-rejects-gay-parents-kids/ There are a lot of people in our local, parochial Catholic school who are Catholic, but also liberal. And they don't accept the Church's teachings on gay marriage. And they certainly don't think that a child living in a family where the child has 2 moms should be refused entrance to the school, as happened in Colorado. Apparently, the Catholic church heirarchy feels otherwise. And if parents protested the church's decision to refuyse to allow the 1st grader to reenroll, they feel that those parents will not be supporting the Church's teachings, and therefore their children should likewise be expelled from school. |
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[quote=Anonymous]Parochial schools exist to educate the children of the families in the Catholic parish and instruct these children in the Catholic faith.
Parents, Catholic and non-Catholic, voluntarily choose to apply for admission to these schools. I don't see how an individual (or individuals) voluntarily applying to a private institution that openly and clearly states it's mission are giving up their right to free speech by signing such a pledge. Furthermore, the use of the words "publicly repudiate" are quite key. Why on earth would a parent even entertain the idea of applying to (much less actually sending their child) a school that has at its core teachings that the parent would feel compelled to "publicly repudiate?" However, if a parent disagrees with Church teaching on some point, there is nothing in this pledge that would preclude that parent from privately explaining to their child how their beliefs differ from the Church's teaching. My children have gone to both parish and independent Catholic schools. There have always been children of different faiths in their classes and I have never heard a word of upset from the parents of these children. I have not heard of this pledge or anything like it and don't expect that I will ever be asked to sign such a pledge. But I would have no problem signing it.[/quote] I think one case where I would publicly redpudiate Catholic teaching would be if what happened last year in Colorado, happened in a Catholic school in DC or MD. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/10/colorado-catholic-school-rejects-gay-parents-kids/ There are a lot of people in our local, parochial Catholic school who are Catholic, but also liberal. And they don't accept the Church's teachings on gay marriage. And they certainly don't think that a child living in a family where the child has 2 moms should be refused entrance to the school, as happened in Colorado. Apparently, the Catholic church heirarchy feels otherwise. And if parents protested the church's decision to refuyse to allow the 1st grader to reenroll, they feel that those parents will not be supporting the Church's teachings, and therefore their children should likewise be expelled from school. |
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| sorry for the double post. And I don't know why the quote function isn't working for me! |
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PP one more time. And then I'll drop this. And for what it is worth, I was a life long Catholic (altar girl, everything) through college until I really looked at what the Church was and its policies and realized I couldn't support it.
This was the statement of the Archdioscese of Denver on why they refused to allow the child of two lesbians women to enter the school (kicked him out after preschool): http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/3513
I belive that the Archdiscese of Washington, with its requirements that parents sign their form, is heading in the same direction as the Archdiscese of Denver. Just go into it eyes open, even if you are Catholic, but don't agree 100% with Catholic teachings. |
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Every parent should go into any institution to which they entrust their children with their eyes open and they should keep them open. We are really talking about three categories: non-Catholics, Kind-of-Catholics and Catholics. The first two categories don't like many Catholic teachings. I don't understand why they insist that Catholic teaching should change to comport with their beliefs. They don't insist that certain Jewish sects, Muslims, Quakers, etc. alter their beliefs to suit the beliefs of the secular world. |
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Every parent should go into any institution to which they entrust their children with their eyes open and they should keep them open. We are really talking about three categories: non-Catholics, Kind-of-Catholics and Catholics. The first two categories don't like many Catholic teachings. I don't understand why they insist that Catholic teaching should change to comport with their beliefs. They don't insist that certain Jewish sects, Muslims, Quakers, etc. alter their beliefs to suit the beliefs of the secular world. [/quote] Do you think it is right to refuse entry to a Catholic school to a child because his parents don't follow [b] all [/b]the Church's teachings? Do you think children of divorced parents should not be allowed to be enrolled in a Catholic school? What about children whose parents use birth control? If your child is enrolled in Catholic school, and you wish to write a letter to the editor in support of a bill that protects the rights of pregnant women to end a pregnancy.... should you be fearful that you are publicly repudiating the teachings of the church? Even though you yourself aren't a Catholic theologian or teacher.... should your child be expelled from school because you aren't morally correct? |
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1) Divorce is not a sin. 2) There is NO good reason for anyone who does not believe in Catholic teachings to have their children educated by people who believe in Catholic teaching. If you are honest with yourself you will admit that the reason they do so is that they want to change the institution of the Church so that it reflects their values. 3) I don't want my children confused anymore than they already are by the popular culture. I certainly don't want them confused by a school that I pay good money to so that they can be educated in the tenants of the Catholic faith. I send them to Catholic schools for a reason. You don't like my reason and you want me to be denied the opportunity to have my children sheltered from things from which I want them sheltered. 4) Truth will out. You raise your children your way and I'll raise my mine way. I'm confident that when they reach adulthood my children will know what it means to be honest, tolerant, caring, and kind. Then they will be capable of deciding for themselves, with their own will, how they want to live their adult lives. |
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| How are non-Catholic boys and their families treated at Georgetown Prep by the teachers and staff? other boys? other families? |
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>>1) Divorce is not a sin. But is is contrary to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. My grandmother married a divorced man and was denied Communion until he died! I don't see how a divorced parent could in good conscience sign a statement that promised: "As the primary educator(s) of the applicant, I/We will not act in ways that contradict the Catholic nature of the school." >>2) There is NO good reason for anyone who does not believe in Catholic teachings to have their children educated by people who believe in Catholic teaching. If you are honest with yourself you will admit that the reason they do so is that they want to change the institution of the Church so that it reflects their values.[/quote] That was the answer I believe OP was looking for. Are non-Catholics welcome at Catholic schools? Your answer is a resounding NO!!! Good to know. Do you think most families feel that way? Do most teachers feel that way? A lot of people on this thread seemed to be telling OP don't worry, there are a lot of hot button issues I don't agree with, but no one brings them up. Well -- just watch out! >>3) I don't want my children confused anymore than they already are by the popular culture. I certainly don't want them confused by a school that I pay good money to so that they can be educated in the tenants of the Catholic faith. I send them to Catholic schools for a reason. You don't like my reason and you want me to be denied the opportunity to have my children sheltered from things from which I want them sheltered.[/quote] No, I want no such things. But I also don't want my children in a Catholic school! >>4) Truth will out. You raise your children your way and I'll raise my mine way. I'm confident that when they reach adulthood my children will know what it means to be honest, tolerant, caring, and kind. Then they will be capable of deciding for themselves, with their own will, how they want to live their adult lives.[/quote] Yes, but not tolerant of gays, right? |
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You just don't like the Catholic faith. And I daresay that you don't like many other religious faiths either. Do you caution people about Muslim or Jewish schools? Or is it just the Catholic faith that worries you?
There is a difference between being "divorced" and being "divorced and remarried outside the Church (i,e,without an annulment)." Anyone married in the Church knows this and willing takes those marriage vows. My grandmother was divorced and did not remarry. I thought she should have sought an annulment but she thought differently. I admired her for her commitment to her faith. “Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one’s own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.” – John Fitzgerald Kennedy I have many friends who are gay. They understand my beliefs and I understand their beliefs. Many people are surprised by these friendships. Both parties are tolerant of each other and would adamantly oppose any effort to oppress or persecute individuals on the other side of the issue, as would Catholic teaching. To suggest that any religious teaching that differs from your view of gay marriage oppresses or persecutes gays strips those words of their meaning. In some parts of the world religious groups (e.g., Islamic fundamentalists) do oppress and persecute gays; those groups are intolerant. |
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Do you think a child of lesbian parents should be expelled from Catholic school or not allowed to enroll? Assume at leat one parent wants the child in the Catholic school, but neither woman is willing to renouce her relationship with the other as sinful. |
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PP again -- to be very clear -- the child of the lesbian parents himself has not committed any sin whatsoever and wished to be in the Catholic school. The child is being expelled because his moms are sinful.
Do you agree this is OK? Would you as a parent of a child in that school protest this child's treatment? if you did, would you be OK with the school punishing YOUR child as well, because you are a parent did not support the Church's and school's decision? |
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cool it.
The school is not raising your kid. You are The catholic school kids are exposed drugs and sex and violence as much as children at other schools. Either way, I hope the catholic parents are shielding their children from the priests How many take the catholic teachings seriously? I think very few. The kids take the societys obsession with money and wealth and greed seriously. What do you think can be accomplished with 'I was hungry and you game me food to eat....' |