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DCUM is a study in how mean women can be to each other. They literally just sit on their phones trying to cause emotional damage to other people.
I think that overall, guys simply use words to communicate and convey messages. Women seem to want to comminicate feelings. Like, they use to words to make you feel an emotion that they feel. Others want to do mean sh*t to you but they don’t want you to know because they don’t want others to know how awful they are and they don’t want direct conflict. Its like asymmetrical emotional warfare. Women can be wonderful too, of course. |
OP sounds like the person you are describing. |
And, she is the only one serving time. Fancy that. 🤔 |
Well, Epstein would be serving more time if he hadn't died and Ghislane was his closest conspirator. |
Everyone can be awful, including those who have been abused and those who have been entitled and spoiled. My 8th grader came home with a story of girls in her grade bullying a 6th grade boy minding his own business. Still, I get the lashing out when members of a group hurt you (whites, women, the poor, the wealthy, cops, homeless, teenage boys, all men, all Americans...). I'm guilty of it too and have often noticed awful toxic relationships between sisters so while I'm thankful I don't have one, I need to remember there are likely just as many close sisters who don't hurt and shame each other. |
I have no doubt things are tense and ruthless there, I've met many professionals I would not want to work with as their norms are shocking. Many men are also catty, to a scary degree. |
I think you have to be ruthless to succeed above a certain level in the corporate world. I’ve never met a CEO of a larger company that doesn’t have some level of ruthlessness. |
Well, I tend to think the pimps are worse than the johns so this seems right. |
| You have to find the right women. Some are awful, catty, backstabbing and out for their own gain. |
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I have worked in all types of work environments and I find duplicitous backstabbing behaviors pretty evenly distributed. Men are actually much better at it frankly.
There is certain type of toxicity that can come from primarily female environments but there are just as many male versions of it. So all things held equal it’s about even but in different ways. Although given that women are like 99x less likely to assault, rape, or murder me then I can handle some petty comments. |
yep, and the law generally agrees with you. And the pimps were Ghislane and Epstein (who would have done more time than her had he not killed himself). |
My best bosses have been women too, though I’ve had great male bosses. My worst bosses were all men save one. My female and male friends are all great, but I have good instincts when it comes to people and keep my circle small. I agree with you that misogyny drives a lot of the narrative that all women bosses are backstabbing manipulators, same way that there is a myth that girl teens are always more difficult than boys. |
My ex-husband’s therapist did that. And she encouraged an affair. |
+1 this this this. It's wild. Would love to read some actual sociological literature on this. Not only are there geographic, economic, educational, and political fractures between white women, but also huge age-based ones - I think it's because we've been gradually migrating out of the "just find a husband to support you!" messaging years (seeing now that ... that's not really a viable plan) and there are also roiling intergenerational tensions as well |
Men can be awful, but I think one of the reasons women notice/complain about the behavior of other women in the office more these days is because men actually behave so much better than they once did. Even compared to 10-15 years ago, men have really gotten the message that you need to be respectful and non-discriminatory towards women. So even men who might be inclined to be catty or gossipy seem to avoid it, at least not in a way that targets women in the office. But women haven't been sent this message, and as a result I think they feel more freedom to be awful to other women in the office. So in 2026, as a woman in a professional role, if you're going to have a really negative experience with a coworker, I think it's more likely to be another woman. Just because the men have had it trained out of them. |