Michael Jackson: Was he Innocent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No.

I was inclined to believe that he might be, until I saw the documentary with two of the accusers giving their stories. I believed them. I'm a trial attorney, so I consider myself to be above par at sussing out lies, especially of this type. And like I said, I believed them. But with that said, none of us will ever know for sure.

+1 I suspected he was guilty but wasn’t sure until I saw the documentary. I’m really surprised it’s no longer available but there’s a thread on it here that you can read everyone’s reactions.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/780566.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No.

I was inclined to believe that he might be, until I saw the documentary with two of the accusers giving their stories. I believed them. I'm a trial attorney, so I consider myself to be above par at sussing out lies, especially of this type. And like I said, I believed them. But with that said, none of us will ever know for sure.

+1 I suspected he was guilty but wasn’t sure until I saw the documentary. I’m really surprised it’s no longer available but there’s a thread on it here that you can read everyone’s reactions.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/780566.page

We also have this discussion:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1223739.page

We have litigated this on DCUM many times.

[Anonymous]

The kid that settled in first allegation left US, has nothing to do with his parents and wouldn’t come back for second trial. He claims his parents made him lie about Michael.

[Anonymous]

As an adult who works with kids I believe he had uncomfortable boundaries with kids and likely grooming behavior. I don’t think it ever crossed into actual sexual activity.

[Anonymous]

With all the accusations from multiple families no criminal conviction ever occurred. Many field civil suits and settled with money. Only one case went to a full criminal trial, and he was acquitted.

He didn't follow social norms and rules due to his own lack of a child, but I'm still uncertain about believing all the allegations. Too many links to people who were trying to get to his money including music executives.

[Anonymous]

I think MK felt like a child himself, which perhaps impacted his boundaries with kids. He did not perceive himself as powerful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think MK felt like a child himself, which perhaps impacted his boundaries with kids. He did not perceive himself as powerful.

But it's not a man to show his P to kids such that they can describe it in detail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With all the accusations from multiple families no criminal conviction ever occurred. Many field civil suits and settled with money. Only one case went to a full criminal trial, and he was acquitted.

He didn't follow social norms and rules due to his own lack of a child, but I'm still uncertain about believing all the allegations. Too many links to people who were trying to get to his money including music executives.

Idk, people always say this and while they have a point, it's kinda half baked. The other Jackson siblings had the same effed up childhood, and while some of them are eccentric for sure (Jermaine and LaToya, looking at you), none of them have had allegations of pedophilia. Michael wasn't even the youngest, Randy and Janet were, so it's not like he was the baby who bore the brunt of it.

I do think there's some validity to the fact that a messed up childhood will cause you to be a weird, childlike adult as a coping mechanism but I don't know that it's just "He was kinda quirky due to a rough childhood." Otherwise his siblings would be in similar situations and they just weren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all the accusations from multiple families no criminal conviction ever occurred. Many field civil suits and settled with money. Only one case went to a full criminal trial, and he was acquitted.

He didn't follow social norms and rules due to his own lack of a child, but I'm still uncertain about believing all the allegations. Too many links to people who were trying to get to his money including music executives.

Idk, people always say this and while they have a point, it's kinda half baked. The other Jackson siblings had the same effed up childhood, and while some of them are eccentric for sure (Jermaine and LaToya, looking at you), none of them have had allegations of pedophilia. Michael wasn't even the youngest, Randy and Janet were, so it's not like he was the baby who bore the brunt of it.

I do think there's some validity to the fact that a messed up childhood will cause you to be a weird, childlike adult as a coping mechanism but I don't know that it's just "He was kinda quirky due to a rough childhood." Otherwise his siblings would be in similar situations and they just weren't.

The other siblings were not nearly as successful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m inclined to believe so. Being an oddball doesn’t make you a predator.

Guilty af. If you're MJ superfan, those folks are completely biased on the subject.

Between the lawsuits, documentaries, an witnesses. . . He may not have been a rapist but he was def a pedo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people I know seem utterly convinced of his guilt but I have to say I’m persuaded otherwise by Macauley Culkin’s defense of him. Macauley DGAF and would have no reason to lie.

I have seen Corey Feldman speak about him and he also sounded convincing at the time. At other times Feldman has said things must have happened. This kind of ambiguity is not uncommon in the accounts of child survivors.

I think Jackson used celebrity kids the way Larry Nassar used parents—who were often in the room when he was assaulting their daughters. He may not have touched them (or all of them), and he used their presence to create a veneer of propriety over outrageous behavior.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jackson offended against children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all the accusations from multiple families no criminal conviction ever occurred. Many field civil suits and settled with money. Only one case went to a full criminal trial, and he was acquitted.

He didn't follow social norms and rules due to his own lack of a child, but I'm still uncertain about believing all the allegations. Too many links to people who were trying to get to his money including music executives.

Idk, people always say this and while they have a point, it's kinda half baked. The other Jackson siblings had the same effed up childhood, and while some of them are eccentric for sure (Jermaine and LaToya, looking at you), none of them have had allegations of pedophilia. Michael wasn't even the youngest, Randy and Janet were, so it's not like he was the baby who bore the brunt of it.

I do think there's some validity to the fact that a messed up childhood will cause you to be a weird, childlike adult as a coping mechanism but I don't know that it's just "He was kinda quirky due to a rough childhood." Otherwise his siblings would be in similar situations and they just weren't.

So untrue that if one is messed up so would be the other siblings. I was treated very differently by my mom than my other siblings. Even my dad said she was harder on me than the others. I know she loved me but never sure she liked me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m inclined to believe so. Being an oddball doesn’t make you a predator.

Guilty af. If you're MJ superfan, those folks are completely biased on the subject.

Between the lawsuits, documentaries, an witnesses. . . He may not have been a rapist but he was def a pedo.

Yeah, as someone who grew up kind of past MJ's prime, all the movie-induced revival of his the last couple of weeks has taught me is his fans think he can do no wrong. Literally always a victim, this guy.

And I don't know if he truly abused kids or not, but a lot of things he clearly brought on himself. Someone who has eight year old boys sleep in bed with him and winds up with child sex abuse charges is not a victim of a conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all the accusations from multiple families no criminal conviction ever occurred. Many field civil suits and settled with money. Only one case went to a full criminal trial, and he was acquitted.

He didn't follow social norms and rules due to his own lack of a child, but I'm still uncertain about believing all the allegations. Too many links to people who were trying to get to his money including music executives.

Idk, people always say this and while they have a point, it's kinda half baked. The other Jackson siblings had the same effed up childhood, and while some of them are eccentric for sure (Jermaine and LaToya, looking at you), none of them have had allegations of pedophilia. Michael wasn't even the youngest, Randy and Janet were, so it's not like he was the baby who bore the brunt of it.

I do think there's some validity to the fact that a messed up childhood will cause you to be a weird, childlike adult as a coping mechanism but I don't know that it's just "He was kinda quirky due to a rough childhood." Otherwise his siblings would be in similar situations and they just weren't.

So untrue that if one is messed up so would be the other siblings. I was treated very differently by my mom than my other siblings. Even my dad said she was harder on me than the others. I know she loved me but never sure she liked me.

DP I get that, but the argument isn't that he was the way he was because he was the scapegoated child. The argument is always that he was the way he was because of childhood celebrity. Which his brothers also experienced and yet none of them caught sex abuse charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m inclined to believe so. Being an oddball doesn’t make you a predator.

Guilty af. If you're MJ superfan, those folks are completely biased on the subject.

Between the lawsuits, documentaries, an witnesses. . . He may not have been a rapist but he was def a pedo.

Would any of these people defending him let their own kids have a sleepover with an adult man who wast just very innocent and child like? Sleep in the same bed? Drink special juice?